UFO Conjectures

Monday, November 22, 2010


A criticism, again, of UFO UpDates can be found at several of our blogs:

The UFO Provocateur(s)

The RRRGroup

The UFO Underground

The UFO Anarchists

The UFO Agnostics

The UFO Nihilists

(A slight case of over-kill? We think not. UpDates needs to be eradicated.)


  • I have nothing to say about "The List" or its denizens. I recognize some names there from usenet groups, is about all I know about it. The discussions rarely interest me.

    In my limited experience, I've encountered several issues with how ufos are discussed.

    Over-familiarity and desensitization, especially or perhaps entirely the result of the www beginning in the mid-1990s which corresponds to the timeframe of the 50th anniversary of the Roswell incident. One result is the habit of "glossing" what one reads or investigates, with what one already knows (or thinks one knows).

    Failure to fact-check, assuming it has already been done because a "credible" investigator wrote it.

    Legalistic rhetoric (witness, affidavit, testimony) by advocates and the skeptic's parrying with the rhetoric of the expert witness, espcially regarding "memory".

    It's like mock-UN in junior high.

    Pretending to be knowledgeable on issues of theoretical physics when you are not a theoretical physicist (physics, ok, but not 'theoretical').

    "Science" as in ufology as a science, which really means academic recognition which is where the funding is. After all, if someone can get tens of thousands of dollars for merely studying calcium uptake in scoripon claws, shouldn't you get at least the same for a project about your "earth shaking discovery?"

    I've already mentioned elsewhere here the "archeology" problem.

    Piling on. Your case, with one or two questionable sources, will not be improved by finding twenty more just as questionable.

    Dare to be an amateur! Rediscover the old nobility of the avocation. Don't suck up to academics.

    “There is nothing as deceptive as an obvious fact”


    “The world is full of obvious things which nobody by any chance ever observes”

    Recommended reading:

    Name of the Rose -- Umberto Eco

    Complete Sherlock Holmes, A.C. Doyle



    By Blogger Sourcerer, at Wednesday, November 24, 2010  

  • enough already... leave the old people alone.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Friday, November 26, 2010  

  • "A slight case of over-kill? We think not. UpDates needs to be eradicated."

    UFO UpDates needs to be eradicated?!?

    Should we call in Billy the Exterminator?

    Why use such strong language, and why do you think a UFO discussion group deserves to be eradicated?

    That sounds kind of... over the top and extremist. What's your beef with them?

    By Anonymous Curious Fellow, at Friday, November 26, 2010  

  • Curious:

    "Eradicated" is a bit strong.

    We should have used "ignored" perhaps.

    UpDates is a place where UFO mavens go to be sliced up by a group of codgers who think they know things about UFOs.

    But the reality is that they are dead in the water and irrelevant.

    Content at UpDates is an amalgam of crap and self-serving detritus.

    Check it out for yourself to see what we mean.

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, November 26, 2010  

  • “We must become the change we want to see.” - Mahatma Gandhi

    By Blogger Frank Stalter, at Tuesday, November 30, 2010  

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