UFO Conjecture(s)

Tuesday, September 14, 2010

Defending Roswell/UFO "witnesses" and Anthony Bragalia (in a roundabout way)


CDA, Gilles, Don, et al….

Andy Warhol’s dictum about “15 minutes of fame” doesn’t just apply to current society. It also can be retro-fitted to the late 70s, 80s, and even the 1950s.

Contactees were emboldened to seek fame (more so than fortune) and concocted their stories to achieve it.

The Roswell old-timers, who have or had no significant legacy to hang their isolated lives on, also, in many cases (if not all), have decided to attached themselves to the Roswell episode.

Even nice old-ladies are not immune to such “innocent” skullduggery.

Anthony Bragalia, Joseph Capp, and a few others feel a kind of compassion for these people and believe that these nice folks couldn’t or wouldn’t confabulate or lie, especially on their death beds.

But the historical evidence indicates that nice people lie, and death bed confessions are fraught with all kinds of caveats, because of dementia and the state of mind at death, as Elizabeth Kubler-Ross’s work shows.

However, what Anthony Bragalia has uncovered are subliminal clues that indicate something strange happened at Roswell in 1947, something stranger than what the Mogul explanation purports or even what the extraterrestrial account indicates.

There is a sub rosa set of occurrences that show an environment in Roswell and its aftermath which portend something weirder than what has been thus far reported.

And Mr. Bragalia’s witness testimonies are where those sub rosa clues reside, even inside the testimony that is flawed. (Witnesses who outright lie have to have a “seed” from which they formulate their falsehoods. Even their prevarications can contain something worthwhile. It may be harder to discern that something, but it’s there for adept researchers.)

Mr. Bragalia’s problem ,if it is a problem, is that he’s holding back some of what he’s uncovered, because it is premature to accept the “profound” conclusions that one would have to draw from what is “hinted” or because he (Mr. Bragalia) is planning a book.

It’s frustrating surely. We’re frustrated that the denouement of Roswell remains open by trepidation on Mr. Bragalia's part and also that of a few other UFO researchers, who have reasons to be cautious of their finding(s).

The need to be absolutely concrete in the ultimate Roswell explanation is paramount for these researchers as they don’t want the deal-killing opprobrium of die-hard skeptics or outright debunkers.

The Roswell incident(s) lie in an Alice in Wonderland context, unfortunately. And this makes conclusive remarks harder to come by. But we understand that Mr. Bragalia (and a few others) are on the brink of a break-through, one that will finally answer the Roswell question(s) and provide an answer (or portion of answer) to the UFO enigma.


  • Sorry, but I am not persuaded that Mr Bragalia, or any of the others you refer to, is on the verge of a 'breakthrough' on Roswell.

    We have heard this time & time again since the first book in 1980, and all it ever amounts to is further anecdotal testimony. OK so maybe (just maybe) Bragalia is going to produce something more than this, (such as documents, hardware or bodies) and is waiting for the right moment to announce it.

    Alas I remain a skeptic on Roswell. I simply do not believe that anything Tony Bragalia produces on this case is going to alter the course of science or cause us to view the universe any differently. MJ-12 was one bold attempt, the autopsy film was another. And the few pieces of hardware that have turned up were useless.

    That is my firm view. But we shall have to see what develops.

    By Blogger cda, at Tuesday, September 14, 2010  

  • Christopher...

    I feel your pain.

    From what I've been privy to, there does seem to be a few things that are Roswell-realted that opens the matter to a new assessment.

    But I, like you, will not be holding my breath.

    There remains trepidation on the part of Mr. Bragalia (you and others have made him gun-shy?) to bring forth preliminary information that can't quite be nailed down at the moment.

    I understand his hesitancy. But life is an adventure, and nothing ventured, nothing gained,


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, September 14, 2010  

  • CDA -

    MJ-12 and the Alien Autopsy were hardly "bold attempts" at truth - they were frauds. My material - and forthcoming research- is not.

    Please, for god's sake - why would you lump me in with those scams?

    Remember CDA that truth comes in three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Finally, it is regarded as self-evident.

    Realize the truth, CDA.


    By Anonymous Anthony Bragalia, at Tuesday, September 14, 2010  

  • Waoooo !
    Tony uses an Arthur Schopenhauer's quote now!
    Well, dont panic Tony, sensationnalism proponent's books have always a success.
    The problem is when Skeptics are verifying its content.
    But who cares about skeptics and verifications?
    The damage is done...

    By Blogger Gilles. F., at Tuesday, September 14, 2010  

  • RR,

    The reason I read and post to this forum is for Anthony's articles. Like him, I sense something other than the common understanding of Roswell. Unlike Anthony I cannot do Roswell field work, and, having no connections to the "old geezers" (Hey, I'm 65!) of Ufology have no access to their unpublished files. So, I parse through the texts. The amount of information I have not found in the published work is simply astounding, considering the decades of investigations. I mean little details of provenance, and the questions one wants as a follow-up to the previous answer. These bits and pieces I collect, like Bill Brazel said he collected bits of debris and kept in a cigar box. I don't know enough and don't have access to files that might help me to fit it all together.

    So, I pick at threads hanging off the garment of the stories. Little things that those looking for a "smoking gun" (or its absence) ignore.

    "And Mr. Bragalia’s witness testimonies are where those sub rosa clues reside, even inside the testimony that is flawed."

    Why I said don't dismiss flawed testimony and that the truth can be encapsulated in error. Sometimes the outline of lies will delineate the shape of the truth.

    I wish Anthony the best. I'll wait for the book, if I have to.


    By Blogger Sourcerer, at Tuesday, September 14, 2010  

  • Don,

    You make many good points, and they all are worthwhile.

    But going into pseudo-science or the etiology of the unconscious would take us away from Mr. Bragalia's posting points pretty much.

    But keep those broadsides coming.

    We all love a good "fight."


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, September 14, 2010  

  • RR (who "with patient angle trolls the finney deep") wrote:

    We all love a good "fight."

    Not mine to fight. Whenever someone posts an unfalsifiable opinion and claim it is proof, readers can reach their conclusions without my help. Or not.

    Aren't there old geezer skeptics? Aren't there old geezer skeptical arguments? Maybe someone with old geezer ufological arguments will show up and debate Mogul with them.


    By Blogger Sourcerer, at Tuesday, September 14, 2010  

  • "Aren't there old geezer skeptics? Aren't there old geezer skeptical arguments? Maybe someone with old geezer ufological arguments will show up and debate Mogul with them."

    Seems not too many people know much of the details of the USAF reports on Roswell. I think both sides should be thoroughly familiar with it.

    By Blogger Frank Stalter, at Tuesday, September 14, 2010  

  • I agree that nice people lie but people who go public about Roswell get attacked. Also people who go public about Roswell who live in Corona have to deal with their neighbors and their children and grandchildren in school. If you don't think they get harrased you live in a very secluded world.
    I think that some of them may have lied but I think that should not be the way we handle UFO witnesses, as if they are all looking for UFO fame. According to Chuck Wade who lived in Corona and who's father owned the Corona Bar. Because of the attacks on those who came forward many in the area will not talk about their experiences and according to chuck some of them would be important to the case. So when you start out attacking UFO witness statements you have to be very fair and balanced otherwise you are doing great damage to the potential sincere UFO witness out there who may come forward.
    Some witnesses embroider their experiences I think Stan Romanek is a prime example of this.
    I just published a examination of his equation by a physicist and they are real problems with it but that doesn't negate the experiences Stan had while in groups and with researchers.
    We all live in the real world and when money is involved you may have good witnesses who elaborate just for the camera or to sell more books.
    Thanks great article
    UFO Media Matters

    By Blogger Joseph Capp, at Wednesday, September 15, 2010  

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