UFO Conjecture(s)

Friday, September 28, 2007

UFO Disinformation Agents?

History is replete with double agents and Machiavellian mischief-makers, so why would ufology be devoid of similar practitioners of the art of deception?

Yes, ufology is steeped in conspiracy hypotheses, and always has been.

But lately the topic of disinformation agents is rampant, ubiquitous in the UFO community.

So, let us suggest some possibilities that UFO mavens would do well to consider, perhaps...

What if Stanton Friedman, a former government lackey, was recruited to take ufologists to Roswell and the MJ-12 scenarios to keep them from the real UFO truth?

Friedman’s zeal for Roswell and MJ-12 is way out of proportion to the whole UFO panoply, and his obsession with those two interrelated UFO episodes is just a bit too lopsided for a person who seeks the truth, the real truth, about the UFO mystery.

And then there is Richard Hall, a guy affiliated with UFOs and government for decades; a man who chastises as often as he can anyone who proposes alternative theories about the UFO enigma, he also zeroing in sightings and incidents that are destined to unfocus attention on intriguing elements of the whole UFO riddle.

Kevin Randle, who has been pro and con about Roswell, has muddied the waters for years with his “indecisiveness” – and he’s a member of the U.S. military.

Jerome Clark has the patina of an objective UFO researcher but he, like Hall, goes after alternative UFO hypotheses just as rabidly as debunkers like Phillip Klass, and to what end? To support questionable sightings like Socorro, taking researchers away from real UFO incidents?

How about Bruce Maccabee, who is affiliated with the Navy (the one U.S. military construct with UFO interests that have been overt and covert since 1947 and earlier)?

Maccabee is always quick to support, with seemingly “scientific” analyses, sightings that appear bogus to objective investigators, causing a rift in any straight line to the UFO truth.

And one can’t ignore the mish-mash provided by Canadian Errol Bruce-Knapp, whose UFO mailing list has done much to degrade the UFO discussion, by allowing quidnuncs a forum where they can make ufology seem as crazy as any psychotic endeavor.

What’s the intent and purpose of EBK’s carefully controlled presentation of certain UFO ideas and positions, other than to confuse the topic with the ramblings of many who would divert dialogue of a meaningful kind?

Another disruptor is Rense, whose anti-Semitic broadsides make ufology an outcast for any serious UFO investigator or scientist.

In England there are Clarke, Roberts, McGonagle and others who keep ufologists off-balance with their discursive and often insinuating posturings. To what purpose, really?

For those who think Bob Lazar and Doty, or any other bizarre UFO story-teller, are the culprits who’ve distorted the UFO truth, they’d do better to question the motivations and agendas of some in the UFO community who’ve insinuated themselves so deeply in the phenomenon, many with government or military associations, that their place at the UFO table is suspect, at least to those of us who take conspiracy theories somewhat seriously.


  • Hi
    Serious and admiriable work has been undertaken in the field of physics that, in my view, will ultimately unravel this mystery and when you compare the efforts of these armchair speculators dealing in cheap back alley rumors
    to the astonishing discoveries in the field of physics, anyone can determine for themselves that the only reason these buffoons have any currency is that very few folks have taken the same amount of time to explore the discoveries in physics,and that the majority of folks think somehow that these self appointed knuckleheads are gatekeepers. You would be better off reading something Stan Lee cooked up. Anyone who takes the time to explore the discoveries in physics will see the connection to the study of Ufology. I applaud you for firing the shot across the bow. maybe this lumbering vessel will turn...from its present circling course. Its the old saying, dont look at whats in my hand, look at what I am pointing to.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Friday, September 28, 2007  

  • Yes, Bruce, we agree totally, but the "knuckleheads" seem to be entrenched, to the point that disloging them or their accumulated nonsense will take a kind of miracle or profound thrust by real truth-seekers.

    The situation isn't futile, but daunting.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, September 28, 2007  

  • Since the government has been deeply involved with UFO secrecy since the beginning, it would be disingenious to call several "famous" ufologists agents of the government. An unfounded accusation has a life of it's own. I once was accused in print by no less than Bill Moore of posing as a FBI in Dulce, NM (where I had never been.)
    If the last refuge of a scoundrel is to question another's patrotism, then in ufology a scoundrel says someone is "an agent of the government."
    Doty WAS a government agent and look at all the damage he did. Moore became a disinformation agent and betrayed his fellow ufologists. These are the real bad guys.

    By Blogger Edward Biebel, at Friday, September 28, 2007  

  • Edward:

    We agree pretty much with your view, however....

    The obsession by some ufologists, with bogus sightings, while other sightings -- better incidents to investigate, as Kimball suggests, -- go unreviewed generally, causes us pause.

    And the invective by some ufologists, used to disparage obtuse ideas and the people suggesting those obtuse ideas, seems to be a bit much.

    When ideas are stifled, or attempts to stifle them are as rampant as those found at UFO Updates by the "bona fide" UFO investigators, we wonder why.

    Things are always iffy when it comes to UFOs.

    And some of the noted proponents are even iffier (or just crazy with frustration).

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, September 28, 2007  

  • I'm distressed to note that you omitted me.

    Please re-draft your blog and put my name in.

    Thank you

    By Blogger Stuart, at Saturday, September 29, 2007  

  • Stuart:

    Now why would we include a fellow as chary as you among the raft of UFO die-hards named here, some who are scarier than the aliens abducting people?

    But then again, you do have strange tastes when it comes to UFO postings, so maybe we should re-examine our suspicions.

    We'll think on it...

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, September 29, 2007  

  • Dear Iconoclast,
    I love it, your even weirder than us. Look there is no way Stanton Friedman orchestrated the Roswell incident - you know that - so why even put it out there. I am tired of the O'Rially stile misinformation - misdirection tactic. The Roswell story was a story waiting to happen for decades.. It didn't happen because the reporters of that day (who were not warned) didn't do there homework. The truth is - after the book "Witness To Roswell "Donald R. Schmitt and Thomas/ Carey who amassed 600 witnesses many of them new - directly or indirectly involved with the debris; including guarding it and policing it under tight security. It is impossible for me to come to any conclusion other then - not ours.
    Not one of these witnesses mentioned a balloon - but who are they - they were just there - what do they know.
    Did you ever wonder if the M-12 doc. were a ruse to take attention off of research on Roswell many UFO researcher spent years trying to prove these doc. real. These Documents reinforced there belief systems but also took there direct attention off of Roswell and the witnesses.Time enough for the gov. to prepare to hide the Roswell truth. If it wasn't for the tenascity of "Donald R. Schmitt and Thomas J Carey many of these witnesses would have passed on and many of them have. I find that skeptics like you who may have an open mind never really looked at the Roswell case with common sense. These people would not have mistaken a balloon for crashed disk.
    Oh by the way did you know that sheep were known to east these balloons and die from it as pointed out in the book "Sheep eat everything in their path every good rancher knew that.... you would never leave a balloon on the ground that out in the field the sheep could suffocate from eating it." - it seems the sheep knew more then the hundreds of debunkers and skeptics of today - they knew it wasn't a balloon they wouldn't get near it.

    Joseph Capp
    UFO Media Matters
    Non-Commercial Blog

    By Blogger Joseph Capp, at Saturday, September 29, 2007  

  • Joseph:

    As always, your views are well taken, and prominent actually, among UFO aficonados.

    We merely were presenting an oblique alternative to the disinformation saga(s).

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, September 29, 2007  

  • Hi,
    Your views are very inciteful. I could not agree more! I find it is useful in uncovering the truth about ufo's by seeing what government disinformation agents(like Stanton Friedman) are saying.
    Please continue your excellent work.
    Johnny Yuma

    By Blogger Johnny Yuma, at Wednesday, October 31, 2007  

  • everything is riddled with disinformation and psy ops, has been FOR A LONG TIME.

    i do not doubt there is other life and we could be getting visited or have in the past, but it is a possibility that it is just all an elaborate hoax from the beginning with little to no actual phenomenon occurring..


    By Blogger admin, at Friday, January 28, 2011  

  • can you link me to some of rense "anti semitic" articles? i see you mentioned this.

    By Blogger admin, at Friday, January 28, 2011  

  • Admin:

    You'd have to find out yourself what material at Rense is alleged to be anti-Semitic.

    Ws won't encourage such material by a link or anything else.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, January 28, 2011  

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