UFO Conjecture(s)

Saturday, January 26, 2008

Why don't gays see UFOs?


Or blacks? Or Latinos? Or any other minority?

UFO witnesses and so-called abductees (experiencers) are invariably white, middle-class or lower class persons.

Aside from Barney Hill and Lonnie Zamora and a very few others, the predominant minority classes are under-represented when it comes to UFO sightings or alleged alien abductions,

Gays never report UFO sightings. (Closeted gays – homosexuals – may do so but those who are overtly gay do not.)

What does this tell us about the phenomenon?

It seems to confirm Carl Jung’s thesis that flying saucers are a myth concocted by the mind of Western Civilization man.


Or, if UFOs are real, tangible objects, they lie outside the interest or experience of those who are suffused with concerns that are more practical or hard-shipped.

That is, UFOs are the purview of those with too much time on their hands or have a need to make their boring lives more interesting.

The panoply of ufologists is comprised of those very middle-class blokes who have no credentials for anything significant.

Persons with careers that mean something are not attracted to ufology. And those who have economic survival needs are not inclined to see or report UFO sightings; they have more immediate interests.

Gays are completely involved with sexual seductions, so UFOs elude their conscious, existential endeavors.


What has sustained the UFO mystery is the rapt attention they get from all those who don’t have a stake in society or any societal cachet. The white, middle and lower-middle class UFO mavens or viewers of UFOs need something to confirm their humdrum existences, and UFOs fulfill a need to make their lives (somewhat) meaningful.

Gays, African-Americans, Hispanics, and other groups making up the sub-stratum of American society couldn’t care less about UFOs, and UFOs don’t impact them or their senses.


But Caucasian members of American society (and that includes white Canadians) have a need to or desire to feel part of the society which ignores them when it comes to making a difference in the world.

Mexico’s inhabitants, excluded by the wealth of its northern neighbor, also are quick to use UFOs to garner a claim to importance that they don’t have economically or politically.

So, one can conclude that UFOs are grist for the desire and needs of the red-necks and/or scruffy members of America’s middle class, with used to be called the Silent Majority, but is very noisy when it comes to UFOs.


  • I would be interested in your opinion of the 1994 Ruwa, Zimbabwe case where dozens (apparently) of black, white and mixed race chidren reported sighting a landed object and entities. The encounter supposedly included telepathic messages to some of the older kids about upcoming environmental upheavals. The skeptical view on this case is sadly lacking, on the internet anyway, and I wonder if it's because the case/witnesses are actually unassailable, involving children (a hoax/sleep paralysis/DMT hallucinations all seem untenable explanations). I was ready to write off the entire UFO/Abduction field as modern mythmaking/nonsense until I was reminded of this case recently. If viable doubts/objections about this case were ever raised, I have not been able to find them.

    By Blogger gnatpilot, at Saturday, January 26, 2008  

  • GnatPilot,

    The Zimbabwe incident is interesting, to say the least.

    While our comments were meant for UFO sightings in the Americas, one can see that when blacks, or other minorities elsewhere, who speak up about their UFO experiences, they are generally dismissed out of hand.

    This might explain why so few UFO events by those not in the majority don't get publicized or investigated as is the case with sightings (and abductions) by the great unwashed middle class (from which almost all ufologists come.)

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, January 26, 2008  

  • While our comments were meant for UFO sightings in the Americas,...

    Sorry to pick a nit, but people in Latin American countries (part of the Americas I believe.) likely see more UFOs per capita than their counterparts in *North* America.



    By Blogger The Odd Emperor, at Sunday, January 27, 2008  

  • OE,

    Our view still holds true for South American countries and peoples: gays don't report UFOs (or see them apparently), nor do peons, and rarely (almost never) do the upper classes see or report UFOs or have abduction experiences.

    It's always the middle classes (or lower-middle classes) that are absorbed by or who see UFOs.

    Why is this? That's the question.

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, January 27, 2008  

  • Probably because they don't care to share with the world that they're gay if the issue was a UFO and not their sexual preference.

    You're obviously asking for a crowd today. To bad you don't have anything to sell.

    By Blogger nesbittplac7, at Sunday, January 27, 2008  

  • We think you've missed the point, Nes....

    And no one gets a crowd from the UFO community when the word "gay" is used.

    Ufologists are homophobes, one and all.

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, January 27, 2008  

  • What databases do you use that list the sexual preference of witnesses?

    By Blogger Jeff, at Sunday, January 27, 2008  

  • Jeff:

    "Data" comes from The Wilde Society
    at http://wildesociety.homestead.com

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, January 27, 2008  

  • oy vey

    By Blogger Jeff, at Sunday, January 27, 2008  

  • "It's always the middle classes (or lower-middle classes) that are absorbed by or who see UFOs.

    Why is this? That's the question"

    ...and it's a very good question. I think that the answer is similar to the question, "why is it various social classes tend to have deeply held religious beliefs while others do not."

    People in the lower middle class (IMO) have a tendency to be under educated and hold less-than challenging jobs. Many of the proponents of "passionate advocates" of the ETH etc are older, retirees or near retirees. People who are espousing alternate lifestyles (I.E, Gays,) people who are perhaps vocal in one or more civil rights issues and people with job/families don't often have time to fiddle around with esoteric hobbies like Ufology.

    There's a great quote from the James Cameron film "The Abbyss,"

    "If your holding on by your fingers, you shouldn't be waving your arms around."



    By Blogger The Odd Emperor, at Monday, January 28, 2008  

  • Interesting post, but is there evidence to support the idea that homosexuals never report UFOs or have no interest in the subject? Ted Bloecher, a leading UFO researcher from the '50s through the '70s, was in the New York City Gay Men's Chorus. And I doubt whether "Gays are completely involved with sexual seductions" any more or less than heterosexuals.

    Also, whether skeptical or "believers," some of the more articulate and passionate UFO investigators have not come from the middle class. For example, Phillip J. Klass, James E. McDonald, Howard Menzel, J. Allen Hynek, Carl Sagan, Jacques Vallee, Bruce Maccabee, Stanton Friedman, Peter Sturrock and Edward Ruppelt were or are highly educated.

    Any thoughts about the 1959 Rev. Gill sighting in Papua New Guinea that was alleged to be witnessed by several dozen natives?

    I've followed your blog for a while and find your thoughts and analysis intriguing.

    By Blogger Kameron D Kiggins, at Tuesday, January 29, 2008  

  • Kameron:

    For us there is a difference between homosexuals and gays.

    Gays exhibit an overt (swishy) lifestyle.

    Homosexuals just are.

    Surely homosexuals have seen and reported UFOs; gay, on the other hand, are pre-occupied with themselves and continuing seduction, as we've noted (from studies done by many over the years -- see http://wildesociety.homestead.com).

    Some of the ufologists you cite haven't seen a UFO but have been attracted to the phenomenon for various reasons, mostly to carve a niche in something, anything, since they are or were generally without renown for something more tangible.

    ("Famous" UFO devotees such as Sagan, Vallee, Ruppelt, and Jerry Clark -- Clark is more interested nowadays in the formation of Early Christianity -- have or had a tangential interest in the phenomenon.)

    The Reverend Gill sighting intrigues, and while the natives allegedly saw what the good Reverend saw, they were not inclined to be particularly overt about the sighting, merely acting in a kind of subservience to Reverend Gill.

    Our observations here form a generality, and we understand there are exceptions to our comments, but those exceptions are so minute that they fail to register as far as we're concerned.

    Thanks for the note, and your views, which we find as valid as our own in the merry mix-up generated by flying saucers.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, January 29, 2008  

  • Perhaps UFOs and religion both require a degree of transcendental thinking/fantasizing which is, for whatever reason, not a part of the gay culture.

    By Blogger Epinoia, at Tuesday, January 29, 2008  

  • Epinoia:

    Many sub-cultures have their own enthusiasms and concerns -- and gays have theirs, which isn't evil as such, just sexual, in the strictest, unsublimated sense.

    Not that sexual prowess is uninteresting, it's just non-spiritual, as you note.

    Art, music, literature, even science have an absorbing factor which keeps practitioners from UFOs, just as economic survival does.

    Thus, ufology (UFOs) is left to the boring, middle-class, where a need for recognition is paramount, and the search for truth (of anything, including the UFO mystery) is secondary to ego-needs.

    Gays don't see UFOs, opera singers neither, and those living hard-scrabble lives don't give a fig either.

    It's just the way it is....

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, January 29, 2008  

  • From Tillich's 'Dynamics of Faith':

    "Different types of love have been distinguished, and the Greek 'eros' type of love has been contrasted with the Christian 'agape' type of love. 'Eros' is described as the desire for self-fulfillment by the other being, 'agape' as the will to self-surrender for the sake of the other being. But this alternative does not exist. The so-called 'types of love' are actually 'qualities of love', lying within each other and driven into conflict only in their distorted forms. No love is real without a unity of 'eros' and 'agape'. 'Agape' without 'eros' is obedience to a moral law, without warmth, without longing, without reunion. 'Eros' without 'agape' is chaotic desire, denying the validity of the claim of the other one to be acknowledged as an independent self, able to love and to be loved."

    By Blogger Epinoia, at Wednesday, January 30, 2008  

  • The sexual seduction that "gays" are obsessed with has nothing to do with agape, and is actually a distortion of "eros"

    The book that delineates this is Hervey Cleckley's "Caricature of Love."

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, January 31, 2008  

  • Since you didn't give much to work with (you seldom do), I will simply say that I am not convinced that Gays are engaging in a 'distortion' of 'eros'.

    As I understand the term, 'eros' (Gk. erasthai) is merely passionate/intense desire for something.

    Plato obviously refined that term to involve the transcendental, but that's exactly what one would expect from Plato. Plato did not, however, create the term. He modified it. So it would be far more proper to say that Plato 'distorted' the term, rather than suggest that Gays are involved in a 'distortion' of 'eros'.

    By Blogger Epinoia, at Friday, February 01, 2008  

  • Epinoia...

    Try to get the book mentioned (Cleckley's) -- all will be answered for you.

    Why should we try to improve on Cleckley's views? He's a scholar.

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, February 01, 2008  

  • A scholar in the field of psychology, which is, as you well-know, a pseudo-science to begin with.

    It's one thing to recommend a book for people to read, it's quite another thing to throw out a book title as a way to end a discussion.

    By Blogger Epinoia, at Friday, February 01, 2008  

  • Epinoia...

    Psychology is a pseudo-science?

    You're not Tom Cruise are you?

    Yes, a book offering does end a conversation when the proffer is for persons who are ill-read.

    (Not you, of course.)

    But the gay/eros/agape topic misses the point of our blog post, which was to say that minorities don't give a fig about UFOs, and don't see them (or don't report them if they do).

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, February 01, 2008  

  • You're the one who maintains the convoluted distinction between gays and homosexuals -- which you then further complicate by using ill-defined words like 'swish', and links to password-protected websites for further clarification.

    One might be tempted to say that you are engaged in the "No True Scotsman fallacy of equivocation...

    By Blogger Epinoia, at Friday, February 01, 2008  

  • As usual, Epinoia, you are perspicacious.

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, February 01, 2008  

  • I have seem unusual things in the sky, but hesitate to call them UFOs simply because I try to be rational. Without knowing flight patterns and what objects might have been in the area, I failed to make more than a casual mental note of the events.

    Or perhaps I'm just not "swishy" enough to qualify as "a gay".

    I believe it's a hasty generalization to say that minorities fail to see anything of a supernatural nature, be it UFOs, ghosts, etc. And I can hear statistical data until I'm blue in the face, but won't trust it. Anyone who deals with statistics knows that they can be manipulated to produce any result, really.

    What it really boils down to is this: who has the time and patience to stare up into the sky long enough? It isn't a matter of being "too busy with sexual pursuits", it's a matter of priorities.

    By Blogger Ken, at Friday, July 18, 2008  

  • Ken,

    I think our point -- as clumsy as it was -- is that gays have "better" things to do than get immersed in the UFO cycle.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, July 18, 2008  

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