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Friday, December 03, 2010

US ARMY'S SECRET UFO STUDY: "SOME ARE INTERPLANETARY" by Anthony Bragalia

Copyright 2010, InterAmerica, Inc. [Permission needed to print this article in its entirety]

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Over six decades ago the leaders who commanded our nation's Army had reached a stunning conclusion about the unknown vehicles that were flying with impunity over the world's skies. Based on their studies and observations, they had determined that some of these vehicles were in fact arriving from other planets. These UFO files have been confirmed as authentic by the US Government. Decades later however, they remain secret and unavailable to the public. The distinguished military leaders that have been implicated in this hidden UFO project include such historical figures as General Douglas MacArthur, General George C. Marshall and General Charles A. Willoughby.

US GOVERNMENT ADMITS THE STUDIES EXISTED

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Some thirty years ago the late researcher Richard Hall (who was associated with the UFO civilian research groups MUFON and NICAP) had become aware of the existence of a US Army military unit that was active in the 1940's and 1950's. Through his research and sources he had determined that the name of this study unit was the "Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit" or IPU. Ultimately the US Government itself would be forced to agree that they too had "institutional memory" of such UFO studies that were conducted by this illusive Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit.

On September 6, 1980 Hall filed a formal request under FOIA to the US Army. His was the first-ever FOIA requesting details on the IPU. Hall received a reply from the Office of the Chief of Staff for Intelligence. The next two significant FOIA requests came in the following years. Former researcher William Steinman received somewhat more detailed answers about the IPU from the same office on May 16, 1984. Still later (on March 12, 1987) the Army responded to author and researcher Timothy Good's request for additional information on the Unit.

These eye-opening documents are available for review here:

· Richard Hall FOIA Response, 1980

· William Steinman FOIA Response, 1984

· Timothy Good FOIA Response, 1987

WHAT THE ARMY ADMITS

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The US Army has made some rather startling official admissions about the IPU. We learn from information that has been collectively culled from these three documents that:

· The US Army confirms that within their Department of Counterintelligence there was in fact an "Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit" or IPU

· The IPU was "disestablished" in the late 1950's

· The IPU records were "surrendered" to the Air Force (AFOSI) in conjunction with Project Blue Book (confirming that the IPU dealt with the UFO phenomenon)

· The unit was an "in-house project" as an "interest item" for an unnamed Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence

· That the unit (they claim) lacked formal "function, mission or authority"

· That it is only through "institutional memory" that the Army knows of the IPU's existence

The Army's sparse responses to these researchers are disingenuous and they are internally inconsistent. And it was only after repeated inquiries over many years that the Army offered these tacit admissions about the IPU. They concur that there was an IPU- but they minimize its import and claim that they essentially know nothing more about it. They contradict themselves on this by revealing that the files did relate to UFOs (as they indicate that they were released to the Air Force's Project Blue Book.) But they do not say under whose auspice this was done nor how they know this to be so. And they tell us when the unit was "disestablished" but they will not indicate just how they know this to be true. They somehow know when the IPU ended, but they offer nothing about when it was established.

They said that it is through "institutional memory" that they know of the IPU. Their use of the phrase "institutional memory" is more than curious. "Institutional memory" is defined as the "facts, concepts and experiences that are held by a group of people over time." It transcends any one person- and it also requires the ongoing transmission of information within a group. The Army essentially admits that there are those within its ranks who remembered or had knowledge of the IPU.

So just who is it within the US Army and Air Force that knows about the Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit? What was said about the IPU - and who said it? The Army isn't saying.

And there are other very serious inconsistencies found in their FOIA replies about the IPU. Though they maintain that the IPU files were given to the Air Force's Project Blue Book, strangely there is no mention whatsoever of the IPU within the Blue Book archives! Moreover, former Blue Book Spokesperson Col. Bill Coleman, when questioned, said of the IPU that he had "never heard of it." And AFOSI itself has never released IPU files, though the Army maintains that is where they reside.

And the very term "Unit" in military parlance always reflects the involvement of more that one official. So there was necessarily a group of such Army officials that considered the phenomenon to originate off-planet, not simply one individual as the Army implies.

It took FOIA requests spanning over a decade to obtain any substantial details on IPU from the Army. It was not until the 1990's (see below) that the government then claimed that the IPU records were "destroyed." It took working through several different responders to FOIA requests to eke out "tidbits" of information about the IPU. And even then these tidbits were parsed out in increments. Officials ultimately resorted to having to say that the IPU records were just "gone."

It is now abundantly clear that the government is not being completely forthcoming about the Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit. The Army and the Air Force are pawning off responsibility for the IPU records on each other. It is evident that this obfuscation is purposeful and deliberate: If they were truthful and open, they would have to admit that from very early on, our nation's military and intelligence leaders had concluded that UFOs were from other planets.

WHAT THEY DO WHEN YOU ASK FOR MORE INFORMATION

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The civilian UFO research organization CUFON got "cookie cutter" responses to their dogged FOIA efforts to learn more about the IPU. They began an effort to locate records on the IPU in 1992. Five years later (in 1997) they reported that they had filed 20 FOIA requests and follow-up letters to the Army and related organizations. They determined that no matter what new information or additional sources that they provided about the Unit - and no matter what Agency they sent FOIA requests to - they were receiving back identically-worded, canned replies. They concluded that valid record searches were not being made and that this was in violation of FOIA law. Somehow these government agencies had collaborated together to develop standardized FOIA replies to requests about IPU. The government was now apparently exasperated and no longer even attempted to offer direct responses to specific questions about IPU.

AIR FORCE SAYS IPU RECORDS WERE DESTROYED; THEY WEREN'T...

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Incredibly -after years of others trying to get even an admission that there were IPU records- CUFON received a reply from the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI) claiming that the IPU material "had been destroyed" at some point in the past. However the Air Force could not (or would not) say who destroyed the files or why- and they did not offer any authority or source to CUFON for making such a claim. And this contradicts the findings of another researcher (see below) who found that the records were never marked "destroyed." And it of course contradicts the earliest FOIA responses about the IPU that hedged about "if any" records existed. It is of course inconceivable that such documents by such high-ranking military men would simply be destroyed without proper authority and without direct orders.

GENERAL DOUGLAS MACARTHUR

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LEGENDARY FIVE-STAR GENERAL DOUGLAS MACARTHUR

The Defense Central Index of Investigations (DCII) is a very little-known arm of the US Department of Defense. It is an "automated control index" that identifies and reports on investigations that have been conducted by all of the Department of Defense investigative agencies. This military and intelligence data center is one of the most complex and comprehensive in existence.

By the early 1980s, the late researcher John Frick of Melbourne, FL had become aware of a computer printout that was generated by the DCII that had related some historical UFO sightings and investigations, including those made under General Douglas MacArthur's command. The listing of sightings had curiously ended the very year that Douglas had left the South West Pacific Area Command. The first line of the short printout read: "01 INTERPLANETARY PHENOMENON UNIT" and the column which shows "DESTROYED" has been left blank.

Frick expanded on this in an article that appeared in the August 7, 1982 edition of The News World, the predecessor paper to the New York Tribune.) His research had also shown that in 1945 General Douglas MacArthur began an unusual project. He and others had started to compile and analyze reports of unidentified objects in areas under his command that were flying in the skies over the Phillipines and Japan. MacArthur's UFO investigations may have continued through 1951 or later. Frick also indicated that MacArthur himself had a sighting at Clark Field in the Phillipines of what MacArthur was certain was an alien vehicle. MacArthur had determined that some of these anomalous flying objects were of interplanetary origin. The IPU project -and MacArthur and his colleagues conclusions- had unfortunately been censored and they likely never made their way to Truman.

Frick indicated that one of his sources, the former AFOSI Agent Rudolph M. Schellhammer (now deceased) revealed to him that MacArthur's IPU files were transferred in 1962 to AFOSI. This author has confirmed that Rudolph Schellhammer was indeed a deep-cover AFOSI agent, in consulting with the Association of Former OSI Special Agents. The organization is a highly selective society of former Top-Secret-cleared agents that numbers just 114 members. Schellhammer was inducted into their Hall of Fame.

Remarkably, General MacArthur is quoted in 1955 in The New York Times, speaking to a university audience: "The nations of the world will have to unite- for the next war will be an interplanetary war. The nations of the earth must someday make a common front against attack from people from other planets." MacArthur expressed a very similar sentiment in remarks that he had delivered when speaking at West Point Military Academy in 1962.

MacArthur's use of the word "interplanetary" is very telling in light of the fact that it is the very name of his alleged project, the "Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit." He continues with this "interplanetary" clue with the use of his extraordinary phrase "people from other planets." Was he hinting to history about his involvement in the suppressed "Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit"?

The Army claimed that the IPU was an "interest item" for an unnamed "Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence" within the Army. General Douglas MacArthur's Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence was Colonel Charles A. Willoughby. Willoughby was later made Chief of MacArthur's Intelligence Staff. Willoughby and MacArthur were close for decades and Willoughby was ultimately elevated to the rank of Major General.

General Willoughby was at one time acquainted with Army Colonel Philip Corso, controversial Roswell embellisher. Perhaps Corso "picked up" some shreds of truth about the Roswell UFO crash from Willoughby and later enlarged on them. Willoughby was also known to have personally investigated UFO incidents long after he left the Army in the early 1950's and had retired to Naples, FL.

Was MacArthur working in tandem with Willoughby - or was Willoughby perhaps used as "cover" by MacArthur for his own UFO studies? This may be why a FOIA response from the Army to one researcher alluded to the IPU being associated with an unnamed "Army Assistant Director of Intelligence" during the time period. It is on purpose that they did not mention Willoughby by name, nor his boss, General Douglas MacArthur himself.

And author and researcher Timothy Good states that his sources had indicated that the IPU was actually not under the direct command of General Douglas MacArthur- but rather by someone from even higher headquarters. Good contends that it was in fact MacArthur's immediate superior General George C. Marshall (the Chief of Staff of the Army and later US Secretary of Defense) that had directed MacArthur's interplanetary UFO studies.

THE SUPPRESSED STUDIES

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These US Army studies on the UFO phenomenon may have been (as the Army suggests today) a "private affair" amongst high-ranking military and intelligence leaders. Perhaps such a "revealing" designation as the "Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit" was only "privately" used- and was only very selectively ever mentioned. It is possible that this was the concealed, "in-house" term for the project and that it referred to a body of studies and files that were less suggestively named - but that had nonetheless determined that the nature of the phenomenon was interplanetary. Whatever the case, the unit's work remains hidden.

Even today the US Army and Air Force is suppressing the release of these early UFO studies. It is vital that they be made public. They have not been "destroyed" as is now claimed. We must know from what basis our early military and intelligence leaders had concluded that the unknown vehicles traversing the skies were piloted by the unearthly.

A more "direct" method is being taken by this author to ascertain the truth about the Army's secret studies that will not be using further FOIA requests. It is hoped that this fresh approach to unraveling the IPU mystery will reveal just why these eminent warriors had determined that some UFO's had arrived from another world.

40 Comments:

  • I quote twice from your article.

    1. "We must know from what basis our early military and intelligence leaders had concluded that the unknown vehicles traversing the skies were piloted by the unearthly."

    2. "It is hoped that this fresh approach to unraveling the IPU mystery will reveal just why these eminent warriors had determined that some UFO's had arrived from another world".

    Regarding #1, how do you know they 'concluded' anything?

    Regarding #2, how do you know they 'determined' anything?

    Also, what great knowledge did Gen MacArthur possess that enabled him to determine that the objects were interplanetary? Or was he just interested in space travel in general (as I suspect).

    I suggest the IPU was just a private study group that disbanded when they realised they were getting nowhere.

    There was also the (in)famous "Estimate of the Situation", produced by a small group within Project Sign in Aug or Sept 1948, but thrown out by the guy at the top (General Vandenberg). Some ufologists attach great significance to this long destroyed and unofficial top secret 'Estimate'. Why not try filing an FOIA request for that? You may succeed where everyone else failed.

    By Blogger cda, at Saturday, December 04, 2010  

  • CDA -

    The very designation of the Unit was "Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit"! They called it Interplanetary" because that is the descriptor used by the unit to characterize the phenomenon. They must have had studies, sightings, photos, film, documents and/or other evidentiary items that led them to call their study group Interplanetary."

    And you fail utterly to address the larger questions:

    Why did the topmost military leaders (including ranking Generals in at least two Armed Services) conclude that some sightings are those of off-earth vehicles? Why in both cases (IPU and Estimate of the Situation) are these documents unavailable?

    Why so much obfuscation on admission of the files existence and their whereabouts?

    As far as FOIA, it has its place, but it is only as revealing as the authorities care to reveal. Therein lies the problem. My methodology on this one will be a bit more artful, "ambush" and perhaps more productive.

    AJB

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, December 04, 2010  

  • The reply to Steinman is a classic. I'm surprised the words didn't self-erase as they were being typed.

    I doubt any significant involvement of MacArthur who was out of the country during the 1947-1952 flying saucer wave, and who after his dismissal was likely not in the mood to associate with the Pentagon. However, he might have made a good figurehead for a front, a secret group as it would be, which might be what the IPU was.

    There were other officers and politicians who referred to the 'war of the worlds' scenario. Isn't that the theme of Newman's Flying Saucer novel?

    There is a thematic similarity to the contactee space brothers ideology and a fair amount of science fiction, as well.

    A suspicion (an idea with nothing to back it up) I have is that some of the things in the above two paragraphs had counter intelligence inputs.

    If there was a real unit -- one that was not a 'front' (which means it did exist but for the purpose of diversion from the real thing) with a trail to it salted by counter intelligence -- I would not expect any trail at all.

    But because we are human, mistakes will have been made. Often they are recognized as mistakes only after the passage of time.

    "Ambush" sounds like it could be more productive than FOIAs, assuming you've scouted the terrain and set it up properly.

    I'd want independent confirmation of anything coming from a counter intelligence source.

    Regards,

    Don

    By Blogger Sourcerer, at Saturday, December 04, 2010  

  • Hi Sourcerer-

    Little-known is that MacArthur was stationed in a UFO "hotbed" in the years 1945-1951. During that time UFOs were flying all over Japan and the Phillipines, the areas under MacArthur's command. Though little-reported or researched, this area of the world was wondering too about the strange craft in their skies...

    Just in the year 1945 alone (the year MacArthur is alleged to have begun his UFO studies) I have documented over 25 detailed reports of sightings over the region that MacArthur commanded. This information is key to further research that I am conducting on the IPU. It appears that Asia experienced its own "wave years" from 1945-1952 and onward.

    Things didn't all begin "neatly" in 1947- and there were sightings worldwide, including in Asia. We tend to be too "US-centric." Just because MacArthur was not in the US does not mean that he was not keenly aware of the phenomena. In fact, he had his own encounter.

    AJB

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, December 04, 2010  

  • Tony, I don't doubt MacArthur was interested in UFOs or that he had a sighting. I know there were many sightings in Asia, and I know I am not familiar with them.

    I check Wikipedia and it says MacArthur was out of the country from 1937 to 1952; his son was 13 years old when he first set foot in the US.

    If the IPU membership was in the US, it would not be easy for MacArthur to play a significant role in it, being out of country and out of touch. So, I would agree with Good that MacArthur was not in charge, on the simple grounds that he was not around to direct it or have 'face time' with his colleagues unless they came to him in Asia. After his dismissal his relations with the top brass were uneasy.

    Among the science consultants and military officers who were open to ET, I don't know which ones were 'talking up their position' because ET directed attention to space which is where they saw the future and where they wanted the funding go, and those who were also, in fact, convinced of ET's existence and presence.

    I can imagine MacArthur talking up his position via 'war of the worlds'. But after his dismissal I can think of no 'political' (whether military or civilian) reason for him to do so. So, at the moment for me, the odds are he was, in fact, convinced of ET's existence and possibly presence.

    A "direct" route to the IPU information, I think, would be one which did not go through counter intelligence.

    Regards,

    Don

    By Blogger Sourcerer, at Sunday, December 05, 2010  

  • I am waiting for someone (surely there is SOMEONE within ufology who can do it) to suggest that the real reason Truman fired MacArthur was not over his insubordination in Korea, but because he was about to reveal the truth about UFOs. Conceivable?

    By Blogger cda, at Sunday, December 05, 2010  

  • Sourcerer:

    Your point is well-taken and speaks to the fact that the IPU was likely a unit that "covered" anywhere that the Army was, including the US, Europe and Asia.

    That is why Tim Good believes that it was actually General George Marshall himself who was orchestrating this discrete unit- with MacArthur being his point-person in Asia.

    CDA:

    Your half-serious(?) remark shows that you cannot directly address the issues at hand - and therefore make a ludicrous, smarmy "straw man" suggestion.

    AJB

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, December 05, 2010  

  • For CDA (and others):

    While Mr. Bragalia, like David Rudiak and a few others, take offense at CDA's comments, we (the RRRGroup) support CDA's incisive observations and prudent skepticism.

    CDA is always polite and restrained even when under attack for challenging the pro-ET people in the UFO community.

    There is nothing smarmy in CDA's comments, and we enjoy his often humorous (tongue-in-cheek) asides.

    So, while we allow Mr. Bragalia (alone) to post criticism of CDA here, we do not agree with his (Mr. Bragalia's) assessment.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, December 05, 2010  

  • I'm great fan of CDA and his "zen attitude" too: always polite and posting the questions, remarks, jokes "which kill"... But receiving often ad hominem attacks, "you are a debunker", "strawman" etc by some (not particulary Tony or Kevin, follow my eyes).

    But always polite!

    A person very much appreciated here! Humble but high critic thinker imho.

    At least the debate and discussion aren't boring and not becoming long monologues between ETH proponents.

    Such meritable person gives "life" in your blog or others focused on ufology. That's appreciable, not?

    Keep it cool guys and take care Christopher;)

    Gilles F.

    By Blogger Gilles. F., at Sunday, December 05, 2010  

  • Thanks for the note, Gilles.

    You, too, often receive opprobrium from those who believe fervently in UFO things that are ET-iffy.

    But we look forward to your insights and mangled English, just because you provide surcease from the rabid (and often faulty) thinking of some UFO fanatics.

    (Need we name them?)

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, December 05, 2010  

  • Cda does circle around the issue of whether MacArthur was competent anymore, and therefore how we should view his interests and behavior. My opinion is he was out of touch and having been surrounded by a nation of 'yes men' (Japan) had not been a healthy experience for an egotist who believed his own pr.

    To describe his strategy in Korea as 'foolish' is an understatement. It ranks with Dien Bien Phu on the stupid-scale. Not to mention his idea for atomic war with China.

    Whether it impacts his credibility about UFOs has to be considered. I don't think he was mentally or emotional dysfunctional, just out of touch with the realities on the ground both political and military.

    Take the short list of generals and reverse order them based on their celebrity status. WWII created celebrity generals which MacArthur epitomized.

    It may be that, as the saying goes, 'It's the quiet ones you have to beware of'.

    But that's Willoughby of those you've listed, which brings us back to MacArthur.

    Well. Good luck.

    Regards,

    Don

    By Blogger Sourcerer, at Sunday, December 05, 2010  

  • Don:

    The great General MacArthur took the long view....about everything.

    His proposal to use the Bomb in the Korean War, if employed, would not have us in the predicament we find ourselves in today.

    China would not be a potential threat, as it is, nor a country with human rights tragedies.

    Korea would not be divided with an insane family controlling half of it.

    And Communism would have had a set-back that would have eliminated the cold-war and all the trouble and costs (in lives and money) that it engendered.

    MacArthur was prescient, and great, in every sense of the word.

    His alleged views on interplanetary visitors also was far-seeing.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, December 05, 2010  

  • Once again we see the recycling of old information. Once again we see much ado about nothing significant. Once again we see UFO researchers exaggerating anything that supports their erroneous beliefs.

    By Blogger PAG, at Sunday, December 05, 2010  

  • RR, your comment demonstrates what putting MacArthur at the forefront of any investigation of the IPU would result in.

    There are people who have argued Mogul for 15 years and are likely do be doing so 15 years from now, too.

    Regards,

    Don

    By Blogger Sourcerer, at Sunday, December 05, 2010  

  • Don:

    The Mogul scenario is worthy of discussion, as you know from Randle's blog.

    It allows tangential information and maybe little-known, relevant details about the Roswell incident to emerge.

    For me, MacArthur was one of the great generals of all time, a man to be honored and revered.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, December 05, 2010  

  • Kinda like the inter-play created in the remake of "Mars Attacks", with the MacArthuresque character wanting constantly to go to the Nukes. ;)

    By Blogger Bob Koford, at Sunday, December 05, 2010  

  • Bob:

    You might find an argument for the use of atomic weapons at:

    http://americacommittee.blogspot.com

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, December 05, 2010  

  • The problem with highlighting MacArthur is that he is a celebrity still and the digressions will be in that direction all the way to debating the great man theory of history.


    "It [Mogul] allows tangential information and maybe little-known, relevant details about the Roswell incident to emerge."

    Name three.

    Regards,

    Don

    By Blogger Sourcerer, at Sunday, December 05, 2010  

  • Thanks, I hope you don't mind me leaving a comment over there.

    One other thing pertaining to this article:

    It would make sense to me that the 1942 LA "air raid" incident could very well have launched such a unit as the IPU.

    It would actually fall into place more with the combat intelligence atmosphere that evolved via the late 40s, early fifties, as opposed to the more "seen" bluebook atmosphere.

    By Blogger Bob Koford, at Sunday, December 05, 2010  

  • Don:

    I'm not going to open this spot to the machinations that are rampant currently at Randle's blog, of which you are a part.

    Go back to that blog and look through the comments again for a multiplicity of arcane Mogul detritus.

    I know you want to relive your nostalgic Usenet experience but I don't wish to get embroiled in the Rudiak/Don/Randle rehashing of Mogul, but you can find, as you know, some tangential details there if you really want to reacquaint yourself with them.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, December 05, 2010  

  • Bob:

    Frank Warren, who is the UFO expert on the 1942 L.A. incident, would probably agree.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, December 05, 2010  

  • RR, you might not have noticed, but I am not a participant in any Mogul discussion on Randle's blog, nor have I been one anywhere else at any time.



    Regards,

    Don

    By Blogger Sourcerer, at Sunday, December 05, 2010  

  • Don:

    What is going on at Randle's blog is what makes "ufology" a joke.

    while you are not part of the Mogul discussion, you (and others) have opened the door, inadvertently, to waywardness that strays from the premise or point of Randle's original post -- about Kal Korff.

    Commenters have run amok; Rudiak being the worst offender.

    I don't want to open that Pandora's box here, out of respect for Tony Bragalia's insightful post about the IPU.

    I apologize for lumping you in with the Mogulizers.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, December 05, 2010  

  • "while you are not part of the Mogul discussion, you (and others) have opened the door, inadvertently, to waywardness that strays from the premise or point of Randle's original post -- about Kal Korff."

    Nobody much cares about these spats except the original participants -- and probably not many of them. I have no idea what Randle expected in the comments. You read what happened when I criticised the investigations of Roswell ET advocates. So, it was not a level playing field.

    The door(s) I opened in that discussion have not been addressed by the participating advocates and skeptics.

    Regards,

    Don

    By Blogger Sourcerer, at Sunday, December 05, 2010  

  • AJB:

    To return to MacArthur, it is relevant to point out that MacArthur and Gen Marshall were not friends. This was revealed in a 'Letter from America' broadcast in the UK by Alistair Cooke soon after Marshall's death (late 1959). I forget the cause of the dislike, but it was due to some incident(s) during WW2 or possibly earlier.

    This surely negates the idea that Marshall was in charge of IPU with MacArthur being "his point-person in Asia".

    Yes I do have a sense of humor and air it from time to time, but the above is a serious observation, I assure you.

    By Blogger cda, at Sunday, December 05, 2010  

  • Yes, Don...

    I thought it was quiet gutsy for you to make the comments that put in perspective, without being vile, the shortcomings of UFO researchers.

    Randle is besotted with lots of comments.

    Even when the comments have little or nothing to do with the original post, he, like many bloggers, likes to accumulate a batch of comments.

    I don't see any value in that but, apparently, Randle does.

    (We also have a writer who prefers quantity over quality when it comes to comments.)

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, December 05, 2010  

  • Cda: "I forget the cause of the dislike, but it was due to some incident(s) during WW2 or possibly earlier."

    It probably had to do with the South West Pacific Area (SWPA) theater. Marshall imposed officers, especially Australian (and some Dutch), on MacArthur.

    There was MacArthur's belief that his war, in the Pacific, had gotten the short end of the stick, to the benefit of the Generals in the European theater. I don't think Marshall ever led men in battle. So, there was that, too.

    The generals who did not successfully prevent his dismissal were Marshall and his protege Bradley.

    Regards,

    Don

    By Blogger Sourcerer, at Sunday, December 05, 2010  

  • great to read intelligent commentary on a frustratingly interesting subject.

    I would have thought that the probability of alien life was far more assured than ... an empty universe.

    Surely the existance of UFO's transcending such explanations as marsh gas and hoaxes isn't a matter of belief for anyone who has seriously researched the subject.

    Generals come and go. There are live astronauts who cannot get a hearing on this subject..... perhaps a hearing but very little audience.

    By Blogger saucepanbach, at Monday, December 06, 2010  

  • Tony: "General Willoughby was at one time acquainted with Army Colonel Philip Corso, controversial Roswell embellisher."

    The IPU also makes appearances in MJ12 and, I recall, Frank Kaufman (did he claim to work for Gen. Marshall?).

    The words 'Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit' come from where? I mean how did Richard Hall come to know of it? It's important.

    Two of the three replies refer to "Operation Bluebook". One expects Project Blue Book or Bluebook. There are several Operation Bluebooks and sometimes Project Bluebook is referred to that way, but I hadn't seen it in a army document before.

    Your use of 'government' several times in your article is unsupported by any reference to anyone in government.

    Regards,

    Don

    By Blogger Sourcerer, at Monday, December 06, 2010  

  • Very interesting article.

    May I have your permission to translate it into Portuguese and post it on my blog http://ovnihoje.com ,which deals with the UFO phenomenum and the probability of extraterrestrial life?

    Thanks for you consideration.

    Luiz Neme

    By Blogger Ovni, at Monday, December 06, 2010  

  • Luiz,

    You have permission to post Mr. Bragalia's article at your web-site.

    Maxwell Taylor (for the RRRGroup)

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, December 06, 2010  

  • I guess we have to take back our defense of CDA, regarding him being smarmy, since he wrote the following, lauding a barbaric grammarian, at another blog, kissing ass in the process:

    “Where do you get your amazing, mind-blowing, and highly original vocabulary from?

    It is not your wise thoughts on ETs that concern me most; it is your magnificent, unrivalled and overpowering vocabulary. You may take that as a compliment.”

    The person getting the smarm, pretends to know the rules of grammar, but wrote at the very blog where CDA compliments him, “[this blog isn’t] about you and I.” (Of course, the correct grammar should have been “…about you and me.”)

    CDA was full of smarm there and a writer of ours nudged us for saying CDA wasn’t smarmy.

    We thus revoke our anti-smarm defense of CDA accordingly.

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, December 06, 2010  

  • CDA sent this comment, which we have redacted, because it contained the name of a person who is not welcome in any form at any of our internet venues (or anywhere else for that matter):

    "Fancy bringing up what I wrote on another blog about another guy. Fancy not revealing the other guy's name ...

    He HAS an amazing vocabulary, as I said. And I meant it. But that does not mean I respect the rest of his utterances.

    Anyway, we have strayed a bit (more than a bit!) from MacArthur, Marshall and the IPU."

    CDA

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, December 07, 2010  

  • "CDA sent this comment, which we have redacted, because it contained the name of a person who is not welcome in any form at any of our internet venues (or anywhere else for that matter)"

    You should publish a "Terms of Use". That way we could avoid breaking your rules.

    Regards,

    Don

    By Blogger Sourcerer, at Tuesday, December 07, 2010  

  • Don,

    There are no "rules" just some personae non grata who will not get access to our blogs or our guys.

    MT

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, December 07, 2010  

  • "The great General MacArthur took the long view....about everything.

    His proposal to use the Bomb in the Korean War, if employed, would not have us in the predicament we find ourselves in today.

    China would not be a potential threat, as it is, nor a country with human rights tragedies.

    Korea would not be divided with an insane family controlling half of it.

    And Communism would have had a set-back that would have eliminated the cold-war and all the trouble and costs (in lives and money) that it engendered.

    MacArthur was prescient, and great, in every sense of the word.

    His alleged views on interplanetary visitors also was far-seeing."


    Wow... talk about taking the long view —so long that it doesn't mind vaporizing thousands of people in order to maintain the geopolitical status quo.

    I'm kind of relieved you're all busy blogging, instead of in charge of the missile launch codes.

    By Blogger Red Pill Junkie, at Tuesday, December 07, 2010  

  • One reason I think MacArthur was out of touch was the realities of the successful Soviet atom bomb test and the MIG 15's appearance in the Korean War.

    The USAF doctrine, lot of B-36s carrying lots of atomic bombs giving them uncontested global strategic force projection capability, had to be redrawn.

    MacArthur didn't seem to be aware that the next time (China) it might not only be the USMC unwilling to die for his personal glory, but the army, too.

    Regards,

    Don

    By Blogger Sourcerer, at Wednesday, December 08, 2010  

  • MacArthur followed the "God scenario" which is action of a cataclysmic nature that alters life in the short term (sometimes targically) but producing human benefit(s) in the long term.

    The Noah's ark story is an example.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, December 08, 2010  

  • I realize I don't know anything about MacArthur's beliefs, philosophy, ideology. I always assumed he was a standard issue secular anti-communist.

    Did he have an apocalyptic Christian associations?

    Considering Thayer's attitude towards WWII, the atomic bomb, UFOs, and the Korean War, I doubt MacArthur tended towards the Forteans of the day.

    What about Theosophical occultism? A reference in a July 1947 article to a San Diego occult book publisher calling the disks "space ships" from another planet indicates both the ET identification as well as the use of a science fiction term "space ships", by some occultists very early on.

    Eleanor Roosevelt archives. 1945-1952:

    Reel 18

    0244 Schub–Schum.
    Major Topics: World government; world peace; UFOs.
    Principal Correspondent: Meade Layne.

    Has anyone here looked into that?

    A few years prior to the listed start date of this archive, the CIC had been banished from the US and domestic operations. One rumor was that they were spying on Mrs Roosevelt and FDR found out.

    Forteans, occultists, science fiction fans, the emerging "saucer nuts", apocalyptic Christians would be among the people Sheridan Cavitt might call "scatterbrained" and "not solid citizens"

    On the IPU, a lead originating with the CIC that leads to CIC documents that lead nowhwere is par for the course. The name is conspicuous and would attract the attention of fantasists and hoaxers, thus we have references in MJ12 papers and from Frank Kaufman (both of which might take us back, yet again, to the CIC).

    Some things related to recent discussions here would be the suspected existence of an ET group in the military with an apocalyptic Christian view of the disks, and MacArthur's arranging immunity from war crimes prosecution for Shiro Ishii and other members of the bacteriological research units in exchange for germ warfare data based on human experimentation.

    Regards,

    Don

    By Blogger Sourcerer, at Thursday, December 09, 2010  

  • I know that the term "interplanetary" is awfully suggestive, but so far there's not tangible proof that it was directly related to ET aircraft.

    Sometimes the intelligence world chooses names that doesn't have the meaning we would normally think.

    Case in point: the "Martians" mentioned by Jacques Vallee on Messengers of Deception.

    [Quote from the book]"The code name 'Martians' was first used by British intelligence during World War II -- and it had nothing to do with the red planet. It referred to the spy industry that had been created to keep the Allied Command informed on the moves and intentions of the Wehrmacht.
    The Martians were part of a giant apparatus of espionage and deception that was documented for the first time in Anthony [Cave] Brown's book 'A Bodyguard of Lies.'"


    Why did they choose the codename 'Martians'? who knows. The military often have a penchant for dramatization ;)

    But, for the sake of argument, let's assume the interplanetary group did have to do with a group studying UFOs, which came to the conclusion of their non-earthly origin. That *still* does not mean they had reached the conclusion they were "vehicles". Maybe they thought UFOs were some form of unknown cosmic radiation or something. Or maybe they came to similar conclusions to Ivan T. Sanderson, and thought they were actually non-organic life forms from outer-space, instead of technological devices.

    Bottomline is: we don't know. We only have a suggestive name... which could very well be a disinformation ploy —remember Gary Mckinnon's finding of "non-terrestrial officers"?

    By Blogger Red Pill Junkie, at Thursday, December 09, 2010  

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