UFO Conjectures

Tuesday, January 18, 2011

Paratopia Magazine

Jeff Ritzmann has provided links to the new Paratopia magazine.

With the current brouhaha about Budd Hopkins and David Jacobs, stemming from Mr. Hopkins' ex-wife, in the first issue of Paratopia, you would do well to read her account to be at the ready when the topic of Alien Abduction implodes.

Click these links to get the magazine:

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  • I saw that last night. People should take a look. The whole abduction subset is something I had started to take a closer look at, especially as it relates to Campbell's Hero Cycle, but decided I didn't really like the subject. Kinda glad I gave up on it now.

    By Blogger Frank Stalter, at Tuesday, January 18, 2011  

  • Frank:

    Nick Redfern has a section about an alleged abducted person in his book, Final Events.

    That story really summed up, for me, what Alien Abduction is all about.

    And now with the Rainey expose, the matter is all but closed, as a UFO related phenomenon.

    People should read the Rainey article in Paratopia, that's for sure.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, January 18, 2011  

  • I've long gone off abductions. Wasn't there something recently revealed about Dr Jacobs and a female abductee in New Zealand that may also be a 'death knell' for the whole abduction phenomenon? Does anyone know about this?

    By Blogger cda, at Tuesday, January 18, 2011  

  • Frank,
    These issues with abduction accounts does not fall onto those who recall their experiences like you and I recall breakfast this morning.

    It refers directly to hypnotic "regression" employed for years in this field.

    It has been found to be fraught with all sorts of issues from cultural contamination to leading questions and confabulation / false memory. It's dangerous, point blank. In one way you're right: everything in this field gleaned from hypnosis is worthless. Period. It is impossible to tell real memory from confabulation. We did an interviw with Dr. Scott Lilienfeld of Emory University, where he lays all this out, and much more - http://hostedwith.cyberears.com/9284.mp3

    By Blogger JR, at Tuesday, January 18, 2011  

  • Thanks JR, listening now.

    It became quickly obvious to me that the abduction and Hero cycles are both psychological manufacture.

    By Blogger Frank Stalter, at Tuesday, January 18, 2011  

  • Greetings,

    JR is right. But not only in regression hypnosis.

    Hopkins, for example, have demonstrated his incompentence in the TV emission "Nova" titled "Alien Abductions" in february 1996. Hopkins was followed by cameras in several his meetings with patients, and mainly in Florida with a mother who explained to her children they were abducted by aliens...

    The Nova team asked the opinion and the evaluation of the method used by Hopkins to famous Dr. Elizabeth Loftus - THE false memories field specialist - : it was evident for her Hopkins favored the creation of memories, even if himself claimed he was helping to recover repressed memories...

    Dr. Loftus has noticed how much Hopkins encouraged his "patients" to remember things in detail and how he rewarded verbally recovering new memories. That's the best way to create false memories. In a cognitive point of view, this method is a shame imho.

    A shame because that's realy bad in the sens it is unknown what effect will this have on children later:(

    Yes, we can be sure the childern will grow up believing they were abducted by aliens. The idea has been so "embedded" and "fixed" in their brain that it will be difficult to believe that this "experiment" was put into their head by their mother, and after be cultivated and rewarded by the enthusiasm and biased method of Hopkins.

    It is the same with John Mack in his "Zimbabwe saga": It is awesome (and dangerous) to notice in videos how he rewards verbaly the childern.

    Such "doctors" do nothing to avoid false memories, despite there exist a well known method to avoid it (the cognitive interview, as several "tips"), ie to present contradictory informations, to adopt egocentric view when recalling an event and after to adopt an allocentric view (at the "third person", from a bird's-like view, in survey).

    Well, that's ufology.

    Best Regards,

    Gilles Fernandez

    By Blogger Gilles. F., at Wednesday, January 19, 2011  

  • After reading Carol Rainey's article I have to agree that abductions are in a very, very shaky state indeed, and it is difficult to see how they can survive. Hopkins and Jacobs are well & truly 'in the pit'. Can they escape from it?

    I recall Jacobs confidently telling an audience in London in 1994 how he expected alien abductions to be part of mainstream science within 5 or 6 years, i.e. by the end of the millenium.

    Maybe he still believes it!

    By Blogger cda, at Wednesday, January 19, 2011  

  • Again I direct readers here to Nick Redfern's book, "Final Events" in which he presents an abduction scenario by a young woman who was observed by her husband during what she thought was an alien abduction.

    She thrashed about and had all the symptomatic gestures and verbalizations that abductees recall, but she never left her bed nor did any alien enter the room and take her away.

    While abductees think they are being kidnapped by aliens, they are having a psychological and physical experience that hasn't been clearly defined by neurologists and other bona fide experts in mental anomalies.

    People like Hopkins and Jacobs have filled the gap left by the absence of medical study of the abduction phenomenon, and they have done so with a dose of charlatanry.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, January 19, 2011  

  • Not sure if this theory has ever been postulated here, but after reading DMT: The Spirit Molecule by Rick Strassman, I'm fairly convinced most abduction experiences revolve around the brain releasing unusual levels of DMT, which is known to cause experiences of being around alien beings, mantis creatures, "machine elves," and other entities that to the experiencer feel separate from them. He's postulated that DMT actually "tunes" us into a certain "station" of reality, or that it could all be just hallucinatory. Either way, it's a pretty good argument for where the abduction scenario comes from IMO, although I don't think there's any theories on what causes the DMT surge in the first place.

    By Blogger Armakan, at Wednesday, January 19, 2011  

  • Armakan:

    The DMT hypothesis makes more sense, to me, than the grey alien abduction scenarios.

    No bona fide neurologist will pursue the matter however, as the whole abduction topic is anathema to sane persons.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, January 19, 2011  

  • Careful here.
    Are you implying that Hopkins and Jacobs might be insane persons?

    By Blogger cda, at Wednesday, January 19, 2011  

  • Well, I wouldn't say they are or have been compos mentis when it comes to "abductees."


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, January 19, 2011  

  • "It became quickly obvious to me that the abduction and Hero cycles are both psychological manufacture"

    I have high doubts that my wife and I both (in a shared experience), in addition to friends and family members, psychologically manufacture what we all have seen and experienced. What it is? No idea.

    But, I'll agree to a point: there is an internal component - but there's also an external one seemingly running in tandem.

    Human perception and it's shortcomings have long been my enemy in evaluating my own experiences.

    By Blogger JR, at Wednesday, January 19, 2011  

  • JR-

    I can't speak to your personal experience with your family because I don't know what it is.

    My only interest in the area of abduction was due to being a big Campbell fan and quickly recognizing the fit between Campbell's archetypal Hero Cycle and the archetypal abduction cycle, although I guess what I found was the "aliens-as-Space-Brother" version and not the correct "alien-as-evil-threat" version (/sarcasm)


    By Blogger Frank Stalter, at Wednesday, January 19, 2011  

  • Frank-
    I've discussed a lot of my own experiences on the program, and on older podcasts floating around out there.

    I think the problem is the Hopkins/Jacobs scenario had tainted the pool. People don't have a handle on the experience, because there isn't one. It's more bizarre and weird than I can often describe. The proponents of the hypnotic recall of the experience have royally dismissed or ignored the utter bizarre nature because it's not a sale-able product. I say, no one believes it anyway, so no holding back. I never have.

    The fact is, my wife was present at a pinnacle encounter we had many years ago, and friends/family have also encountered weirdness both around me and in my home. My co-host has encountered this as recent as his last visit to my place.

    So, I can't flop it all on top the "it's in my head" thing. My opinion currently (which changes a lot) is that it might start in the mind in some fashion, but somehow ends up on the floor in front of you.

    I have no idea what that represents, nor if it's even connected to the UFO phenomenon anymore.

    By Blogger JR, at Thursday, January 20, 2011  

  • I don't think suggesting DMT is the cause of an abduction experience necessarily implies psychosis of the individual. All it seems to claim is that there was a surge in DMT released by the brain, which leaves quite a bit open there, not to mention this has never actually been backed up in studies (I'm not aware of a study where its been documented the brain releases any amount of DMT differing from the norm on its own). If that could be a proven cause, then it would be left open how this happened: was it an external event, psychologically provoked, natural activity of the brain, etc.? But, with the lack of any kind of evidence for these experiences, it seems as plausible an explanation as any other I've seen offered.

    By Blogger Armakan, at Thursday, January 20, 2011  

  • First off, you have to understand that the abduction phenom is nothing new. It's literally been happening under different cultural guises since the earliest shamanic ceremonies of the stone age. The Grey abduction/hybrid scenario is virtually identical to medieval Fairy abduction/changeling lore, demonic possession lore, and "spirit world" encounters of proto-pagan cultures as depicted by their shamans on cave walls 30,000 years ago, commonly induced by the ingestion of psychoactive plants.
    The most logical theory on "alien abduction" is that these visions are brought on in altered states of consciousness, such as
    Neuroscientist Michael Persinger, after 30 years of lab research, claims that such states can be induced by electromagnetic fields, such as geomagnetic waves triggered by seismic activities,that effect the brain. Like Strassman's DMT research, Persingers volunteers reported bizarre visionary experiences, from the mystical and enlightening, to terrifying, including the classic "abduction/probing/mutilation" scenario (which also pertains to religious lore and mythologies around the world.
    Persinger also claimed that it is technically feasible to affect large populations of people by "artificial modulation of the geomagnetic field" to induce such states, with some sort of local technology. Food for thought.

    By Blogger emilquale, at Tuesday, March 15, 2011  

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