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Friday, January 11, 2008

UFOs and Scientology


The third floor at the headquarters of Scientology in Clearwater, Florida is devoted to the investigation of UFOs.


UFOs, or rather flying saucers, factored in Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard’s life: he and his intimate friend, rocket-fuel scientist John Whiteside Parsons, associated with Naval Intelligence in the late 1940s and early 1950s and both became advocates for flying saucer technology which was being studied diligently by the Navy.

Parsons, who lived with Hubbard, was a founder of a government rocket project at California Institute of Technology that later became the famed Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

(Hubbard’s book ‘Dianetics” – the premise for Scientology – was used by some commanders in the Army and Navy as a kind of training manual.)


Hubbard, a writer of pulp science fiction, in a meeting with George Adamski during 1951, shared ideas about flying saucers and the “messages” that Adamski and Hubbard had allegedly received from flying saucer entities.

(Hubbard’s associations with Parsons, Aleister Crowley – the occultist – and Adamski helped fuel Scientology’s aura of secrecy and cultism.)


Hubbard had always maintained a secret UFO subset to Scientology that he shared only with his inner circle.

And in recent years that subset has become an aspect of Scientology that only the “religion’s” serious initiates study.

The Clearwater laboratory and/or research center has accumulated documents related to UFOs from Naval personnel who are Scientology members.

L. Ron Hubbard always had a Navy connection, and some contact with the CIA. His wartime service was Naval, and “early biographies issued by Scientology say that he was flown home in the late spring of 1942 in the secretary of the Navy's private plane as the first U.S.-returned casualty from the Far East." [Los Angeles Times. THE SCIENTOLOGY STORY by Joel Sappell and Robert W. Welkos, June 24-29, 1990]

(Naval Research is the one United States government agency that remains committed to investigation of UFOs and has done so since early on in the phenomenon’s appearance.)


What Scientology believes UFOs are or what members know about them, is not available to outsiders and not even available to outer members of the “religion.”

But the inner core take UFOs seriously, and some even go so far as to say that L. Ron Hubbard didn’t die in 1986 but was transported aboard a UFO, “ascending” to the heavens where he exists even to this day.

Whether or not Hubbard knew more than most about UFOs can’t be determined by outside sources not connected to Scientology, and perhaps not even by most Scientology members.

But, again, as usual, UFOs impact another mysterious organization, and confound those who study the phenomenon.


  • Interesting piece - I've spent a few days looking for sources to verify those claims and I'm struggling to find many.

    Could you help provide some sources? They are fascinating and if they can be supported certainly cast things in a different light.

    By Blogger Emperor, at Wednesday, January 23, 2008  

  • Sources are, indeed, few but some can be found in Naval archives and various writings of L. Ron Hubbard, which you can ferret out of the internet by using Google Images (not Google's normal search listings).

    The Naval Archives are all over the place, but can be accessed online by searching for Naval Research and other Navy parameters.

    We have posted some documents at our private UFO site -- http://ufos.homestead.com -- which you can access with the password, if you have it.

    (I'll make sure Rich Reynolds sees your request.)


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, January 23, 2008  

  • Actually; if you can support even some of the things you are asserting here you will be breaking new ground on a already bizarre and colorful individual.

    I would be very interested in finding out where you get the notion an entire floor of one of the many buildings Scientology operates is devoted to saucers! It would be amazing if true!


    By Blogger The Odd Emperor, at Wednesday, January 23, 2008  

  • We have an office in Clearwater, where Rich has a home (for over 35 years).

    He, Rich, has several friends who are Scientologists. The UFO floor is common knowledge down there, and the former Clearwater Sun (no longer published) had a story about it some time ago.

    It's no secret that Hubbard was a UFO/flying saucer devotee.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, January 23, 2008  

  • That's very groovy Max!

    I don't suppose you would care to meet me at the Fort Harrison Starbucks (you know the one..) Say this Thursday at about 6PM? I have an office in the area too.

    I'll check the Sun piece. Sounds like you might have something here!


    ...I was under the impression Rich was from Michigan!

    By Blogger The Odd Emperor, at Wednesday, January 23, 2008  

  • Odd Emperor,

    I'm in Ann Arbor at the RRRGroup compound.

    Rich has a place down there (Florida) -- Treasure Island, with an office in Clearwater.

    He's in Fort Wayne, Indiana this week (where he heads our media operation).

    I'll pass on your note, and he may want to get together with you when he's back down there for the balmy weather.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, January 23, 2008  

  • Fort Wayne, that's right.

    I knew some of you folks were in Ann Arbor.

    That's very cool. You guys have a compound? All I have is a lousy Imperial palace!

    I'm actually not kidding about this, I go to the FH Starbucks on Thursdays to get away from it all and write.

    And dudes! The balmy weather is NOW! My trusty thermometer has it at 68-70 today. Tell Rich I said hi!

    By Blogger The Odd Emperor, at Wednesday, January 23, 2008  

  • Odd Emperor,

    I'll pass your "hi" on to Rich who, along with us, is suffering single digit temperatures. Brrrr.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, January 23, 2008  

  • Thanks for the advice - I'll give the Google image search a go. I hadn't thought of that angle but it could prove useful in general too.

    Specifically what I was interested in sources for (which might not be in the public Navy files) are):

    * Parson's meeting with a Venusian - I may have a lead on this but all information is gratefully received.

    * Adamski and Hubbard's meeting in 1951 - this is before Adamski's meeting with a Venusian.

    * Parsons' contacts with Naval Intelligence and his, and Hubbard's, advocating the study of flying saucers to the Navy.

    * Clearwater receiving Naval files on UFOs.

    Thanks in advance. I will be digging around for it but, obviously if you have this to hand it'd speed things up.

    By Blogger Emperor, at Wednesday, January 23, 2008  

  • Parsons was heavily into the occult and also connected to the military because of his work on the pre-JPL lab.

    Hubbard and Adamksi shared sci-fi themes. (Adamski was introduced to Hubbard by Parsons.)

    The Naval documents were always available to Hubbard by his contacts in the Navy, and some material was provided to him by his Navy buddies, which are in the Scientology archives.

    This isn't secret information, and can be found by simple searches online, not just by way of Google however.

    You can get much information from Navy and Navy-related sites, and some sites that show up in Google Images that don't show up in Google's normal listing.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, January 23, 2008  

  • I know about Parsons which is why I wanted to check the specific sources for the statements made - I have skimmed through both books on him and a dozen articles as well as Googling the specifics. I have yet to find evidence for:

    * Parsons connections with Naval Intelligence and his advocating UFOs

    * Hubbard's connection to Adamski and, the even more interesting idea that Parsons knew him first, which you just mentioned.

    I have looked into this and the only Parsons-Adamski links I've found are largely coincidental - see e.g. the following from Dam Gorightly (which is along the lines of the article he wrote for Darklore):


    Such a link would be very interesting but isn't in anything I have to hand, which is most of the major works on Parsons and related matters. If the information wasn't easily available I wouldn't be asking.

    By Blogger Emperor, at Wednesday, January 23, 2008  

  • Mr. Emperor,

    Looking at your back-and-forth with Max, we're not sure what your needs are.

    You have the Gorightly material with more than adequate clues to where to find his sources if you don't accept them prima facie.

    If you don't have access to our UFO web-site, we'll make sure Rich Reynolds knows this, in case he wants to provide you the password.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, January 24, 2008  

  • Adrian,

    But as you can see from the Gorightly article there and in Darklore he does look at the links between these areas and if he knew of a Parsons/Hubbard-Adamski link then he'd have mentioned it as it strengthens his case.

    If Max can confidently state:

    "Hubbard and Adamksi shared sci-fi themes. (Adamski was introduced to Hubbard by Parsons.)"

    He must have got this from somewhere and my simple question is : Where?

    I have been looking into this and can't find anything so if there are "clues" then I'm missing them.

    Obviously we never want to do anyone's homework for them but it is also down to people who make claims to be able to back them up with sources, so these statements can be checked.

    I am very interested in the subject area and the statements made would be a significant contribution to our understanding of the murky goingson in this era, however, we can't just take your word for it or they became little more than friend-of-a-friend rumours.

    By Blogger Emperor, at Thursday, January 24, 2008  

  • Mr. Emperor,

    You've have not seen the correspondence from the Scientology materials online at our web-site I'm guessing.

    Some materials we have from Scientology members (now and former) are privileged, as you can imagine, so we can't throw that stuff around for just anyone to read or have access to.

    Max's suggestions and our blog article on UFOs and Scientology were meant to sugegst area that some might find intriguing, and should thus investigate for themselves.

    As you can see from the Gorightly material, there is much to chew on.

    You're in Clearwater, am I right?

    If so, you cna go to the Scientology HQ and see if you can get access to the open library there.

    Much about Hubbard is available and not kept under wraps.

    The stuff about parsons, Hubbard's Navy contacts, et cetera is all right there, for anyone to read.

    Scientologists are not as secretive as we at the RRRGroup are.

    (I'm off to classes so good luck with your pursuit.)


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, January 24, 2008  

  • Actually, you might be dealing with two people, "The Odd Emperor" and "Emperor" could be different individuals in different geographic areas.

    As in anything, the devil is in the details!


    By Blogger The Odd Emperor, at Thursday, January 24, 2008  

  • There is only one "Emperor" in our UFO Universe, and it's the Odd one.

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, January 24, 2008  

  • Heh! *He* might have something to say about that!

    By Blogger The Odd Emperor, at Thursday, January 24, 2008  

  • Yes He might.

    Thou Shalt Have no Truck With False Emperors

    Which also includes Odd ones ;)

    Also I'm afraid Mongo is an awfully long way from Clearwater so I don't think I'll be dropping in anytime soon. Although cousin Odd is always welcome to.

    Anyway it seems like the answers to my questions are shaded in secrecy (or something) so I'll keep digging and if anyone has any answers they can drop in a note where I've blogged on this (my contact details are there too if needed).

    By Blogger Emperor, at Monday, February 04, 2008  

  • Oooooo! Your THAT Emperor?

    By Blogger The Odd Emperor, at Thursday, July 03, 2008  

  • The fact that he is associated with Aleister Crowly is disturbing to say the least. Maybe he's also involved with Anton Lavey (Satanic Church). Food for thought

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Thursday, April 15, 2010  

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