The UFO Iconoclast(s)

Wednesday, January 24, 2007

Wikileaks and UFOs

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UFO investigators, grasping at straws to remain (or become) relevant might get a chance with the new Wikileaks momentum.

Wikileaks, as outlined by Scott Bradner in Network World [Page 41, 1/22/07], is a collaboration that provides an “uncensorable Wikipedia for untraceable mass document-leaking and analysis.”

The broadside, supported by 1.2 million documents already, will “avoid legal attacks, at least in the West, by initially focusing on ‘non-Western authoritarian regimes” Bradner writes.

Bradner’s colleague at Network World, Paul McNamara, sees Wikileaks as a horrible idea [Page 42, same issue] because it will allow “Chinese dissident[s and] the disgruntled/recently fired nincompoop” to post material anonymously, without anyone checking the veracity of their contribution.

For ufologists, that lonely, usually inept group of investigators, the idea that someone in government, abroad or here, eventually, might disclose the cover-up about UFOs that they contend is rampant, and can do so anonymously, should come as heaven-sent, now that UFOs have been put on the backburner for almost every normal person in the United States, despite the recent O’Hare “sighting.”

In the UFO community, any material, no matter how bizarre or imaginary, is grist for study, and ongoing debate(s). The subject matter, UFOs, doesn’t rely on truth-seeking as such; it subsists on the basis of rumor and the scantiest information extant, no matter how loony that information is.

Wikileaks, like Wikipedia, is ideal for prolonging the idea that UFOs have been captured and some governments of the world have kept that information to themselves.

Maybe someone, somewhere, will disclose the documents that prove, once and for all, that the mythology of alien visitation and their downed flying saucers are facts held in abeyance by those in power, for nefarious (or other arcane) reasons.

We bet the UFO crowd will go gaga once they hear about this new Wiki thrust. They need something, anything, to keep their delusion alive.

26 Comments:

  • Maybe you should some actually research before you claim that all UFO sighting are dillusions.

    Go to www.narcap.com

    The primary researcher Dr. Richard F. Haines is an ex-NASA scientist that started researching sightings while he was still working for NASA. He started off with notion that sighting were probably all caused by some sort of perceptual illusions. However he soon founds that some of his cases could be explained in any prosaic way. He has studied many cases that have multiple lines of evidence radar, visual, multiple independ witnesses, control tower transcripts etc. Yes there is a lotof tabloid crap out there. There are also people that sell fake remedies for disease, but you don't dismiss the entire medical profession because of that. There a few genuine scientists looking into the phenomenon you just have to be careful about your sources.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Friday, April 09, 2010  

  • I wouldn't worry - the sort of viewpoint you've just seen there is now the minority view.

    A few decades back scientists were considered kooks for daring to suggest "life" existed outside of the Geostation but these days it's just the opposite... any scientist suggesting the universe is dead apart from us would be laughed away from the water cooler at coffee break.

    By Blogger Exouk, at Tuesday, June 08, 2010  

  • Ex...

    A little late to the party/post, right?

    The Universe is God, is it not?

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, June 08, 2010  

  • When I read such ignorant comments on the UFO issue and the researchers that have worked very hard to resolve that issue, it is easy to get angry at the writer. But the real culprit is, of course, the U. S. government's imposed truth embargo. This writer has bought into the government's intellectual ghettoization of UFOlogy and the truth embargo. In a sense he is a victim of it. So what is called for is empathy, not opprobrium. My condolences.

    By Blogger StephenBassett, at Sunday, June 27, 2010  

  • Mr. Bassett, et al.

    Because Wikileaks is back in the news, we've reduxed this post to the front of this blog.

    Max (for the RRRGroup)

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, June 27, 2010  

  • Fact of the matter is the RRRgroup is an occultist group with ties with the US govt and are trying to aid the US govt in covering up many actualities.

    RRRGroup claims that the universe is god. I would argue that their is more than one universe so how do you explain that? Is every universe it's own god or does ours rule over the many.

    I being an occultist as well am not downing you for being an occultist but rather am annoyed at your working side by side with the govt to spread lies and promote your own "Intergalactic Separatist" Movement when their are clearly older, more ingenuous races out there. Fact of the matter is we are just now catching up to the Egyptians, which it is now realized that the pyramids were built to create microwave energy and shoot it off into space once 2 chambers where open and two chemicals produced hydrogen.

    Reclaim The Planet.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Thursday, July 08, 2010  

  • Anon...

    Our ties to the government are tangential at best.

    (Google has exemplified our connection a bit more than it is.)

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, July 08, 2010  

  • Hey RRR Group,
    I'm really just curious about your feelings about UFO's or at least the possibility that there is intelligent life out there. I agree whole-heartedly that the universe (or multiverse) is God. I respect all belief systems as well since they are also a part of our universe. Anyway, I consider myself a UFOlogist in my spare time and I was baffled that a seemingly intelligent person or group of persons would use language like 'inept' when speaking of people who are certain that something going on regarding UFO's and are digging for the truth despite illegal operations such as those taking place at Area 51 and being finance with your tax dollars. By the way, I have a beautiful wife, kids, house, a doctorate, a Hummer, and I happen to be one of many, many, poor unfortunate, inept bastards who watched a flying saucer above my backyard (up close, in broad daylight) for so long that I actually got bored. It was very alien (liquidy multi-colored light oozing around the lower section, etc.) and I don't care who believes me - I just want to know the 'people' who built it. The most frustrating part of NOT KNOWING the whole truth is knowing that someone DOES now the whole truth and won't share it despite the fact that the people have a right to know. It is now 2010 (and your story is much older) but when I read your comment, I was blown away by blatent lack of respect.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Tuesday, July 27, 2010  

  • Anon:

    I think our disrespect is blatant, not blatent.

    But that aside, some of us here have seen UFOs, and believe they are intruders from elsewhere.

    What that elsewhere is exactly, we're completely baffled about.

    We do disrespect the whole ufology panoply.

    The UFO gang is an ignorant lot, pretty much, and can be dismissed as asses.

    As for WikiLeaks, we're supporters. except when disclosure jeopardizes individual soldiers.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, July 27, 2010  

  • RR, I am glad you put in your last post that some of you have seen UFOs. I sat on Dinner Plain (Vic/Aust) one night and watched 4 UFOs along with 2 friends. Is it a Govt conspiracy? I dont think so. After all what sentient life form would want to deal with one of our worlds Governments?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Sunday, August 01, 2010  

  • Yes, Anon, what,sentient race would, indeed, deal with any government of this Earth?

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, August 01, 2010  

  • Hi RRR,
    Well I am another UFOlogist with a bachelors degree in information systems, and I we do not need misinformation campaigns we need to get to the bottom of whatever these things are. Please feel free to visit my blog http://mysite.verizon.net/reswk1n and explain what I and 10 other people saw please, I beg you. It has haunted me for 20 years.
    Misinformation has lead to chaos in the study of craft that we do not understand, and it makes me absolutely furious.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Monday, August 02, 2010  

  • Anon:

    You can see my stance (and the RRRGroup's stance) on UFOs in other postings here and at our RRRGRoup blog:

    http://rrrgroup.blogspot.com

    We'd like a denouement to the UFO mystery, just as you do.

    If WikiLeaks is the mechanism by which that happens, we're all for it.

    Meanwhile, we'll coast along, hoping that some brilliant person or persons give us the solution to the phenomenon, and sooner than later.

    (See my comment about Roswell in the current posting here, above, by Tony Bragalia.)

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, August 02, 2010  

  • I've always found it very curious, and to be perfectly honest, a bit quaint whenever I see this type of contempt towards the "phenomenon" of UFO's and those who study them. It's as if the progenitors of it have, for the first time human history, PROVEN a negative. And it's this such insistence on this negative that is proof of the scientific reliability of these types of people; certain of the truth they refuse to investigate, and certain of the lunacy of those who do. And no matter where it comes from, be it a politician from the 50's, or members of today's media, I'm always taken aback by the level of intellectual arrogance exhibited by such intellectually impotent people. Incurious, mentally undisciplined, and at best, factually stagnant, and at worst (and most likely) factually blind.

    It is one of my greatest desires in life to someday witness a person, like the one(s) who wrote this article or any who shares these opinions, tell an astronaut, or a pilot, or a marine (especially), or a general, or a veteran, or a scientist, that they didn't witness what they said they witnessed, they didn't work on what they said they worked on, that that event or events which has come to shape and change their beliefs and thoughts, didn't happen. Perhaps the posters of this article haven't been fortunate enough to have known the people that I've known, or to have seen some of the things that I consider myself very fortuitous to have seen, but that is no excuse for veiling ignorance with skepticism, and hiding behind that pathetic mirage of the "lonely, usually inept group of investigators" that the professionally nescient like to focus on. The idea that the fringe of UFOlogy define and speak for its substance (or the facts for that matter) is more ridiculous than equating Fox News as speaking for all of the media, or the Tea Party for all of America. It is assumed in this article that all of those who study or take interest in the subject are also clamoring for disclosure. As with every other
    assumption in this article, that is also wrong. I, like others that I know, do not want disclosure. Whatever position the Government, or entities within the Government have or have not taken, the evidence that such actions could be devastating and irreparable are overwhelming. (cont'd)

    By Anonymous E7LHM, at Thursday, August 12, 2010  

  • Also incorrect is the assumption that just because one may post documents anonymously on Wikileaks that doing so is now easier. It is not. And the assumption that Wikileaks is the only, or even one of the only places to post things anonymously, is, also like the rest of the article, wrong. And just because one may post something incognito, doesn't mean the acquiescence of such things is. Since it's obvious that no one who took part in the posting of this article has ever even applied for a government clearance much less used one, or just as likely, even known anyone who has, let me tell you that NOTHING is done anonymously when it comes to high defense secrets. Nothing. Not at home, not at your nephew's ball game, not in the shower, not on prepaid cell phones you decided to buy at the last minute at a gas station two states away. If you see a document, it's because you were told to, and that document is somebody's responsibility. And EXACTLY what you do with seeing that document and the knowledge therein is also their responsibility. If that knowledge which you are responsible for is seen outside of where it's supposed to be, you know the exact people who had privilege of that data. One doesn't reach that position in their career, just to flush it all down the drain. The facts are out there, and each time a benchmark for evidence is put forth by alleged skeptics and cleared, they move the bar in a different direction. "If there are UFO's, why haven't pilots, astronauts, military personnel, etc. come out and talked about it?" They have, in more numbers and in greater qualifications than one could have ever realistically imagined 20 years ago. "If UFO's are real, then why is there no physical evidence of any of them?! Surely they would have left SOMETHING?!" In spite of the extreme unlikelihood of them doing so, they have. How often have any of you come across the remains of planes or other aeronautical debris? Do you still believe in airplanes? Should a tribesman in the amazon who has never seen one believe in them? Truth is not for those who can't or won't see it, but for those who are willing and capable. For some, there is no purpose in knowing, and so they choose not to, and for this very specific subject, that is exactly the way it needs to be.

    This is not a discipline for the fringe, on either side, and there is no place for coarse ignorance or cerebral pomposity in the search for truth, whatever it may be. Perhaps it's a good thing the posters of this article are NOT involved in these pursuits after all...

    By Anonymous E7LHM, at Friday, August 13, 2010  

  • I know for a fact that there are aliens, I have latent memories of meeting them. They have underground bases on Earth which they enter by using a dimensional shift whilst flying in their craft. They have been here for many years, some aliens have had surgery to make them look human which allows them to live amongst humans. The most incredible thing of all though is the fact that the aliens can perform time travel, but time travel has certain risks which are carefully monitored; for instance a planet which has a lot of time travel disturbance, will develop bad weather. During time travel objects do not slowly materialize or appear, instead they appear instantly. Full human knowledge about aliens will take place in about 170 years time, until then we can only collect as much data as we can, I have a website which is http://aliendiscoveries.blogspot.com

    Thanks for reading, my name is Philip John Edwards.

    By Blogger Philip John Edwards, at Friday, August 20, 2010  

  • Do we accept a Fort Wayne blogger as having the last word on UFO "delusion" or do we accept the evidence and testimony of countless Air Force personnel, Astronauts, governments, documentation from every level of intelligence, law enforcement, and the military who (according to FT. Wayne's finest minds), appear to be delusional as well? Maybe all of those NASA tapes were all fake as well as the release of the hours of tape from Edwards AFB in '65? I could mention perhaps thousands of other sources of evidence but I could never convince a skeptic or any other UFO playa haters!

    By Blogger Kmandingo, at Friday, October 22, 2010  

  • Very interesting i run a UFO & ALIEN social network at http://www.niternat.com do you mind if we cover this article on my site ?

    By Blogger niternat, at Sunday, February 13, 2011  

  • Niternat:

    Feel free to use the posting.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, February 13, 2011  

  • Buuuullshiiiit!

    By Blogger Kalil, at Sunday, March 13, 2011  

  • Brilliant rejoinder Kalil...

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, March 13, 2011  

  • I have some questions not inquiring on UFO's really, but your intentions. Why try to smear something so unimportant in the grand scheme of everything, you could be putting your ideas together with this RRR Group to solve better mysteries, but here you are playing mind games with anyone who will take the bait. Well here I am baited. Your move...

    By Blogger Matthew, at Sunday, April 24, 2011  

  • Matthew...

    Jump to the current 2011 postings to bait people here.

    Your views are necessary to an open, sensible debate.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, April 24, 2011  

  • I just want to know everything not be kept secrets too

    By Blogger .., at Wednesday, January 11, 2012  

  • no se trata de mis colegas y los orígenes del lenguaje; companhado tiene los esfoços todos colaboladeres: el militar y muinto sabe bien que decir la verdad de los OVNIs arespeitos: Bueno, yo voy a dar los caminos de esta misterios entereça disvendar, si muinto tener curiozidade.os y secretos militares en Europa y Estados Unidos. y un asunto de seguridad nacional, que ustedes saben que este fenómeno en todo el mundo áfrica México Brasil donde muintos corrupción Tengo contactos, sé que estos seres están impidiendo nosotros antes nos enseñará cómo hacer fuego, las plantas, criar animales, saber que cuando se trabaja en el centro de la tierra para que ella no enfriar el magma, y unas tierras a otras dimensiones pasagem muinto importante para ellos, que utilizan los enegia plasmática o espíritus de los muertos en esta tierra atimosfera

    By Blogger maxbatista, at Monday, December 24, 2012  

  • All you need to know about the UFO phen and the great work done by Dr S. Greer.
    http://siriusdisclosure.com/

    By Blogger SioC5, at Tuesday, May 21, 2013  

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