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Thursday, October 22, 2009

Roswell, White Sands and the V-2 Saga: The Controversy Continues by Nick Redfern


On Saturday, October 17, 2009, Kevin Randle posted to his blog - A Different Perspective - a new article titled The Roswell UFO and Jesse Marcel.

The article has generated a tremendous number of comments, including one from Bob Koford, who cited a link to a British website that referenced the crash of a V-2 rocket near Roswell, New Mexico on July 4, 1947 - a rocket containing a "biological payload."

The relevant data can be found at:


The "biological payload" should not be construed as having any connections with alien bodies, human bodies or monkeys, however (at the time at issue, rats, insects and other small creatures were very much the order of the day with respect to the payloads aboard the V-2 flights out of White Sands). And, indeed, it must be stressed that Bob K did not imply that the payload was anything out of the ordinary.

What is worthy of further comment, however, is that this is not the first time the V-2 crash at issue has been linked with the events that have become known as "The Roswell Incident."

Up until now, however, the story I am about to relate has remained curiously absent from the ufological research field. Why, I do not know; since those who had an awareness of it all those years ago could have easily spilled the beans back then.

Many readers of this post will be very surprised to learn that, around a decade ago, select portions of a draft-document of questionable origins were made available to a number of UFO researchers across the United States - a document supposedly having been written by (and "leaked" by) a CIA source known as the "Blue Boy." I was not one of those researchers; however, a copy of the draft was made available to me six or seven years ago.

Highly dubious of its validity, however, I have not highlighted it until now.

Eight-pages of the document - which is titled UFO Reports and Classified Projects: The CIA Perspective - have been made available thus far; one section of which references the events at Roswell, and the aforementioned V-2 crash.

The relevant section states:

"...Another rule of secrecy was: You always camouflage your operations from prying eyes. It was not widely known to many that the Air Force and Navy were conducting classified rocket-launched reconnaissance payloads from White Sands, New Mexico, which failed to reach orbiting altitudes and subsequently crashed off range and generated considerable public interest in the United States and abroad.

"As part of a top secret Air Force atomic weapons detection project called MOGUL involving radiation dispersal in the atmosphere, selected monitoring sites across the United States were not acknowledged to by the Air Force and Central Intelligence Group (CIG) and as a result, wreckage from one of the payloads was accidentally discovered by a sheep rancher not far from the Air Force’s Roswell Army Air Field.

"Also, another fact not widely known among military intelligence was that CIG had planned to utilize artificial meteor strikes as decoy devices ejected from V-2 warheads at 60 miles above the earth to record dispersal trajectories and possible psychological warfare weapons against the Soviets in the advent of a war in Europe.

"One of the projects underway at that time incorporated re-entry vehicles containing radium and other radioactive materials combined with biological warfare agents developed by I.G. Farben for use against allied assault forces in Normandy in 1944.

"When a V-2 warhead impacted near the town of Corona, New Mexico, on July 4, 1947, the warhead did not explode and it and the deadly cargo lay exposed to the elements which forced the Armed Forces Special Weapons Project to close off the crash site and a cover story was immediately put out that what was discovered was the remains of a radar tracking target suspended by balloons.

"In 1994 and again in 1995, the Air Force published what it considered the true account of what lay behind the Roswell story but omitted the radiological warhead data for obvious reasons.

"It may also be pointed out here that this kind of experiment was very similar to those conducted by the Atomic Energy Commission and the military in the late 1940’s. It was known in the CIA that the Soviets were conducting the same kind of radiological and biological warfare experiments in the early 1950’s after their successful detonation of a [sic] atomic bomb based on stolen documents and materials from Los Alamos forwarded to Moscow by communist espionage agents in the United States."

And there ends the relevant section of the "Blue Boy's" initial draft. Of course, leaked documents, unauthenticated documents, and those of questionable and unidentified origins, are the absolute bane of Ufology..

Do I think that the above-document answers all of the hard-to-resolve questions pertaining to what really happened at Roswell on that fateful day way back in July 1947? No, I do not - at all. Rather, I think it's just yet another carefully-crafted paper designed to provoke utter confusion.

Of course, it's interesting that the "Blue Boy" suggested - as do most Roswell authors and researchers - that the Roswell events involved more than one crash-site: in this case, however, one involving a V-2 rocket and one involving a Mogul balloon; but both in the same time-frame, and relatively close proximity.

Whether the work of (A) disinformation specialists from the shadowy world of officialdom, (B) private purveyors of fakery with unknown agendas, or (C) pathetic Walter Mitty-type fantasists with low self-esteem, I know not. I merely present the above because the story of the V-2 crash of July 4, 1947 - as it relates to Roswell - is once again being discussed in a ufological forum.

It's perhaps apt to close with the words of Sir Walter Scott: "I cannot tell how the truth may be; I say the tale as 'twas said to me."


  • I would say the answer is B.
    Someone has decided to go one better than the MJ-12 papers, but with a different, and more credible, theme.

    By Blogger cda, at Friday, October 23, 2009  

  • Anthony Bragalia adds addenda to Nick Redfern's post here:

    Nick has confirmed to...me that the V-2 document that he cites was circulated by now -discredited "researcher" Tim Cooper.

    Nick must be aware that on April 03, 2009 in an email to Robert Hastings, Tim Cooper confessed that he had no faith in any of the documents on UFOs and Roswell that he had previously promoted. Cooper now says that all of the "documents" that he was previously associated with are questionable or are outright fabrications.

    Cooper recants his prior "work" and now says "the MJ-12 documents are a hoax and that those who promote them as reality know this, or should know this." Of "Project Serpo" he says: "It is pure science fiction." He speaks disparagingly of "documents" found in the book "Exempt from Disclosure." He explains that he has ceased association with Robert Collins/Doty. Cooper admits that articles that he had authored about James Jesus Angleton's supposed UFO involvement were only "speculative pieces." This stunning "confessional email" from Cooper to Hastings is archived on Frank Warren's site, UFO Chronicles. Strangely it has not received the attention it deserves.

    So the Roswell V-2 document that Nick mentions was received by Tim Cooper, and then Cooper privately circulated it in the mid 1990s. Cooper now disavows all of his prior associations with any of his UFO/Roswell related documents. So the V-2 document is necessarily a complete fabrication.

    It is interesting to me that all of these various "Body Snatcher" or "nuke accident" Roswell scenarios began to emerge in the mid-1990s. It cannot be mere coincidence that this is the very time period in which the genuine revelations about radiation experiments in our nation's history were exposed by the US Office of Human Radiation Experiments of the DOE. Some pranksters obviously had "taken off" on this concept and created hoax scenarios to support "terrestrial experimental accident" scenarios to explain the Roswell crash and subsequent coverup. They were "playing on a theme" that was resultant from the congressional inquiries on government radiation experiments that had developed by 1994. They then weaved these "horrific government experiment" themes into their own fictional Roswell UFO scenarios. To me it is obvious. This is where all of the irradiated midget, Asian, V-2 nuke accident, crippled little-people type scenarios emanate from: Someone's imagination.

    And those who are creating these hoax documents -whether they support or put into question Roswell as an ET event- are the result of somebody with too much time on their hands. It has no deeper meaning than that. These documents do not lead to truth. And they aren't even "disinformation." They serve no purpose but to amuse the anonymous perpetrators with what they wish would be- not what is. Such is the nature of many hoaxes. And the "fun" of such pranks does not come from admission to them, it comes from the reaction to them.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, October 24, 2009  

  • Does this revelation mean that Nick Redfern will now recant all his ideas about the Roswell crash, i.e those involving deformed and diseased Japanese POWs being used for nefarious experiments in New Mexico & elsewhere?

    By Blogger cda, at Saturday, October 24, 2009  

  • CDA:

    No of course I won't be changing my views.


    Well, specifically because (if you re-read my post), I say about the document that: "...Do I think that the above-document answers all of the hard-to-resolve questions pertaining to what really happened at Roswell on that fateful day way back in July 1947? No, I do not - at all."

    In other words, I don't think this answers any questions about Roswell. So why would I change my mind if i don't think it answers any questions - at all?

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Sunday, October 25, 2009  

  • Tony:

    I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make. It sounds like you think I'm in disagreement with you re most of this story.

    I'm not.

    I specifically pointed out that the reason I brought this document to people's attention was not because I think it's real (I said I was highly dubious of it), but because the story of the alleged V2 crash in July 1947 is being mentioned again in a ufological/Roswell forum.

    And, as you'll see at the end of my post, I offer 3 scenarios that might answer the questions re what might be the motivation for the document.

    None of those 3 scenarios involves the document being literally a real document.

    However, we will continue to differ re the Body Snatchers angle.

    The new (official) documents I cited in my Darklore III article that updates my original book are one of the reasons.

    The fact that these documents refer to the death of a young boy in the late 1940s (in Lincoln County, NM, no less) from a rat-bite that caused him to die from plague is significant.


    Because the files ask if the plague could have been deliberately brought to the US, via Japanese balloon, resulting from Unit 731 experiments with infected rats as a cargo - to spread plague in the US.

    The Lincoln County files on the death of the boy were shared with practically the whole ABC of agencies in the US.

    How interesting that files should now be surfaciing that DO make a connection between Unit 731 and "Roswell Central" Lincoln County.

    Also, the boy's body was taken to Fort Stanton. Much more info will be surfacing soon on Fort Stanton and the Roswell affair.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Monday, October 26, 2009  

  • How easy or hard would it be to get records of people who lived and died in the area with those dates. How many died of cancer related issues? If the V-2 is NOT a complete fabrication which it is according to RRRGroup. They have made some very convincing points.

    By Blogger trace, at Tuesday, September 28, 2010  

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