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Saturday, August 14, 2010

With God/Jesus dead, where lies theology?


It is exceedingly clear, to those with normal reasoning powers, that God – the reality of an incarnate God anyway – and Jesus as God have been rationally demolished.

Certainly, the idea of a Supreme Force or Creative Entity remains intact for philosophers, theologians, and even physicists.

But for everyone else, the existence of God and Jesus as His beneficent offspring is, or should be, a matter of idle conjecture and/or insane belief.

The God of the Hebrew Bible was a maniac. Jesus of the New Testament was a deluded prophet, or a transitional divine entity whose living presence has become an exoteric concept for the intellectually deficient.


Jesus/Christ, as a concept, is useful and interesting, insofar as He provided, like K’ung fu tzu (Confucius) and other avatarae who’ve dispensed enlightened wisdom for humanity.

But as a Divinity, with eternal existence and salvational dispensation, He has lost His cachet for rational human beings.

God, as represented by Yahweh, in the Old Testament, is not like Allah in the Koran.


Allah is nearer to what philosophers deal with, as the mysterious First Cause.

Yahweh is a metaphorical nightmare.

Jesus doesn’t identify with Yahweh, or the God above God. Jesus merely behaves like the character in Michael Moorcock’s “Behold the Man.”


If one takes away the assumed divinity of Yahweh and Jesus, and recognizes the gods of Hinduism or Greek Mythology, along with the Mormon divinity or other imagined presences thought to be divine as erroneous, what is left?

A residue of mythology – which is accurate or true, in essence, as Carl Jung and Joseph Campbell made abundantly clear.


So what happened in the aetiology of human religious beliefs?

That is, what caused mankind to cogitate upon the Divine Entities that allegedly interacted with humans and show up in the precipitative stages of human history?

Erich von Daniken’s “ancient astronaut” theory is an acceptable alternative to the divinity origins of early human design, and makes the most sense, if one examines the hypothesis,


Are there other alternative theories or theologies addressing the incarnate God idea?

Mac Tonnies, recently deceased Science Fiction writer, conjectured in his posthumous book, The Cryptoterrestrials, that there is another, concomitant race of beings inhabiting the Earth along side humans.


(Mr. Tonnies didn’t proffer a conjecture that his race of cryptoterrestrials account for the religious-oriented divinities, but the hint is there.)

E. J. Hammond’s “Parallel Beings and the Gods of Yore” proposes that entities from other dimensions (qua universes) account for the Divine reminiscences of early chroniclers of tracts that have become the bases for various religions.

Gnostic writings of the early Christian era present a theology explaining the nature of Yahweh, Jesus, and other gods that make up the pleroma.


The Gnostic view, however, is just a muddy as the Jewish/Christian theologies, and just as unsubstantiated.

Unfortunately, all religious or paranormal presentations of a Divine presence, in the early accounts of humanity or even today, fall short of credible acceptance by persons with acute thinking faculties.

Thus atheism and agnosticism have attained a healthy cachet among scientific writers and thinkers who skirt the issues of religion and philosophical theology.


But something happened to create the God myths of early man.

If it wasn’t a truly Divine Being, what was it?


  • I think humanity is fully capable of conjuring all sorts of complex mythologies based on little more than its own imagination. I don't think we need to look to religion as a parable for extraterrestrial intervention. It could never be proven anyway. It's great for the Ancient Astronaut group because the vagueness of all these ancient stories (through our lack of understanding or otherwise) creates a sort of Rorshcach upon which their imaginations can pin all types of hypostheses, which they will rarely test.

    On another note: "Moorcock" (snicker, snicker).

    By Blogger Cullan Hudson, at Sunday, August 15, 2010  

  • C:

    Moorcock is the bomb, as they say in the U.K.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, August 15, 2010  

  • You daid:
    Jesus doesn’t identify with Yahweh, or the God above God. Jesus merely behaves like the character in Michael Moorcock’s “Behold the Man.”

    Joh 11:41, 42 RSV

    So they took away the stone. Jesus lifted up his head and said, "Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. 42 I knew that thou hearest me always, but I have said this on account of the people standing by, that they may believe that thou didst send me."

    It seems clear to me that he indeed does know YHWH, and identifies with him too.

    By Blogger Bob Koford, at Sunday, August 15, 2010  

  • Bob:

    I suggest you get a copy of Bart Ehrman's "Jesus Interrupted" to see why your attribution doesn't hold.

    Ehrman is a noted evangelical theologian and scholar, as you know.

    He's now an agnostic.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, August 15, 2010  

  • This info taken from

    By Vorjack

    "If you’re looking for detailed arguments, look elsewhere. Unfortunately, Ehrman’s endnotes are weak and he frequently references his own works, so you’ll have to look elsewhere on your own."


    "Ehrman is better at tearing down simplistic Christianity than he is at building up a more mature faith."

    Not sure how much stock to put in his musings. Jesus called YHWH by name also (see for instance Mat 4:10 Ky'rios inserted instead of proper name, except for NWT).

    Thanks for the article.

    By Blogger Bob Koford, at Sunday, August 15, 2010  

  • Vorjack:

    Sure, Ehrman has his critics, but one has to admit that the words attributed to Jesus in the NT have been interpolated by persons hoping to augment the Faith.

    Jesus' sayings are not verifiable.

    For me, the crux of the problem lies in the "fact" that Jesus hasn't returned, as promised, and is pretty much absent, like God in the machinations of humankind.

    The Hidden Face of God by Richard Elliott Friedman also deals with this absence by the Divinity.

    Of course, something happened in the Jesus episode. His disciples went through a lot, which no sane person would do unless they believed or knew that Jesus was who they thought he was: the Son of God, resurrected and alive again.

    Our thesis is that God is dead, and not in the Nietzsche sense, but actually dead. And Jesus now also, as the Divine presence is no longer visible.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, August 15, 2010  

  • BTW, and not to interject too much levity into the discussion, but if God is dead... Can I have his things?

    By Blogger Cullan Hudson, at Monday, August 16, 2010  

  • C:

    They'll be on eBay, where everyone will have a crack at getting some of God's goodies.

    (Jesus' things will appear at Big Lots.)


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, August 16, 2010  

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