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Sunday, August 16, 2009



A research study that has recently been obtained through FOIA offers stunning confirmation that Wright-Patterson Air Force base contracted Battelle Memorial Institute to analyze material from a crashed UFO at Roswell in 1947. Remarkably, the co-author of this very metals study is the same scientist who decades ago had confessed that he had examined extraterrestrial metal from a crashed UFO while he was a research scientist at Battelle! This just-received document also reveals that another one of its metallurgist authors reported directly to a Battelle scientist who was conducting secret UFO studies for the USAF. It appears that the study represents first-ever attempts in creating highly novel and advanced Titanium alloys. Some of these alloys were later associated with the development of "memory metal" of the type reported as crash debris at Roswell.

This 1949 Battelle research study had never before been publicly available until earlier this month. Its release was compelled under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA.) It was sought because references to it had been found as footnotes within later military-sponsored studies on shape-memory alloys such as Nitinol. It was previously believed to be "missing" because both Battelle and Wright historians were unable to locate it. Earlier research had revealed a paper trail that led from Roswell to Wright Patterson, to the doors of Battelle- and to this 1949 study.

Once received, investigators were astounded to learn that the sought study was in fact co-authored by none other than Elroy John Center. Center was a Battelle scientist who -in June of 1960- had privately related that he had analyzed metal from a fallen UFO when he was at the Institute. Citations that had been found to this Battelle report had not listed Center as a co-author. When the report was finally received, Center was revealed to be an "et al" or "and others" author of the study. Center's story about examining ET debris was first publicly told in 1992. But it was not known that Center was the co-author of this Battelle study until it was obtained under FOIA in August of 2009!




It was previously determined that Battelle (which operates six U.S. National Laboratories) was a likely organization to have analyzed such material. Founded in 1929, Battelle remains a major research and defense contracting organization.


Some of the crash metal at Roswell was reported by several credible witnesses to have had "shape memory" characteristics. When crumpled, this "morphing" metal returned immediately and seamlessly to its original form. Shape recovery metals ("memory metals") are today emerging as a technology with applications for use in everything from eyeglass frames to spacecraft. An intense review of this subject (reported in an earlier three-part series on the UFO Iconoclasts website) proved very revealing:


· Nitinol (a lightweight Nickel-Titanium alloy that is the "Cadillac" of memory metals) finds its history in late 1940s metallurgical work at Battelle- in studies that were contracted by Wright Patterson in the months immediately following the Roswell crash.
· A metals expert at Battelle during the time -Dr. Howard C. Cross- was leading a dual life secretly researching UFOs for government agencies while at the same time directing top-secret Titanium alloy studies. It was found that Cross "seeded" Titanium alloy studies to the US Navy Lab- where Nitinol was later "discovered."
· Titanium alloy was named as part of the composition of the Roswell memory metal according to General Arthur Exon, Wright's one-time Base Commander. Exon also referred to the material's unique "processing" and that the "reports" on the metal "were still around." Exon spoke of "chemical analysis, compression tests and flexing." These were the precise tests found to have been conducted on Titanium alloys in the Battelle report received though FOIA.
· General George Schulgen (who led Intelligence at the Pentagon at the time of the crash) issued a formerly secret memo -just weeks after Roswell- informing his officers that the saucers may be made with materials "of composite construction" that used "various combinations of metals" and that were fabricated by "unusual methods" to achieve "extreme lightweight." Schulgen's memo was written just one week prior to the issuance of the Battelle report!
· Major discrepancies in the "official" history of Nitinol were identified. Although Nitinol may not be the "actual" Roswell debris, its development and inspiration was found from material discovered crashed at Roswell in 1947.
· Citations to this 1949 Battelle report were found (as buried footnotes) within four military-sponsored studies. All of these studies related to shape-recovery or "memory metal" development. This includes a report authored by Dr. Fred Wang, the purported "co-inventor" of Nitinol in the 1960s at the US Navy Lab. Nitinol is comprised of Nickel and Titanium, and much of this 1949 report concerns itself with alloying these two metals. Wang was later discovered to have been involved in bizarre "mind over matter" experiments to see if Nitinol could be morphed using the mind's energy.

The Battelle study from 1949 was obtained through a FOIA request placed by Sarasota Herald Tribune reporter Billy Cox. Many of it pages are missing or are not numbered.




The study's full title is "Second Progress Report Covering the Period September 1 to October 21, 1949 on Research and Development on Titanium Alloys Contract No. 33 (038)-3736." It is authored by "Simmons, C.W.; Greenidge, C.T., Craighead, C.M. and others." The Battelle report was completed for Wright Patterson Air Materiel Command.

The citations to this Second Progress Report were found in later military-sponsored studies on shape-memory metal development. They list the authors of this report as C.M. Craighead, F. Fawn and L.W. Eastwood. However, it was learned from reading the report that the citations to it were actually listing the authors of a subsection of the report- not the authors that are listed above, in the study's main title. This subsection (to which the later shape-memory metal studies refer) relates to a Nickel-Titanium Phase Diagram- that is required to make Nitinol!

Elroy John Center (who confessed to UFO debris analysis) is not listed among the study authors shown in the report title. He is rather, one of the "other" authors- as indicated in the study's title. The report's title identifies the three primary authors- and then follows with the phrase "and others." The technical subsection of the report that Elroy Center authored is very revealing, as are many sections found within the study:





Center's section in the report (on page 97) is especially telling. General Exon spoke of the Roswell material as having undergone chemical analysis. Center was a Chemical engineer and his section of this report details chemical analysis to detect and quantify metal impurities. It is entitled "Analytical Methods for the Titanium Base Alloy." Titanium must be of ultra-high purity to be used for shape-memory metal applications. Center concentrates on detection of Oxygen in Titanium, a challenge faced when creating the memory metal Nitinol.




Center was a Senior Research Chemist who worked for Battelle from 1939-1957 in materials sciences. University of Michigan alumni files and other papers that he authored while at Battelle confirm his employment and position. Originally from Hibbing, MN, Center received a BS in Chemical Engineering from the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor in 1939.

Dr. Irena Scott (a former employee of both Battelle and the Defense Intelligence Agency) had known of Elroy Center's connection to ET metal analysis years before this Battelle report was released. She had even related Center's confession to MUFON, a civilian UFO research organization, as reported in a 1992 Ohio MUFON journal. But Center's name was not known to be associated with the Battelle 1949 metals report until it was received this month under FOIA.

In May of 1992, Dr. Scott talked to a mutual acquaintance who told her that in June of 1960 Center had privately related to him something very disturbing. Center had told his friend that while he was a Research Chemist at Battelle he was directed by his superiors to provide technical assistance on a strange project. He was to conduct evaluation of an unknown material that he was told was retrieved some time prior from a crashed "flying saucer." He said that the debris -like the Roswell debris- had highly unusual hieroglyphic-like markings. Center then stopped short and said nothing more. Center passed in 1991. Center's family confirms his intense interest in UFO study and in the extraterrestrial, including while at Battelle. Additional information confirming Center's involvement is now being developed and will soon be released.

Although this story was known publicly as early as 1992, no one knew that Elroy Center was a co-author of a Battelle report for Wright Patterson that has long been suspected to be associated with Roswell memory metal debris analysis! The likelihood of a story about Center examining UFO debris when at Battelle- and then 17 years later discovering for the first time that he was the very scientist who had co-authored the suspect 1949 Battelle report- cannot be mere coincidence. Of the thousands of reports and employees that Battelle has had over the years- it could not be coincidence that it would be that very report -and that very scientist- that would be associated with the debris analysis- years later!


Receipt of the Battelle report was challenging. Historians at both Battelle and Wright Patterson were unable to locate this Second Progress Report- even though they saw the same citations and footnotes to it that we did. This was why the report itself had been previously characterized in past articles by this author as "missing."

It was then decided that a FOIA request must be filed to secure the document. It required filing two FOIA requests, a reminder telephone call and the passage of 10 weeks. The report was subjected to official review for release by the office of the Secretary of the Air Force. It is now known that the document was previously restricted to viewing by authorized DoD (Department of Defense) personnel, despite the passage of over 60 years! According to the Air Force, the report was finally found in archives of the Defense Technical Information Center (DTIC) of DoD. The report was received through FOIA with portions of it missing. About 30% of the 119 pages are not included. Many are not numbered. The Air Force offers the explanation that this is due to document age, illegibility or the inability to reproduce certain parts of the report.


We learn on Page 96 in the subsection of the report, "Investigation of Melting Titanium," that Battelle scientist L.W. Eastwood was examining ways to optimize the melting of Titanium to the greatest efficiencies possible. Effectively melting Titanium is required to make Nitinol memory metal. It appears that Battelle possessed an advanced arc furnace that Wright did not.

Incredibly, this very same scientist -LW Eastwood- reported to Battelle's UFO researcher for the USAF- Dr. Howard C. Cross! Eastwood and Cross were also frequent co-authors of technical treatises. Cross was not only a chief metallurgist at Battelle in the late 1940s and 1950s- he was at the same time a secret US government agency UFO investigator! Cross authored large sections of early Project Blue Book reports and was consulted by many agencies about UFO events. His story is told more completely in an article archived on UFO Iconclasts- "Roswell Metal Scientist: The Curious Dr. Cross." Cross had direct connections to government-sponsored UFO studies with such agencies as the USAF, NACA- the predecessor organization to NASA, the CIA and with U.S. Navy Intelligence. He was also the author of the controversial letter to Wright-Patterson on UFOs known in research circles as the "Pentacle Memo."


On Page 65 we find the section, "Evaluation of Experimental Titanium-Base Alloys" by C.M. Craighead, F. Fawn and L.W. Eastwood. On the next page we find a Nickel-Titanium (NiTi) Phase Diagram. This is the first military-sponsored study to create a "recipe" for mixing the two metals that comprise Nitinol memory metal. Citations to this are found buried as footnotes in four military-sponsored published later. All of these studies citing this diagram relate to the subject of shape recovery memory metal.

The report reveals an intense and sudden effort to conduct first-ever research on purified Titanium alloyed with other metals. As mentioned earlier, General Exon speaks to "Titanium" and "another metal" and that "the processing was different" when describing the composition of the Roswell debris. General Schulgen's memo (written one week prior to this Battelle metals report) speaks to UFOs whose "items of construction" are specially fabricated composites, using a variety of metals and possessing extreme light weight.


Pages 82-85 of the document reveal an interest in the properties of Titatium-Zirconium or TiZr. In a study contracted by Wright-Patterson in 1965 to NYU, this 1949 Battelle report is cited by footnote. The subject of the NYU report, entitled "On the System Titanium-Zirconium," is on the shape-memory potential of TiZr!



On Page 95 the document reveals a technical chart showing first-ever research in such areas as "Elongation," and "Minimum Bend Radius" of various advanced Titanium alloys. This indicates that they were closely examining elasticity, malleability and tensile strengths of newly created, high-purity Titanium alloys, including Nickel-Titanium, required to make Nitinol.


No reference whatsoever to what must surely exist- a First Progress Report- is made in this 1949 Battelle Second Progress Report for Wright. What does the First Progress Report contain? Why is there no reference to it in the literature- or even within the FOIA-obtained Second Progress Report? Without a title, date or the authors' names, it is proving very difficult to locate this First Report.



Apollo Astronaut Dr. Edgar Mitchell

The Battelle-Roswell Connection is further established in a telling statement made many years ago by a Man Who Walked on the Moon. Dr. Edgar Mitchell, the sixth man on the Moon, has recently made some very public, supportive statements about the reality of Roswell. But in 1996, Dr. Mitchell provided clues to reporter Billy Cox about who kept the UFO secret:

"The information is now held primarily with a body of semi- or quasi- private organizations that have kind of spun-off from the military intelligence organizations of the past. There have been private groups involved with the issue for a number of years because they have the expertise." Breaking down Dr. Mitchell's sparse statement we can correlate that:

· Battelle is a "semi or quasi private organization"
· Battelle was "spun off from the military intelligence organizations of the past." {In fact, it has recently been learned that Battelle's Director at the time of the Roswell crash was Clyde Williams. Williams was at the same time serving on the government's Research and Development Board- and as Trustee of the Rand Corporation. Williams worked at the R&D Board with Dr. Eric Walker and Dr. Robert Sarbacher- both of whom later indicated their personal knowledge of the crash event! Other documents show that Williams had an intense personal interest in advanced Titanium alloy development.}
· Battelle is shown to have been "involved in the issue for a number of years." It is now acknowledged that Battelle played a significant role as a contractor to Project Blue Book and to other official govenment UFO studies.
· Battelle scientists -like Cross and Center- certainly had the needed "expertise" to analyze such things.

Battelle (like its think-tank cousin RAND Corporation) is an organization that is part of the "military industrial complex" of which a former General, President Eisenhower warned we should make sure remains in check. With this investigation, we have done what the General ordered.



Battelle's historic involvement in applying our science to understanding extraterrestrial science is no longer hidden. The truth is now revealed. Battelle Memorial Institute analyzed the materials of construction of a crashed craft from another world.


  • Another interesting article. Surprised to see you actually acquired the document in question from your earlier articles.

    Unfortunately, you decided to end the article with this:

    "Battelle's historic involvement in applying our science to understanding extraterrestrial science is no longer hidden. The truth is now revealed. Battelle Memorial Institute analyzed the materials of construction of a crashed craft from another world."

    Dont get TOO carried away. I sort of feel you deserve whatever CDA will have to say about this article after a closing paragraph like that ;)

    By Blogger Gareth, at Monday, August 17, 2009  

  • Yes, he does deserve what he gets from me, which in this case will be briefer than before.

    The Schulgen Report Bragalia refers to is dated Oct 30, 1947. The Battelle Report is dated Oct 31, 1949, i.e. two years AFTER the Schulgen one. Yet Tony Bragalia tells us that only one week separated the two papers! He earlier says the Schulgen paper was written "just weeks after Roswell". "Just months" would have been nearer the truth.

    Apart from this I note that Irene Scott talked to an intermediary in 1992 who said that he was told (in June 1960) by Center about "something very disturbing", etc. This sounds like another anecdotal story repeated years afterwards, and only after the original person (Center) had died. Presumably the middleman is also deceased now. Hmm...

    One other point: why is this supposedly highly important report (i.e. concerning ET debris) not classified? Have the authorities slipped up somewhere?

    Final point: I think I can guarantee that not one single document or report produced by Battelle between 1947 and 1980 contains any mention of Roswell.

    By Blogger cda, at Monday, August 17, 2009  

  • Great stuff. You definitely do your leg work on these reports and for that you should be commended. Half-assery will not stand! :-D

    By Blogger Cullan Hudson, at Monday, August 17, 2009  

  • Tony Bragalia thanks you, Cullan.

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, August 17, 2009  

  • Dear Tony,
    You have taken another notch from the wall with this great release. I find no problem with the documents not referring to Roswell since secrets like that are compartmentalize. This was from someone who worked top secret for 35 years with the Atomic Energy Agency. The fewer that know the details, the better, is always there mantra.
    Last year when Brad Sparks spoke on MJ12 he did say for a long time he didn't believe the Roswell story. Than a document was released wherein it reported headquarter did not know what the material was even though it had been described to them over the phone. That changed his mind because they did know about MOGUL.
    He did say that if the material was indeed something strange than they would have tried to back engineer it. So a good place to look was through the industry at the time with close military connections. This is what you have done and you have shown some very interesting links, exactly what Brad Sparks was talking about. Don't worry about these nit pickers they will never kill the whole story. I hope you continue you search and I thank you for the service you put in.

    By Blogger Joseph Capp, at Monday, August 17, 2009  

  • Joseph Capp has conveniently forgotten, or chosen to overlook, that in 1995 the GAO were specifically charged to locate any and all documents relating to a crash of an object at Roswell in 1947. They discovered nothing at all. Absolutely zilch. And that is still the position today, like it or not.

    By Blogger cda, at Monday, August 17, 2009  

  • Thanks Joe. And I'm not worrying about the nit-pickers!


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, August 17, 2009  

  • CDA:

    You and I have to concede that the GAO only discovered that there was no extant Roswell material in the files they scrutinized.

    If I remember correctly, there was an implication that all material for the Roswell time period was destroyed; that is, all records from the army air base and other military files for the July period were missing, although there was detritus that indicated there were some records (mundane perhaps) at the time (1947).

    I can accept the idea that someone or some U.S. agemcy cleansed the records, long before the GAO, belatedly, looked for them.

    This doesn't mean that I'm now a ET believer, although that is an acceptable hypothesis, with some circumstantial support from Tony Bragalia's finds.

    Something happened at Roswell.

    What that something was is yet to be determined, exactly.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, August 17, 2009  

  • CDA:

    The reason this report is not classified is because there is nothing incriminating in it.

    Presumably the classified document is "Report No. 1" ... The fact that no reference to this report exists in "Report No. 2" document - or even anywhere at all - might lend more weight to the notion that "N. 1" is indeed the smoking gun document.

    By Blogger Gareth, at Monday, August 17, 2009  

  • I don't think for a second that Roswell had anything to do with an ET spacecraft (or two!!) crashing, but RR is quite correct when he states that there are a lot of records from that period which are missing. The GAO survey was as thorough as it could be, under the circumstances, but it was hardly the final word, because it did not have all of the information (although it had all of the available information - a crucial distinction).

    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Tuesday, August 18, 2009  

  • Greetings Sirs,

    Sorry for my english, french speacker. I understand better than I write.


    "UFO" term related to a 1949 USAF document sounds strange...

    The term sounds like an anachronism, cause adopted by USAF with 1952 "blue book project" (Ruppelt) in my knowledge.

    Enlight me... ^^

    No mention of "Roswell", "E.T." in the FOIA document, following human research standards, not "retro engineering".

    Even if some pages are lacking : but the absence of pages isn't the presence of ET's !

    As the level "LIMITED" isn't really high for something this magnitude of E.T. retro engineering IMHO.

    Best Regards,

    Gilles F., french sceptic.

    By Blogger Gilles. F., at Tuesday, August 18, 2009  

  • In fairness to Mr Bragalia, he never said the term "UFO" appeared in the Battelle document. He also never claimed that "Roswell" or "ET" appeared in it. It is the association of this document, and the authors of it, with the Roswell crash and ufology in general that is in dispute. I suspect there never was a Report no. 1. Until this report is located, I assume it was merely a working paper or a first draft and probably never published. And it would have had the same classification as the second, published, Report.

    By Blogger cda, at Wednesday, August 19, 2009  

  • Greetings,

    Thx for your reply, CDA.

    I was just disapointed by the "rethoric" consisting to start the article by this picture mentionning "UFO Relics" like a "subliminal" intention to connect a standard and common 1949 report to Roswell affair in the mind of the reader.

    More, I found in the article a second "HET standard" which tacitly assume if a report n°1 is for the moment "missing", then it is here the "smocking gun" is...

    As usual, "if our truth does not appear from declassified documents, it must exist other documents that contain our truth."

    or "the absence of evidences is proof that there is indeed a cover-up..."

    This from 1978 and Roswell myth borning...

    Best Regards,

    By Blogger Gilles. F., at Wednesday, August 19, 2009  

  • This still isn't concrete tangible eveidence of anything. Just more hearsay wrapped in shadowy anecdotal testimony of dead people.

    Im afraid it's going to take a little more than that to prove anything of alien origin exists.

    By Blogger Luna, at Wednesday, August 19, 2009  

  • Greetings all

    I agree with Mr. Guilles, that lack of evidence is not necessarily the proof of something.

    I think the concept and the practice we have nowadays, in modern times, about information and archives is very diferent from 60 years ago. In my opinion, the hypothesis of a document being lost in a lenght of time of 60 years without the most accurate processes of archivation, is more probable to be true, or at least, is a very strong hypothesis, than the conjecture of the existence of a document wich is presumed to be the prequel of another one, wich contains important data. I disagree also with the induction of the title UFO relics.

    If we're speaking about conjectures or concept associations, in this case, Roswell to a UFO crash, based in a social culture, I think it's more honest to say, or probable to say, that the effects of the cold war in terms of paranoia or fear or race for the atomics or the traumatic 2nd war or the knightmare of a 3rd collapsing war or the 2 great powers of that time questing each other using marketing and divesion tactics manipulatting public opinion creating popular images are the best candidates to the truth that resides in this piece of history

    In another terms, to separate Roswell phenomena from the cold war is to deny logic

    thank you

    José Gomes, Portugal

    By Blogger Zé Tomes, at Thursday, August 20, 2009  

  • Greetings,

    One more my point is current memory-form composition of human material is not Nitinol (nickel-titane Naval Ordnance Laboratory), but Cu-Al-Ni or Cu-Al-Zn.

    Wait ?

    The retro-technology have been powned by humans ?

    But we have just walked in the Moon, but E-Ts coming to us, and us using ET's materials crashed from space have done retro-things...

    But for a better material concerning memory form...

    Best Regards,

    By Blogger Gilles. F., at Friday, August 21, 2009  

  • Hey, I was wondering if you could make permalinks for the articles. Great findings, btw.

    By Blogger Lady Fate, at Saturday, August 22, 2009  

  • I could not help but note that this piece contained mention of Dr. Robert Sarbacher. He was a very close friend and associate of T. Townsend Brown, the founder of NICAP among many other talents which he has yet to be noted for publicly. But if we are speaking strictly on what Roswell is/was, I do feel that the gentleman from Portugal is way off the mark. This was not a product of cold war fear mongering. At the time of the incident, it was important enough to get the President of the United States up and out of bed.

    Did something crash there? Was there EBE's discovered at the crash site? Is this new "memory metal" a product of reverse engineering alien technology?

    Unless you are of the belief that we are alone, or worse that we are special amongst all the planets in the cosmos, then you would have to see the answer to all the above questions is "Yes"!

    By Blogger FredMars, at Sunday, August 23, 2009  

  • @ FredMars

    So, for the one agrees to believe "we are not the only life in the univer",

    You are calling him to believe in the Roswell mythe ?

    What's that ? A new attempt to make Roswell an E.T. crash proof ?

    What an excellent narrative processing (only) to believe in the Roswell Mythe (sorry no...) !

    Sorry, not for me... Failure.

    Give the proof of the Roswell incident as an E.T. one.

    Dont mixt it by the question if or not we are the only life form in the univer, as an evidence for the Roswell mythe.



    By Blogger Gilles. F., at Monday, August 24, 2009  

  • To Fred Mars:
    I have never heard the story of how the Roswell crash was important enough to get President Truman "up and out of bed". Where did you hear this tale? Is it documented anywhere? There is nothing whatever in the literature to show that Truman had ever heard of Roswell, either at the time or later.

    By Blogger cda, at Tuesday, August 25, 2009  

  • I have been following and participating in the story of T. Townsend Brown and his involvement in these stories of Et's and UFO's, including his founding of NICAP. Bet you all thought Kehoe (sp?) was the man? What you will find is a lot of rumors and conjecture but very little "smoking gun" evidence. For that you will need to dig through the debris to find the gems.

    The GAO would not even know where to look for the documents you are seeking. Do they exist? Yes. Do I have any? No.
    If it comes out of "official" FOIA disclosure it has been redacted before release.

    While researching the history for his book, Paul Schatzin went to Dennison University and was told that T. Townsend Brwon was a "scoundre" and never "worked" with or for Dr. Biefeld, yet there are NRL records that clearly show Dr. Biefeld's praise of the young Dr. Brown, and the "anomalous" effect named for both gentlemen "The Biefeld-Brown Effect" which still is being debated over its validity.

    Not to be confused with ion wind, it is postulated the BBE may be the "secret" to UFO propulsion,

    You can find out more about Dr. Brown and his life's work and legacy at

    By Blogger FredMars, at Wednesday, August 26, 2009  

  • I do not want to sound like a "nit picker" but this report proves nothing. The US Air Force was fully engaged in aerospace development in 1949 and they needed a metal that can resist heat and cold. A "memory metal" is all about that, resisting heat and cold.

    The fact that 60-year old reports are in bad shape, and some progress reports are missing is perfectly normal. Anyone who worked in a scientific organization knows that.

    The second set of problems is that all the other information has been produced after 1979/1980 (i.e. after the Roswell affair became public lore). This makes the case rather weak because anyone remotely involved with military research can claim that the Roswell story is true, and simply recount the same tale with a few twists of their own.


    Eric Ouellet

    By Blogger Eric Ouellet, at Wednesday, August 26, 2009  

  • Greetings all,

    About life in the Universe - Two false inductions about Mr. FredMars's statements:

    - First, if one wants to argue in terms of logical hypothesis, one should not stand factious on the analysis of a context, but should be receptive to several points of view in terms of probabilities based in evidence or connected phenomenas - this is not a football team, or a religious faction. If we put that way, I would be on the UFO side, although, I am much more a rationalist than a believer and I need rational, empirical, probable and logical evidence to support my interpretation, things we don't have in this case.

    - Second, in terms of debate, It's totally fruitless the persistance of keeping the position of a one-man standing against a battalion, in this case the one-man stand is analogue to the keeper of the true trully truth (without evidence) and the enemy batallion should be the all mighty demon anti-crusaders skeptical ones. This is nonsence and this is not valid for a healthy dialogue, and more important, it's adverse to the dissecation and understanding of this social and cultural phenomena.

    Personally speaking, and for Mr. FredMar's discontentment or contentment, I am indeed a skeptic, but one that thinks that there is abundant life in the universe. How can this be, Mr Fred, about this antagonism? Am I a traitor to the skeptics or to the believers?

    Forward,... geocentrism would be perhaps the term you were trying to use, and Galileu was probably the paladin you were trying to impersonate, but as Galileu was really proving that earth is not the center of the universe, Galileu was "fighting" against a dogmatic mentality chained to "suposed" facts, precisely what is stated while speaking about Roswell Ufo theory. There are no precise facts nor evidences about Roswell, so, if one stands forward this conjectures as dogmas, one is doing exactly what the church was doing against Gallileu's theory about the universe. By this, what you're saying Mr Fred is totally in contradiction, because you're rejecting the most probable hypothesis (cold war and social bahaviours) in expense of a statement based on suposed but not proved facts. The negation of geocengtical beliefs was not based on a dogmatic assertion but by being skeptical about a point of view that had too many failures and contradictions.

    Finally, panspermia is one of the best debated, modern theories about life on universe actually being scientifically studied. Personally I believe in this theory, not specially because it's being accepted by scientifcal community but mostly because what we know by nature has it's tools to make life travelling in great distances and in the most adverse conditions, we have the earthly examples, why could not be possible an interplanetary similar way?

    So, I am a "believer" in extra-life, but that doesn't mean Roswell Incident is the proof of one.

    My Best Regards,

    José Pedro Gomes

    By Blogger Zé Tomes, at Wednesday, September 02, 2009  

  • PS: The last piece of my text tried to illustrate the devices "nature" uses to expand life itself beyond frontiers.

    Like for example the coconut seed (coconut) travelling milles in sea with it's genetic purpose to find an island so it could port and grow;

    the dry dendalion flower wich produces seeds that like helicopters or parachutes could travel hundreds of meters on air using the wind and expanding their area of propagation;

    the rolling devil seeds, the ones we usually see in the desertic movie landscapes rolling like a wheel on a stormy day moved by the wind, could travell months and still be kept alive without cosuming a single drop of water.

    If this is true, wich it is, Nature adapts itself to the surronding and extra-enviroment (beyond it's field) creating tools that exploit that same enviroment in a productive way expanding it's frontiers and probability of survival, at this point I think It's plausible to say that there could be in fact extra-devices Nature gathered to survive, like comets transporting water and life through the cold and inospit void inside it's icy and protective shell.

    The weirdest thing, is the hypothesis that what we call our earthling life could be in fact exterior

    By Blogger Zé Tomes, at Wednesday, September 02, 2009  

  • From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Nickel titanium (NiTi) is a shape memory alloy also commonly referred to by the name, Nitinol, derived from its place of discovery (Nickel Titanium Naval Ordnance Laboratory). William Buehler along with Frederick Wang, discovered its properties during research at the Naval Ordnance Laboratory in 1962.[1]
    The discovery of the shape-memory effect dates to 1932 when Swedish researcher Arne Olader first observed the property in gold-cadmium alloys. The material, if deformed while cool, returns to its undeformed shape when warmed.

    By Blogger Bindu, at Sunday, September 06, 2009  

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