UFO Conjecture(s)

Monday, April 02, 2007

Death of a UFO species?

A semi-popular blog has a piece about angels and UFOs (a Biblical slant).

The author suggests that UFOs (or their occupants) are manifestations of Satan or the Satan archetype – Fallen Angels. (We were hard-put to follow the hypothesis.)

The Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) does have several accounts of angels and God communing with human beings.

One of the more interesting meetings between angels, maybe even God, Himself, appears in Genesis 18, Chapters 1-15, where Abraham sups with three angels and The Lord.


Other angelic visitations appear in Genesis 21, 1-18; 3 Kings 19, 5; Daniel 6, 22; Tobias 6, 1-9; et cetera.

Early visitations of the gods, angels, and the Hebrew Yahweh, plus the angels of the Qur’an (The Koran) -- Surat at-Takwir, 19; Surah Ghafir, 15); Surat an-Najm, 4-6; Surah Maryam, 17-21; et cetera -- bespoke of the beauty (androgyny even) of the visitors.


Oannes is mentioned in Sumerian clay tablets, and the Egyptians had a panoply of gods they worshipped, but none had the configured physiognomy of the angels and God in the Hebrew texts, nor did they appear in the way that the messengers of the Hebrews or Assyrians did – in chariots of fire or suddenly, with an aura of light and a body that was not different from those of their human hosts.


An angel was said to have released the Apostle Peter from jail (Acts of the Apostles 12. 6-10) but that’s about it for the Biblical angels


The angels disappeared and God disappeared.

UFOs reappeared, sporadically. Constantine the Great saw one in 312 A.D. And various chronicles mentioned sightings of flying somethings-or-another right up into the modern era.

But no mention of angels come into the accounts, unless one accepts Joseph Smith’s Moroni as a bona fide visitation.

The AmerIndian tribes of the Yucatan, Middle and South America also have records of visitations by gods from the air, up until those empires were decimated by some catastrophe or the Spanish. Angels, however, don’t factor in to those renderings either.

Historical Chinese, Japanese, and sub-continent (mostly from India) records also speak of sky visitors, but the visitors are flying machines rather than beings.

Then in the 1950s, a spate of tales about flying saucer provide angelic-like descriptions of their pilots and occupants: Adamski, Fry, Angelucci, et al.


But eventually a raft of encounters with dwarfish beings, disembarking from saucer-like craft, took hold and filled the UFO literature until shortly after 1961 when Betty and Barney Hill told of an abduction by small, gray beings, with large eyes, and little else they could call human.

The beauty of the early historical visitors, the “angels,” was totally gone.

Reptilian creatures, huge, furry or robotic monsters became part of the UFO fabric, but the small, gray or colorless creatures were prevalent, and ubiquitous.


What happened?

Did the angelic visitors return to their “heavenly abode”? Were their initial visits only salutary and temporary? Or were they killed off by the species that now inhabits UFO lore, and flying saucers?

No matter what happened, the angels of old have been supplanted by the passionless, oddly morphed creatures that inhabit the UFO myth today.


And human beings, mostly the credulous sort, should be wary of encountering those who replaced the benefactors that showed up several thousand years ago, to help human beings, not to perform quasi-autopsies on them.



  • This odd theory completely discounts the concept of God's Holy Fool, which among the places it is evidenced most famously, is in Tarot Cards. This image is from the vantage point of skeptics regarding an apparently invisible world of Heavenly Hosts out of reach of our sensate and empirical grasp. The Holy Fool walks off the empirical cliff. Not only is this literalism of innovated theology evidence of a Cargo Cult mentality, it also a form of fundamentalism, a variant of empirical religion dependant on stage props. The authors of this theory should read Ibn al Arabi's commentary on the discernment between incomparibility and similarity. Our alien brethren, should they exist, will be amused and disheartened on the reliance of cultural cliches drawn out of an antiquated filing system of conceptual reality. It also does angels as well a complete disservice in an esoteric and spiritual sense...this is just another brick in the Tower of Babel. As the Sufi's say..a Light without heat or smoke...and it's not an incandescent bulb. Duh...The relationship between Our Lord and ourselves is reciprocal, not controlled by intermediaries flying advanced craft and entering stage right for cameo appearances. Obviously these theorists like most folks...are illiterate in comparitive religion and this is a pathetic stretch of reductionism at it's worst. Mental associations and identifications based on a paucity of conceptualising do not a reality make. They are called dreams.

    By Anonymous Bruce Duensing, at Monday, April 02, 2007  

  • Bruce:

    While your comments are equally abstruse and interesting, they also miss our point.

    The episodes we presented are those that had tangibility.

    That is, angels and God appeared, like UFOs today, in physical form, and should be treated as material objects or beings.

    The invisible world of "Heavenly Hosts" are outside our purview.

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, April 02, 2007  

  • Since none of us were physically present to witness the alleged tangibility of Angels and Gods, I think you are in error of faulty soteriology.
    I think you are misidentifying a state or station of cognition as distinct from a locus of manifestation. In other words, if no one is in the forest, does the tree make a sound when it falls? In other words, perception is not created equal nor is the end result in comprehension of symbolic conceptualization to convey several layers of meaning, each appropriate to the level of understanding that is accordingly appropriate to the reader. I will be gald to provide an example of this. Take Jacobs Ladder. Angels ascending and descending a ladder to heaven. Angels simply put represent intermediaries between heaven and Earth. Were they literally envisioned this way on a gigantic ladder? Perhaps it is representitive of physics, the transformation and intermediate stages or rungs of transforming and storing of energy between our planet and the sun. Solar activity to radiant energy, down the ladder to air, to water, to soil, to crystal to rock to metal..and then up again..and up the ladder. to microorganisms to plants, to invertibrates to vertbrates to us. So when you hear that old spiritual, we are climbing Jacobs ladder very literally and tangibly but not one complete with rungs etc. I hope this clarifys my meaning. Perhaps not.

    By Anonymous Bruce Duensing, at Monday, April 02, 2007  

  • Bruce:

    We understand what you're saying, and you are correct about the perception of some events in the Hebrew texts; i.e., Jacobs ladder.

    But we tried to confine ourselves to the texts that seem to indicate a reality, not a dream or special state of mind.

    (We accept that the Hebrew writers were telling the truth of things.)

    For example, one episode can't be read as an amorphous, intangible event, and the episode can be found in Exodus 4; 24 where God (the Lord) came upon Moses to kill him, but was deterred by Moses' wife, Sepphora, who used her son's foreskin. God let Moses go.

    The implications of the text are many, but it's the tangibility of the episode, like that with Abraham and the angels/God: Abraham actually dined with the visitors, unless the Biblical writer totally misunderstood the episode, which would cause one to have to throw out everything written in the Bible -- because the reporters were seriously flawed.

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, April 02, 2007  

  • My response to your considerate reply is simple. Remember the movie "Close Encounters of The Third Kind?" Remember the hapless electrician who had a inexplicable vision of Devils Tower? Remember he found out, much to his surprise that there were many others?
    What if a person were given a more complex vision, a symbolic message? Each has a vision of abducted by humanoid who have black inpenetrable eyes that are blind, who lead them without or not requiring the participation of his or her will to "do as I say" to be lead into a surgical room, and probed and exploited at the quasi humanoids will, and are told they are the subjects of a genetic experiment. This is not an actual "experience" but more accurately "a vision"ike that of the hapless electrician, implanted in a mirror of our situation reflecting in a harsh unforgetable manner, our current and future genetic experimentation in which a warning is very viserally placed and meant to be disseminated as it has.. The first was the bringing of a process that occurs on the surface of the sun and we brought it to Earth to transform living material to dead organic manner. The second is changing the very fabric of our physical manifestation with a similar sense of we are technicallty capable of achieving this but have no sense, in a similar manner, the ramifications of the road we are beginning to travel down.A human\animal hybrid...a slave race. Animal human hybrids created to harvest their organs etc. Where do you think all these cattle mutilations are leading to? We in the form of (governmental\ commercial) technological experimentation done in secret research labs are the covert experimenters my dear freinds. What will these hybrids bring to us in the from of mutated diseases or other results too terrible to discuss now? We are being given a very clear direct warning. No one can see the forest for the trees. So...in my opinion you are chasing your well intentioned exploration up the wrong road. I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that this is real in my sense of the word, but perhaps not yours. You are confusing a warning of our allies to stop this experimentation, with symbolic language of years past directed at a audience of their time, not ours.

    By Anonymous Bruce Duening, at Monday, April 02, 2007  

  • Bruce:

    It seems to us that the warnings you posit to the (UFO) messengers is a bit harsh, or obfuscatory: they are more cryptic than they need to be, and they are presented via (abducted) persons who have no cachet with the rest of us -- the hoi polloi, or common folk who are without credentials of any significant kind.

    The ploy you suggest is possible, we grant you that, but it is so far removed from logic and common sense, that one might conclude the (UFO) abductors, the new messengers, are insane.

    But that for another time and discussion.

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, April 02, 2007  

  • You may have missed my point, the abductions are simply a form of directed lucid dream that is symbolic, not actual.You refer to them as if they are literal abductions where there is no evidence to support that as far as I am aware. I am somewhat surprised that you referred to these folks in terms of a implication of their own sense of superiority. If you speak to them, they wish it never happened or would just go away. As far as insanity is concerned, a semi permanent state of pathological warfare, detonation of nuclear weapons, the concentration camps, the burning of heretics, enviromental devastation, toxic pollution...need I say more..I think it is we, not they, who are insane and use circular logic to rationalize our effective behaviors. As a ploy, it gives us only an awareness. They will not solve our problems for us. I would respectfully like to hear what or whom you define as an angel...I am not sure your thesis is properly understood by me.

    By Anonymous Bruce Duensing, at Monday, April 02, 2007  

  • Bruce:

    Yes, we understand that abductions may involve symbolism meant to push human beings forward (or backward?).

    But, while we see abductions as possible mental aberrations or physiological disturbances, for the sake of argument, we will accept that the abductions may, in fact, be real.

    And if they are, those who are abducting behave irrationally, in an insane way.

    Of course human beings have no reason to cast stones (as you note), but our insanities don't excuse the insanities of alien visitors.

    That aside, angels once intervened on behalf of humankind, even the Fallen Angels, Lucifer's minions, worked to improve the human lot, as exemplified in the opening of Genesis and such mythologies as that of Prometheus.

    Angels were beneficial, or meant to be, but they (angels) have disappeared, along with God, and all we have now are the mythical UFO entities or actual malevolent alien (extraterrestrial) visitors (or beings from time or even parallel universes).

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, April 02, 2007  

  • As a fellow iconoclast,your editorial viewpoint appears to have drawn some premature conclusions about God and Angels from a highly personal point of view which I respect. However, I beg to disagree which of course, as iconoclasts I suppose this is both expected and par. From an also highly personal point of view, I hope you have occasion to have your current paradigm transformed, and realize the even when the sun goes down over the horizon and it's dark that this does not necessarily mean the sun has gone away. Angels still watch over us and show up in a variety of guises to remind us of the source of the light for both heaven and earth is far from extinquished, although we live in poverty needing all in dependance from the natural world, don't confuse this from whence we came. There may be similarities between races who can only talk past each other but we share a common source who is incomparible. The confusion is our own, both yours and mine..bewilderment is a natural state. You have a great website.Don't believe otherwise.

    By Anonymous Bruce Duensing, at Monday, April 02, 2007  

  • Thank you, Bruce.....

    You might check out our resurrected blog -- just getting renewed:


    As for angels watching over us, we need something tangible to convince us -- something more than coincidence and hope.

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, April 03, 2007  

  • One final post..From The Book of Enoch..
    "And drew nigh to a spacious habitation built also with stones of crystal. Its walls too, as well as pavement, were formed with stones of crystal, and crystal likewise was the ground. Its roof had the appearance of agitated stars and flashes of lightning; and among them were cherubim of fire in a stormy sky. (21) A flame burned around its walls; and its portal blazed with fire. When I entered into this dwelling, it was hot as fire and cold as ice. No trace of delight or of life was there. Terror overwhelmed me, and a fearful shaking seized me."

    The Watchers. If you want to thread what is happening now to the remote past..if you have not read it, I think you would agree, its required reading.Best Regards.

    By Anonymous Bruce Duensing, at Tuesday, April 03, 2007  

  • Bruce:

    The Book of Enoch is particularly fascinating, as are many of the non-canonical writings, which we've gathered here in several tomes.

    One would only wish that such events were occuring today.

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, April 03, 2007  

  • Angels and Aliens are two seperate entities. All of the Angel sightings that I have read or heard about all have the same characteristics. For example they look like a regular person except something is different about them that the witness can't figure out. The witness is never frightened of them and they feel a sense of peace and trust when they are around them. When an angel appears to someone it is usually to help or guide that person. There are many people alive today that has come in contact with an Angel. Everyone knows what an alien looks like and is not easily confused with an Angel. But I do not doubt that maybe in the past when Aliens came to visit they let people believe that they were a God or an angel because it would help give them power over the person they encountered. But now if you compared the stories of alien encounters where the abductee was forced to have sex to the legends of Incubi and Succubi seducing people in the middle of the night then you might have something of legend that Aliens have replaced. In the old days Aliens were known as "The Watchers" or better yet Demons.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Wednesday, April 04, 2007  

  • Agathos Daimon or Agathodaemon are the 'good' ones.

    Cacodaemons are the 'bad/evil' ones.

    By Blogger Parakletos, at Tuesday, December 20, 2011  

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