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Friday, November 19, 2010

Jenny Randle's segment about the Cumberland Spaceman and Woomera sighting of 1964 on BBC-TV's "Secrets of the Paranormal"

Jenny Randles is one the few bona fide UFO researchers in the world. Here is her investigation of the Templeton Solway Firth (Cumberland) "spaceman" photo and concomitant Woomera (Australia) sighting of a similar being.

(Nick Pope is interviewed also.)


Disclose.tv - the cumberland spaceman 1964 Video

8 Comments:

  • Jenny Randles has established that a UFO (i.e. an object, not a 'spaceman') was seen near a Blue Streak rocket launch at Woomera on some date in 1964.

    We do not know what the object was, and no film of it is publicly known. There is no connection between this UFO and the 'spaceman' photographed by Jim templeton in Cumbria in May 1964, other than the fact that:

    1. The 'spaceman' was photographed at a spot some 25 miles from the site where Blue Streak was test fired. (The site was well off to the north-east from Burgh Marsh).

    2. Some unknown object was supposedly seen near an actual rocket launch at Woomera on approximately (?) the same date.

    Since there was no real investigation of the UFO incident, why should we connect the two incidents? Perhaps the UFO was something quite mundane. We cannot say.

    I suspect this is a case of false association, and false reasoning.

    There have been other UFOs appearing mysteriously at rocket launches. Personally I do not consider this 'connection' worth pursuing. It appears Nick Pope (at that time) did not either. He may well think differently now, but that is another matter. Jenny Randles may also feel less excited by this case now than she did then.

    I seem to remember seeing this TV show but forget when it first went out.

    The two guys who met Mr Templeton sound like impostors to me. Similar to the old 'men in black' tales.

    By Blogger cda, at Friday, November 19, 2010  

  • Christopher:

    The synchronous aspects of the Solway Firth photograph and the Woomera incident (or just the missile connection -- The Blue Streak) make for an interesting interplay.

    Coupled with the Socorro event -- two coveralled beings -- one month earlier also allows for conjectural pursuit.

    Templeton is credible and his visitation by Men in Black, which Niok Redfern is doing a book on (that will be published in early 2011) -- MIB's generally, not just the Templeton visitors, create an environment for reactive scrutiny.

    Both stories -- the Woomera sighting and Templeton's photograph -- are juicy enough to avoid easy dismissal.

    That's always been the problem with UFOs: researchers dabble and then move on when they can't, because of short-sightedness, proceed.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, November 19, 2010  

  • RR
    "That's always been the problem with UFOs: researchers dabble and then move on when they can't, because of short-sightedness, proceed."

    Too often, yes, and that is all Ms Randles has done here, "dabble".

    Investigating a case which exists at all because of a photograph, does she secure the negative? She does not. Does she analyse the existing prints? She does not. Does she investigate the several stories about the history of the photographs (the chemist, Kodak, the reward)? She does not. Does she ask for the other two prints and the negatives supposedly shot the same time? She does not. Instead she is off onto Blue Streak and Woomera...the Solway Firth bunny trail.

    This is not to be taken seriously. It is the essence of "dabbling".

    Regards,

    Don

    By Blogger Sourcerer, at Saturday, November 20, 2010  

  • Don:

    Jenny Randle's may not be the ultimate "ufologist" but she is better by a mile than many of those who have accumulated cachet in the UFO community.

    (You can find that slacker group at UFO UpDates, the so-called "List.")

    Also, the Woomera event is integral, in my mind, to the Templeton photograph.

    Your note covers what hasn't been delinated about that photograph and incident, but Randles, and we late-comers can't go further with the Templeton story (and photo).

    It has been mined, like Roswell, so that nothing of value still exists.

    But Woomera....now there's a place with a UFO history and maybe a connection to the Solway Firth spaceman.

    Randles was smart enough to recognize that.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, November 21, 2010  

  • "It has been mined, like Roswell, so that nothing of value still exists."

    and

    "Also, the Woomera event is integral, in my mind, to the Templeton photograph."

    And, I point out, you do not have a photograph.

    Analogizing to archeology: What serious 21st century researchers have to deal with is the detritus piled up by the previous century's treasure hunters. The treasure hunters searched for gold and jewels, digging deep and tossing anything not recognizably valuable into a pile -- their own midden.

    Later on, disciplined researchers find their trash heaps, bits of pottery, scraps of fabric, crumbled bits of tablets, to be valuable -- or they would be if they were still in situ (their provenance).

    Roswell is a good example of that. In this forum I've noted some things that investigators apparently haven't even noticed in 30 years.

    Indiana Jones should not be a role model for ufologists.

    Regards,

    Don

    By Blogger Sourcerer, at Sunday, November 21, 2010  

  • Don:

    No one thinks, do they, that the bevy of ufologists over the years have done anything other than muck up UFO sightings and events with their muddled approach to "research."

    They, like the early archeologists you cite, have made a mess of things.

    A new breed of UFO researchers may re-examine the UFO detritus that lies strewn about the landscape but it takes a really discerning eye and mind to make sense of what is still extant.

    Jenny Randles, David Clarke, Nick Redfern (all Brits) are good at analyzing UFO things past.

    But it still requires a connection of the dots to make sense of what has transpired in days gone by.

    The Templeton "spaceman" photo and its link to Woomera is still ripe for interpretation, in my estimation.

    If someone would zero in on the incidents, they might discover something important -- maybe not about the UFO phenomenon itself but something pertinent to what is going on and has been going on with humanity and the Earth since the beginning of life here.

    Vallee is on to something perhaps as was Mac Tonnies with his "cryptoterrestrial" hypothesis.

    While you look at things with discernment, most in the UFO community do not.

    Jenny Randles went as far as she thought she could with the Templeton affair and Woomera, dissuaded by David Clarke I'm afraid, but she did much, before losing interest, that is grist for someone new to take a look back and see what was missed and what might still be available to resolve the mystery.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, November 21, 2010  

  • But where is the alleged Woomera photograph? Who was the person who told Jenny Randles about it? Who told Jim Templeton about it? Finally, was the sighting at Woomera of a UFO or a 'space being'?

    The case bristles with problems. We do not even know the date of the Woomera affair.

    The 'connection' consists solely of the fact that, allegedly, a sighting of a 'spaceman' occurred at about the same time as Templeton's photo, and that fact that the same rockets were test fired at approximately the same locations.

    We need to go much further than this, but I seriously doubt anyone is interested now.

    By Blogger cda, at Sunday, November 21, 2010  

  • Yes, CDA, where is the Woomera photograph or incident report that Ms. Randles started to look for?

    It's a UFO side-bar I admit, but an interesting one (for a few) and should be pursued, still, by those with interest in UFO minutiae or arcanity.

    After all, Roswell is not the only UFO episode that evokes awe or wonder.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, November 21, 2010  

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