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Monday, July 27, 2009

DEEP SECRETS OF A UFO THINK TANK EXPOSED! by Anthony Bragalia

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Since the 1940's the U.S. government has quietly engaged one of its key defense and intelligence agency contractors as a secret UFO "think tank." New investigation reveals that the esteemed RAND Corporation is a "think tank" that has given far more than "passing thought" to things extraterrestrial.

RAND's hidden history of UFO involvement has been discovered to include work in policy analysis; evaluation of evidence and in advising on the potential technological advantages achieved from UFO study. Telling connections have also been found between RAND and the Roswell crash event of 1947.

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WHO IS RAND?

RAND Corporation was established in 1946 by the U.S Army Air Force as Project RAND ( for Research ANd Development) and is today registered as a nonprofit organization. It is funded through government contracts, university collaborators and by "private donors." RAND's primary agency clients include the CIA and DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency.)

Headquartered in Santa Monica, CA the think tank maintains branches worldwide. RAND's stated mission is to "help to improve policy and decision making through objective research and analysis." Its work is officially conducted "for the public welfare and security of the United States of America."

Over 30 Nobel Prize winners have been employed by RAND. From physics to economics, the 2000 person think tank provides high-level information and evaluation to the U.S. government. Deeper review shows that RAND has conducted studies in such areas as weapons development, intelligence gathering and analysis and the design of sensitive underground installations for the USAF.

Far more concealed is RAND's intimate involvement in highly classified UFO study for the U.S. government:

RAND'S FOUNDERS HELD THE SECRET OF THE SAUCERS

From its very inception, the men of RAND knew much about saucers.

RAND was conceived by Donald Douglas, CEO of Douglas Aircraft (and a protege of Dr. Jerome Hunsaker at MIT) along with two military officer luminaries. These officers carried with them significant "UFO histories." The officers behind RAND were Major General Curtis LeMay (the US Air Force's Chief of Development) and General Hap Arnold (considered the "father" of the modern U.S. Air Force.)

In May of 1948 RAND was separated from Douglas Aircraft and became its own operating entity. Among RAND's earliest government reports was the release of the enigmatically titled, "Preliminary Design of an Experimental World-Circling Spaceship."

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General Curtis LeMay

LeMay expressed deep interest and concern about the flying saucer phenomena. More than this, LeMay himself was a keeper of the purported 1947 Roswell UFO crash debris.

This was revealed in a stunningly candid interview with the late U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater. Goldwater (a former U.S. Presidential Candidate, Major General and Command Pilot) was General LeMay's professional associate and close friend. LeMay's UFO involvement was related by Goldwater in a live worldwide broadcast with CNN's Larry King in 1994. The USAF had just issued its report that debunked the Roswell crash of 1947 as a Mogul balloon. Goldwater (who died just a few years later) informed King that he knew the truth to be far different.

He knew this, he explained, because in the 1960's he had approached LeMay about the crashed UFO issue. Goldwater -who no doubt himself held the highest security clearances- told Larry King:

"I think at Wright-Patterson, if you could get into certain places, you'll find what the Air Force and the government knows about UFOs. Reportedly, a spaceship landed. It was all hushed up. I called Curtis LeMay and I said, 'General, I know we have a room at Wright Patterson where you put all of this secret stuff. Could I go in there? I've never heard General LeMay get mad, but he got madder than hell at me, cussed me out and said, 'Don't ever ask me that question again!" Goldwater never did.

LeMay was very well-acquainted with Roswell Army Air Field Base Commander Butch Blanchard. Blanchard oversaw the base at the time of the Roswell crash event in 1947. It is believed that Blanchard helped issue the original press release on the crash- which prompted the famous resulting headline "RAAF Captures Flying Saucer on Ranch in Roswell Region." Blanchard's former wife and daughter Dale say that he was highly affected and visibly upset by the event. He repeated only, "those Russians have some amazing things." Roswell mayor William Brainerd says that Blanchard told him, "What I saw was the damndest thing I've ever seen!" To Art McQuiddy -editor of the Roswell Morning Dispatch in 1947- Blanchard said when questioned, "I'll tell you this and nothing more- the stuff I saw I'd never seen anyplace else in my life."

Pilot Ben Games related in interviews (with this author and to reporter Billy Cox) that he had flown General Laurence Craigie (Director of the Air Force's R&D) to Roswell Army Air Field after the Roswell crash. Games said that General Curtis LeMay (the Air Force's Chief of Development) was well aware of Craigie's flight- and that LeMay and Craigie were in close contact about the event.

In LeMay's 1965 biography "Mission with LeMay" he speaks sparingly about the UFO subject. LeMay of course discounts that there is a government coverup about UFOs. But he belies this with a brief and telling statement found later in the biography, "There is not a question about it: these were things which we could not tie in with any natural phenomena known to our investigators."

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General Hap Arnold

As early as 1943 this fabled Five Star General of two units of military service was investigating unidentified flying objects.

Found in Box 166 of General Arnold's papers (at AFHRC, Maxwell AFB) is detailed analysis from 1943 that assessed a number of sightings of "small, luminous, silvery discs" reported by B-17 pilots. "Foo fighters" were an anomalous aerial "ball-of-light" phenomena reported and photographed by pilots during combat in Europe in the 1940s. Hap Arnold was intimately involved in the study of the baffling phenomena.

In November of 1945, an Adjutant from Hap Arnold's office delivered a packet of sealed documents that related to analysis of the mysterious "foo fighters" to Arnold's friend, Jo Chamberlin of the American Legion Magazine. In a 1991 interview with researcher Jeffrey A. Lindell (of the Indiana Folklore Institute and a USAF retired Electronic Warfare Systems Analyst) Chamberlin said that he retained these foo fighter documents from Arnold and had never opened them after he first read them in 1945. At the time of the interview, Chamberlin said he still had them but that he had promised Arnold he would never circulate them. Though Chamberlin wrote a generalized article on foo fighters for the magazine, he never circulated the papers Arnold had given him- and never revealed their contents on the General's analysis.

General Arnold established the 509th and (like General LeMay) he was closely associated with Colonel William "Butch" Blanchard- the Commanding Officer of the 509th bombing wing and the Roswell Base Commander at the time of the 1947 crash.

On July 7, 1947 (just days after the Roswell crash) Arnold is quoted in a UP story that stated, "General H.H. (Hap) Arnold, head of the army air forces during WWII, said today the discs could be a development of United States scientists not yet perfected." Of course during the period immediately following the Roswell crash, U.S. military were obfuscating by giving the public various explanations on the nature of the discs. But Arnold had known many years prior that U.S. scientists could not be the reason for them. He knew that they were seen by his own pilots operating in the European theater, as he had earlier reported.

RAND'S EARLY UFO INVOLVEMENT CONFIRMED

An official Air Force document written on October 12, 1948 has been located by the historical research group Project 1947. Project 1947 is operated by respected researcher Jan Aldrich, supported by the civilian UFO research organization CUFOS and is known for its expertise in Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests.

This 1948 document is very instructive about RAND and the early study of the troubling UFO phenomena.

The subject header of this document is "Request for Study by Rand Project" and is directed to the US Air Force Chief of Staff. The author of the document is Col. W.R. Clingerman, the Acting Chief of Intelligence. Clingerman was associated with Project Sign, the USAF official early study of the UFO phenomena. Clingerman seeks the approval of the USAF Chief of Staff: "It is requested that the special study, described in the inclosure be approved and that the Rand Corporation be authorized to establish a study of priority, consistent in scope and degree of treatment with the described requirements."

In a later paragraph of the document, Clingerman explains that he wishes RAND to: "Assist in the collection of information relating to unidentified aerial objects that may possibly represent spaceships or spaceship test craft and the technical information that includes the distinguishing design and performance parameters for spaceships is considered necessary." He adds "It would be valuable to this Command" to have RAND provide "further scientific clues that may assist in their detection and identification by RAND scientific personnel."

Clingerman cautions, "It is further requested that Air Materiel Command be assigned to monitor the project in conformance with Air Corps Letter 80-10, 21, July, 1948, Section 3, Paragraph 3."

We learn that RAND is held in high regard by the uppermost levels of government. It is an organization considered ideal for initiation of work on the UFO phenomena. It is felt that the "spaceships" had "distinguishing characteristics" that RAND personnel would be uniquely suited to provide technical information about- and that they could find "further scientific clues" about the "unidentified aerial objects." We also learn that RAND is to be "monitored" on this UFO work by AMC, in conformance with an "Air Corps Letter" dated one year after the Roswell crash. The document can be accessed at www.project1947.com

RAND AND UFO PHOTO ANALYSIS

Brief mention in extant literature notes that in 1966 RAND Corporation coordinated the photographic analysis of an alleged UFO photo. The "Zanesville, OH UFO" photos of November 13, 1966 were taken by local barber Ralph Ditter. Widely circulated at the time, the two photos appear to show a large saucer above the Ditter home. The RAND photo analysis determined that the object was a model only 3-4 inches in diameter and only 3-4 feet from the camera. The analysis was correct and Ditter later confessed the hoax as a way to please his curious daughter. Interestingly, most such analysis is officially conducted by the National GeoSpatial Intelligence Agency (formerly the National Photographic Interpretation Center.) RAND apparently has such capability as well- and has applied this capability to the UFO phenomena.

RAND AND UFO SIGHTINGS ANALYSIS

While working for RAND, senior analyst Dr. James E. Lipp wrote one of two scientific reports for the USAF's official UFO study, Project Sign. It was completed in February of 1949 and was classified. In the report Lipp makes an extraordinarily astute observation.

Lipp notes that by the Spring of the previous year there had been a total of five atomic bomb explosions. Lipp believed that these explosions could have served as interstellar 'smoke signals' - and that they would be a potential source of extraterrestrial interest. Of this RAND report even skeptic Curtis Peebles notes that Lipp's evaluation may represent, "the first U.S. government sponsored study of non-human life in the universe."

Lipp continues that "visits from outer space are believed possible." Ultimately though, Lipp seemed to cautiously conclude that he did not consider most reported UFO events as described to be evidence of such visits because they made "no logical sense."

RAND'S ET STATEMENTS

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Stephen H. Doyle, scientist at the RAND Corporation, authored the intriguingly titled "Habital Planets for Man" in 1964. Dole -based on his analysis while at RAND- believed that the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence was extremely high, even probable. In other reports he estimated the number of life-bearing planets (based on available information at the time) at 640 million!

It appears that RAND not only analyzed the UFO problem, but also evaluated the larger cosmological issues of our place in the universe, the likelihood of ET and how to determine and quantify the extent of off-earth life.

THE RAND UFO REPORT THEY DIDN'T WANT US TO SEE

RAND analyst George Kocher authored an assessment report entitled, "UFOs: What to Do?" dated November 27, 1968. Kocher's paper was stamped "For RAND Use Only." It further instructs on its cover page: "Do not quote or cite in external publications or correspondence." Though known of by the UFO research community for some years, it was only in 2000 that RAND was forced to officially acknowledge the paper's existence and authenticity. Today RAND counters that it was an "internal draft" that was never formally considered. It is easy to understand why RAND would want us to think this is the case.

From a summary of this report we learn the author's conclusions about the phenomena: "Since WWII there seems to have been a drastic increase in sightings. We have enough data to know that the phenomena is unambiguously extraordinary and clearly inexplicable in modern terms." Chapters in the previously restricted document include, "UFOs: Historical Aspects" "UFOs: Astronomical Aspects" "Phenomenological Aspects" and its conclusion, "UFOs: How to Proceed and Why." The document is available for review in PDF at www.nicap.org

We know based on the above-mentioned 1948 Air Force document that RAND was engaged in official research. In 1968, two decades on, RAND was still engaged in such analysis. And they likely continue this work today.

RAND & UFOS TODAY - KEEPING IT ALL IN THE FAMILY

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Ben Rich

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Michael Rich

Rand's Executive Vice President is Michael D Rich. Mr. Rich is also Director of RAND National Security Research. A family man, Mr. Rich's own family history is very telling. His father was aviation genius Benjamin Rich. Ben helped to lead aerospace giant Lockheed Martin as President of Lockheed Advanced Aeronautics. He oversaw the ultra-secret Lockheed "Skunk Works" division where he spearheaded the development of the Stealth bomber. Rich Sr. is universally acknowledged as "the father of Stealth technology."

Ben Rich stated some extremely revealing things about the reality and nature of UFOs before he passed. In a letter to his friend and associate John Andrews he replies to Andrew's observations about the UFO phenomena. Andrews had written a letter to Rich in which Andrews says, "I believe with certainty in manmade UFOs. I am tending to believe there are also extraterrestrial UFOs."

Rich -in a handwritten letter- replies to Andrews, "Yes, I am a believer in both categories." Andrews was a forensic illustrator and aviation model-maker. Before his own death, Andrews related that Rich went further in privately explaining that, "there are two types of UFOs, the ones we build and the ones 'they' build." Rich told Andrews of his concern that the public should not be told. But Rich told Andrews he had recently changed his mind on this and that those "involved in dealing with the 'subject' could represent a bigger problem to citizens than knowledge of the visitors themselves." Just before he died, Andrews says that Rich confirmed to him that "items" were recovered at the crash at Roswell in 1947. Rich also told associate John Goodall, "we have things at Area 51 that you and the best minds in the world won't even be able to conceive for the next 30-40 years." In fact Rich gave numerous clues and hints about the alien reality to several before he passed.

The father of Stealth -who is also the father of RAND's current Director- gave his gift to truth and history before he died. He confirmed official government study of the UFO reality and the crash of an extraterrestrial vehicle to earth.

THE RAND-BATTELLE CONNECTION AND UFOS

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Prior articles by this author (available on the UFO Iconoclasts website and in the book Witness to Roswell) have shown that -like RAND- Battelle Memorial Institute was heavily engaged by government to study UFOs.

It now appears that Battelle metallurgists likely analyzed the Roswell memory metal retrieved from the 1947 crash. That conclusion was drawn from a "reverse engineering of information" of the literature on shape recovery metal; by the revealing statements of two U.S. Generals; through the confession of analysis by a senior Battelle scientist and by establishing other connections.

But perhaps the most interesting of these telling connections is this: The Director of Battelle at the time of the Roswell crash -Clyde E. Williams- simultaneously sat on the Board of Trustees of the RAND Corporation!

Williams directed RAND and Battelle's activities at a time when both organizations were highly engaged in UFO study. Clyde Williams was installed as Trustee of RAND in 1948 (the year after Roswell) and remained a RAND trustee until 1963. Battelle is also known to have supported analysis of UFO sightings for the Air Force's Project Blue Book during William's tenure.

A PRESIDENT'S WARNING

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President Dwight Eisenhower

The line between "public" and "private" sectors is blurred when it comes to "things UFO." Such fuzzy, "quasi-public" organizations were of grave concern to a wise President and military icon. Dwight Eisenhower was instructive in his farewell to the nation. He warned that we should beware of the unchecked powers of the "military-industrial complex." And the Five Star General was right. For it is in complexes like Battelle and RAND that the alien truth resides, unchecked. Until now.

21 Comments:

  • Great article

    By Blogger jamieinenglewood, at Tuesday, July 28, 2009  

  • "For it is in complexes like Battelle and RAND that the alien truth resides, unchecked. Until now."
    Anthony,
    I am befuddled. And the answer is...? If we take as a reasonable supposition that the government considers UFOs to be real what does that have to do with the price of a potato? In other words..and so? What is unspoken valuation here? Your post suggests our agencies have a greater store of insight than all the French, English etc studies in the declassified material recently dumped into the public domain. I didnt read any insightful concepts from the Rand material beyond those that are already well known..official conjectures versus private ones. If I have a weapon or vehicle in hand from another party does this lend me insight into their psychology, motives, aims or paradigms? Lets say we do have a "saucer"...and? Why is it important that we do? What does this fundamentally change? Consensus? Then what? What is your opinion?

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Tuesday, July 28, 2009  

  • And so on. First it was the USAF who knew the 'great truth'. Then it was the CIA, then the NSA. Then it was the US Navy, followed by the FBI and, a bit later, NASA. But there was also a committee known as MJ-12. Not to be outdone, we then had the 'Unholy 13' (ask General Exon about this). Now we have two public bodies: Battelle, plus the RAND Corp. The list never stops.

    With so many agencies knowing the truth..., (Notice how they are all in the US, I wonder why).

    I have another (but not new) suggestion: it is the Bilderberg commission, the shadowy lot that meets every year in a top secret location. Where are their top secret reports? And how many times does the word "Roswell" appear in them?

    By Blogger cda, at Tuesday, July 28, 2009  

  • I think what's important is that some of the most revolutionary areas of knowledge are being repressed and denied to the public by governments and/or the money/power brokers of the world.

    You might have seen single frames of video with a squiggle of light where some UFO has travelled in a split second. So maybe UFOs can enter other dimensions, where time flows at a different rate. What's in those dimensions?

    Tesla was known for his genius. But his technology was also suppressed. Look into books about him and you'll find that near the end of his life he invented a car that ran on energy obtained from an antenna - So called "free energy" from the cosmos. If that technology was allowed become public, what would happen to petrol prices? Electricity rates? As someone said, they couldn't stick a meter on it.

    If these technologies were to become public, I think the world would change dramatically, with great shifts of power.

    Interesting googles:
    Tesla car antenna
    "Project Camelot"
    "Disclosure project"

    By Blogger jjoz, at Wednesday, July 29, 2009  

  • Hopefully, those still in doubt will be ...thinking.
    But the only reason we don't know about them is because our society cannot take the technology without a major (tecno-finance-power) colapse. Where to put the meter thing. That's all.

    Add the fact that their technology beats our best weapons, and then you have kids with guns (our military) denying their presence.

    By Blogger Joe Average Blow, at Wednesday, July 29, 2009  

  • Having worked in a field of engineering for both commercial and non profit entities, if there was "free energy", in my opinion,industrial and governmental concerns would be the first to sell it to us as opposed to naivety. The devices would have to be patented,manufactured, distributed etc. Then you would have regulatory agencies, permits, not to mention the potential of taxation, fees, etc.Telsa used energy to the create transmission of it, not create or capture it, except in theoretical ruminations..he blew out the Colorado Springs power plant in order to conduct feasibility experiments.Telsa's concepts of particle beam weapons and utilizing the atmosphere have suffered no repression. Study the HARP facility. This was not "free" energy, it was wireless transmission.In fact, in the Supreme Court, he had Marconi's claims of a radio application overturned. What is a possibility is zero point energy.Telsa's theories of harmonic resonance are yet to be found in a practical application despite a wealth of his patents being extant as well as his notebooks.No one took any of this seriously until Corso planted this meme of seeded technology, which is the same ruse that created Roswell, to draw out operatives, and then Greer using a cannon to swat this artifice of a fly, made it a politicized wedge to force disclosure of what is in effect, in reality ,is governmental ignorance which (surprise) the government stubbornly refuses to do...one more nail in the illusion of government omniscience..despite the attempts of many to reinforce this sleight of hand.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, July 29, 2009  

  • It is possible to refute, or offer counter answers to, the points made by Anthony Bragalia. In particular Barry Goldwater did not ask to see the Roswell, or any other, crash debris when he approached General LeMay decades earlier (i.e. decades before his 1994 interview with Larry King). He merely asked LeMay (who was Chief of Staff of the USAF at the time and an old friend of his) whether he could have access to the AF files on UFOs, still then under wraps. He was refused on security grounds. The date was about 1963 and was long before anyone knew about Roswell. It was prompted by several enquiries on UFOs from his constituents. Goldwater's reply to one of them is reproduced in some of the UFO literature, where he uses the term "above top secret".

    Also, Bragalia's claim that LeMay purportedly possessed some of the Roswell debris (and thus knew the 'great secret') is based, I suspect, on tittle-tattle and has no basis in fact.

    By Blogger cda, at Wednesday, July 29, 2009  

  • I can confirm that a flying saucer did land on US soil, as mentioned in the article. But it didn't land at Wright Patterson -- it landed at Holloman AFB in 1973. The ETs left it on the runway, unoccupied -- it is now stored at S4 Groom Lake. I know many people who have been there. To date the US military/industrial complex has NOT been able to understand the physics of the flight mechanism, but they did reverse engineer silicon chips and fiber optics from the ET technology. (that's how Bill Gates made is $$$. The technology has been used to enrich the industrial oligarchy). There are 5 other saucers, all left by the ETs all over the world. They were all left at the same time. One of them is in China, the other 3 I suspect are in Russia, Brazil, and India. I have been on board such a saucer and their onboard 'computer' is a silicon life form -- which is EXTREMELY hazardous to human beings. The reverse engineering in the USA of this silicon life-forms released morgellons disease. There's more... there are two known ET bases in our solar system, one is on the moon, the other on Mars. To date there has never been any meaningful discourse between the visiting ET races and the US government. The US military.industrial complex is extremely paranoid about the ET technology, as it would render the use of money obsolete. The ET technology can be used to replicate any thing -- from comercial goods to food. Should this technology become completely understood and known worldwide, the use of money, thus the control of the world populace, would be obsolete. This is why there's a cover up. The military/industrial complex, aka banks, are not willing to trade their control for technology.

    By Blogger http://st911.org/, at Wednesday, July 29, 2009  

  • CDA-

    You feel compelled to "refute" don't you? Well, you should feel compelled to read more carefully too.

    Review the transcript in my article of what Goldwater actually said:

    "Reportedly a spaceship landed." He continues that there is a room LeMay can access "where you put all the secret stuff." I suppose that you could say that files are "stuff" but this is not what Goldwater means.

    In addition, Goldwater wrote to researcher Lee Graham some years prior. In the letter, Goldwater thanks Graham for his inquiry about the military possessing what Goldwater says are "objects of an extraterrestrial nature that may be kept at Wright Patterson."

    I don't know how more clear that could be CDA. Objects and "stuff" -not files- is what Goldwater was talking about.

    And another thing you may not realize, skeptic Kent Jeffrey was made aware by Goldwater personally that "Butch Blanchard was a very good friend of mine." I have the letter in which Goldwater states this. Goldwater knew Blanchard well. And Goldwater was referring to the Roswell debris.

    Anthony Bragalia

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, July 29, 2009  

  • The date for Goldwater's request to General LeMay to see the AF material on UFOs was
    c.1963-64 (date unknown). Since Roswell was an unknown entity at the time, it is certain
    Goldwater's request had nothing to do with Roswell, but was to do
    with AF UFO files and case reports. It may have been prompted by the Socorro 'landing'
    of April 1964. Goldwater actually replied to one researcher
    in 1975 that he expected the AF to release most if not all of the information soon, as they duly did. (Letter to Mr Shlomo Arnon March 28, 1975). I repeat: this early request to LeMay
    had nothing to do with Roswell or any other crash.

    As to his letter to Lee Graham, this was in Oct 1981, a year after "The Roswell Incident" was
    published and the affair was public knowledge. Graham was an associate of co-author
    Bill Moore,an ET buff and later an MJ-12 believer. I do not know precisely what Graham asked him but
    it is very likely he asked about Roswell. Thereafter Goldwater would indeed have pursued this case if his constituents asked him. Goldwater himself had taken a deep interest in UFOs since the 50s, hence his curiosity. It is always possible that post-1980 he began to suspect actual UFO artifacts were stored at Wright-Patterson, but by then LeMay was well out of the picture.
    When Goldwater spoke to Larry King he was likely confusing his 1960s UFO enquiries with his later post-Roswell enquiries.

    The fact that Goldwater knew Blanchard well (presumably from his Air Force days) has nothing to do with it.

    And I am most interested to know how the tale of LeMay allegedly possessing some of the Roswell debris originated. Did any other USAF Chief of Staff handle it, or was LeMay favored for some reason?

    By Blogger cda, at Thursday, July 30, 2009  

  • The RAND was, and still is, a centre of excellence in operational research. And remember in 1948, there were just a handful of computers in the world. Calling RAND for help was absolutely logical in that context. The AMC report can be found in Brad Steiger’s book “Project Blue Book”, published in 1976. The conclusion is quite clear: “Another possibility is that these aerial objects are visitors from another planet. [...] the Rand Project in Appendix D indicates that this solution of the mystery connected with the sighting of unidentified flying objects is extremely improbable.” (pp. 185-186)

    The Lipp’s report is also reproduced in Steiger’s book. He wrote that: “The distribution of flying objects is peculiar, to say the least. As far as this writer knows, all incidents have occurred within the United States, whereas visiting spacemen could be expected to scatter their visits more or less uniformely over the globe. The small area covered indicates strongly that the flying objects are of Earthly origin, whether physical or psychological” (p. 213).

    Eric Ouellet
    http:parasociology.blogspot.com

    By Blogger Eric Ouellet, at Thursday, July 30, 2009  

  • "And so on. First it was the USAF who knew the 'great truth'. Then it was the CIA, then the NSA. Then it was the US Navy, followed by the FBI and, a bit later, NASA. But there was also a committee known as MJ-12. Not to be outdone, we then had the 'Unholy 13' (ask General Exon about this). Now we have two public bodies: Battelle, plus the RAND Corp. The list never stops."

    And just WHAT exactly is your point CDA? The UFO subject is a mess. I'm sure everyone reading articles on this site is aware of that, but thanks for reminding us all.

    Do you have proof that any or all of the points made in the article regarding RAND & UFO's are false?

    If just one of the 'facts' presented is true, then it is very interesting.

    By Blogger Gareth, at Thursday, July 30, 2009  

  • Hi Bruce,

    Yes, I agree, some Tesla technology hasn't been repressed, and Tesla did seem to do a lot of work with transmission of power thru the atmosphere. I've read about HAARP, scalar waves etc.

    I may be incorrect about the "free energy" - Tesla's car may have used one of his transmission stations to power it. That's one possiblity, but in my understanding its not what's described in his books on the subject. I believe his car was possibly tapping ZPE/aether based on his description... but I may be wrong. He describes an antenna that works like a solar cell, except that it also works at night, transforming energy from cosmic rays. You can find circuit diagrams of it on the web with a bit of looking.

    Tesla's studies on longitudinal waves is pretty interesting... he mentions things such as antigravitic effects, changing time field effects, even mental effects. Apart from HAARP and russian scalar wave research, I haven't heard of this in mainstream science, and it certainly wasn't mentioned in electrical engineering when I did it. There was something similar to these effects mentioned in Phylos's "A dweller on two planets" tho, which talks about flying machines powered externally by huge crystal transmitters. Also fascinating reading.

    By Blogger jjoz, at Friday, July 31, 2009  

  • My previous posting (answering Anthony Bragalia) seems to have got lost.
    To Gareth: my point is that we now have so many official organisations and other consultancy groups who know or purport to know, the great truth of ET visits to earth, and are suppressing it. But not the whole scientific community or the general public. We, for some obscure reason, can never be told.
    At least not officially. Yet it is probably the greatest scientific discovery of all time.

    Yes there is one specific claim in the RAND article that is false (and no, I am not going to waste my time trying to prove it). It is the claim that: "LeMay himself was a keeper of the purported Roswell UFO crash debris". Rather than me disprove it, the originator of that fanciful allegation (Bragalia or otherwise) should prove that LeMay indeed possessed the stuff. The use of the word "purported" allows a slight 'get out', I suppose.

    Another allegation that is false is that Goldwater's original request to General LeMay to have a look at the USAF information on UFOs (in the 1963-64 period) was to do with Roswell. It was not, as Roswell was an unknown entity at the time. Goldwater had no reason to ask about it and there is nothing to show he had even heard of Roswell in 1963. I make no such claims about any of Goldwater's post-1980 enquiries on UFOs, which could easily be on Roswell or crashed UFOs. And if Goldwater ever once discussed Roswell with Blanchard before 1980 will someone somewhere please provide real evidence of this, other than anecdotal testimony decades afterwards. When did Blanchard die anyway? Does anyone know?

    By Blogger cda, at Friday, July 31, 2009  

  • CDA's skeptical spew falls flat.

    He declares that "there is one specific claim in the RAND article that is false." But CDA then says that he will not say why this is so- "No, I'm not going to waste my time trying to prove it." This is a strange position for him to take. I won't remind CDA that he has already seen fit to "waste" hundreds of words and tens of paragraphs commenting on this story!

    CDA then goes on to say that there is "another false allegation" in the article. As best as I can understand, central to the problems that CDA has with the story is this: Goldwater -in the 1960s- could not have heard about the possible military capture of a crashed saucer some years prior. But why CDA says this is so makes no sense-

    By the mid-1960s, Goldwater had been a U.S. Presidential Candidate, a AF Major General and Command Pilot- and he had been a U.S. Senator for a decade. Goldwater was best friends with crash-involved Roswell Base Commander Blanchard because (among other reasons) both had at one time served in the U.S. Army Air Force. Incidentally, Blanchard died young of a heart attack sitting at his desk at the Pentagon in 1965. Blanchard -after Roswell- was ultimately promoted to a 4-Star General and he was on a career-path to have been installed as the head of the entire USAF - had he have lived.

    So what part doesn't CDA get? I really don't understand CDA's meaningless point on all of this...

    Anthony Bragalia

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, July 31, 2009  

  • CDA's "lost" comment:

    The date for Goldwater's request to General LeMay to see the AF material on UFOs was c.1963-64 (date unknown). Since Roswell was an unknown entity at the time, it is certain Goldwater's request had nothing to do with Roswell, but was to do with AF UFO files and case reports. It may have been prompted by the Socorro 'landing'
    of April 1964. Goldwater actually replied to one researcher in 1975 that he expected the AF to release most if not all of the information soon, as they duly did. (Letter to Mr Shlomo Arnon March 28, 1975). I repeat: this early request to LeMay had nothing to do with Roswell or any other crash.

    As to his letter to Lee Graham, this was in Oct 1981, a year after "The Roswell Incident" was
    published and the affair was public knowledge. Graham was an associate of co-author Bill Moore,an ET buff and later an MJ-12 believer. I do not know precisely what Graham asked him but it is very likely he asked about Roswell. Thereafter Goldwater would indeed have pursued this case if his constituents asked him. Goldwater himself had taken a deep interest in UFOs since the 50s, hence his curiosity. It is always possible that post-1980 he began to suspect actual UFO artifacts were stored at Wright-Patterson, but by then LeMay was well out of the picture.

    When Goldwater spoke to Larry King he was likely confusing his 1960s UFO enquiries with his later post-Roswell enquiries.

    The fact that Goldwater knew Blanchard well (presumably from his Air Force days) has nothing to do with it.

    And I am most interested to know how the tale of LeMay allegedly possessing some of the Roswell debris originated. Did any other USAF Chief of Staff handle it, or was LeMay favored for some reason?

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, July 31, 2009  

  • Thanks to Anthony Bragalia for confirming, in a roundabout negative way, my 3 points:

    1. There is zero evidence that General LeMay ever possessed any of the Roswell debris.

    2. There is zero evidence that senator Goldwater ever discussed Roswell with Gen Blanchard.

    3. There is no evidence that Goldwater ever made enquiries to LeMay about Roswell in the mid-1960s or that he ever talked about the case before it beacme public knowledge in 1980.

    Time to draw this debate to a close, lest people get bored with it all.

    By Blogger cda, at Friday, July 31, 2009  

  • What was the subject again..ah yes..the truth with a perhaps premature exclamation point as a punctuation.In this there seems to be a equilibrium of prescriptions, the material object as a nexus of the phenomenon versus mind\matter which may be the sublimation of this stew. Perhaps we are all ignorant, all bewildered, all caught in poses against uncertainty..I dont think there is a hierarchy in this.Anthony works the field as we all do in plowshares to see what germinates. Is this blameworthy or praiseworthy, how do we valuate curiosity in proof versus truth, which truth may be a fulcrum rather than a equation that is repeatable. At any rate, I dont consider the "truth" to be a exclusionary franchise. For all we all know..there is no Bruce Duensing authoring this comment except as a referent in a larger play upon certainty. I remain befuddled and the answer is...?

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Friday, July 31, 2009  

  • Bruce:

    Agreement here with your view(s) about the subject matter.

    For the RRRGroup, UFOs remain an open enigma, and Tony Bragalia is anxious to get to the heart of the mystery.

    His research is avid and productive but not the only path for coming to grips with the UFO or Roswell riddles.

    While I (and CDA, for example) seem to be cranky about how the UFO dialogue is ongoing and seemingly endless, we here think that UFOs may well represent a cluster of phenomena, for which there is no one answer or explanation.

    So we open this blog to various views, most showing up in the comments section, even while we pretend to eschew the ET view or the Duensing psychical insights.

    That's the "fun" with UFO nowadays, since they seem to be more benign than they were back in the heyday of abduction events and nuke intrusions.

    So, while you may be part of a profound chimera existence, most of the RRRGroup will remain locked into that apparently concrete reality which Plato saw as false and misleading....our loss, not yours.

    So keep those daunting comments coming and let me suggest that readers here visit your blog -- Intangible Materiality -- for a dose of the Platonic reality that eludes most of humanity.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, July 31, 2009  

  • I want to thank Anthony Bragalia for his ongoing research and for attempting to make sense of a vast series of data points, documents and quotes.

    We tend to push towards certainty, particularly when we're exploring the unknown, and in our zeal we sometimes offend those who remain uncertain. In the same vein, when someone claims certainty and then fails to convince, those offended may react aggressively with whatever weapons are available.

    Some of Bragalia's detractors on this blog's comments make good points in so far as they question certain phrases that portray more certainty than their supportive evidence seems to vindicate. However, most of those who've shown skepticism have seemed to me to be a combination of rude and just as inappropriately confident about something of which they have little evidence. The only thing I find boring or tedious about the UFO arguments is the catty, bickering manner that so many adopt, as though their opponents are their mothers and they're fighting the same fight they've been fighting with them since they were teens.

    Those of us who are interested or curious have long since accepted that the task of proving something that has been so assiduously obscured will be a drawn out process of collecting little seemingly innocuous gems together until they paint a picture that is difficult to deny. It's important that we point out to each other where we're interpreting and leaping to conclusions, rather than continuing to gather evidence. But, why must we jab at each other all the while? Why must we make the whole thing so much more unpleasant while we're working on it, than it has already been made by those who refuse to allow for these possibilities?

    By Blogger Lihai, at Friday, July 31, 2009  

  • You all dance around what is in plane sight, and go out of your way to move further from it rather than closer. Do not focus so much on the UFOs as the total collapsing current financial business political power structures. Only after this happens, and you have survived the fall out from this. Plus the people must turn in to their higher spiritual selves, so as to survive all the calamities just ahead for all evil. Then and only then will you witness these alien technologies. Think about it.

    By Blogger Steve, at Monday, September 28, 2009  

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