UFO Conjectures

Tuesday, February 01, 2011

NASA/military tests mistaken for UFOs?

Here is an ARMY/NASA position paper that outlines proposals for surveillance of outer space planets, Mars and Jupiter in particular:


Has the processes proposed been put into practice and tested in the Earthian sky?

Check the details and specifically the references, and you’ll see that the proposals have, indeed, been put to tests in the last half of the 2000 decade.


  • Good stuff. I've long suspected that many sightings are, in fact, military craft. Black "triangle" shaped craft seemed to slip on the scene not too many years prior to the revelation of strangely triangular stealth fighters and bombers. In recent years, reports of huge, silently hovering craft have coincided with leaked whispers of stealth blimps and refueling platforms.

    By Blogger Cullan Hudson, at Tuesday, February 01, 2011  

  • Now, Cullan, if someone would check out the possibility that the triangle UFOs are really military test craft, not necessarily secret prototypes, that would go a long way to curtailing the raft of UFO reports that end up in such places as The Examiner as bona fide UFOs.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, February 01, 2011  

  • But let's not discount the importance of the "I seen 'em" crowd and the humbling responsiblity The Examiner shoulders daily to bring us these powerful testaments. :-D

    By Blogger Cullan Hudson, at Tuesday, February 01, 2011  

  • Hahahahahaha



    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, February 01, 2011  

  • @ RR:

    "...if someone would check out the possibility that the triangle UFOs are really military test craft, not necessarily secret prototypes, that would go a long way to curtailing the raft of UFO reports that end up in such places as The Examiner as bona fide UFOs."

    Actually, Rich, a couple studies of just this question was conducted by the erstwhile Bigelow organization, the National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS) between 2000 to early 2004.

    See: http://tinyurl.com/49ojcbp

    The above link is from archive.org's "Wayback Machine" that pulls up the old NIDS website, and allows one to click on the links to still find the series of articles NIDS published during their existence.

    If you click on the sixth link down on the above page, it goes to an article from NIDS entitled "Investigations of the Flying Triangle Enigma," complete with graphs, illustrations, and a link within that article to an earlier NIDS study on the apparent connection between the slow moving, very large black triangles, their flight directions, and proximity to a couple different Air Material Command (AMC) US Air Force bases, including mainly Scott AFB in the 2000 Illinois triangle case that involved police witnesses, in detail.

    See: http://tinyurl.com/4brswhh

    The NIDS report was not definitive, but NIDS considered seriously the possibility that these type of very large, slow, "black triangle" sightings often occurring between some AMC AFB's might indicate a testing phase of a large scale, stealthy, aerostat designed for AMC to facilitate transport of large volumes of material, troops, and heavy equipment, such as tanks, helos, drones, etc. The USAF, of course, denied that.

    Lockheed Martin's "Skunk Works" (LM/SW) division, Northrop Grumman, and other large military contractors have worked on such projects and developed flying prototypes within the past several years, such as the L-M P-791, but none are actually triangular.N/G just got a $519 million DOD contract to develop a prototype "stealth blimp" for LEMV and heavy lifter use by the US Army.

    LM/SW has proposed some roughly triangular rigidized powered dirigibles for LEMV (long endurance intelligence gathering platforms) or "heavy lifter" purposes which would employ quiet jet engines, but none are in prototype or production status as of yet. At least as far as is publicly known. Heh! 8^}

    See:http://tinyurl.com/d6d28z <--video
    and: http://tinyurl.com/4o4389k
    Also: http://www.thestealthblimp.com/

    On the other hand, this NIDS analyses do not explain the large "black triangles" that suddenly appear, and can move both slowly, hover, and then move out at extreme speeds. Even a jet powered, "hybrid" carbon shell aerostat, or rigidized dirigible, cannot do that. But, apparently some of this latter sort have been witnessed, FWIW.

    Lastly, people ought to check out some of the NIDS links to other articles noted on the first link in this comment. Interesting stuff!

    [As for Examiner.com, ala Roger Marsh, et al, forget getting any kind of reliable or vetted UFO articles from that dubious source.]

    By Blogger steve sawyer, at Tuesday, February 01, 2011  

  • Steve:

    You are a fount of valuable information.

    I'm thinking that some of the recent UFo sightings can be attributed to NASA test vehicles, surely; most with a triangular configuration.

    Separating the wheat from the chaff is daunting.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, February 02, 2011  

  • Part 1 of 2:

    You might want to look at this link:


    It's a wiki article on the recently unveiled RQ-170 Sentinel drone, which has been operational in Afghanistan since the middle of last year.

    While not actually triangular, it has a somewhat triangular wing configuration, similar to the B-2 or F-117A/B stealth aircraft, and is the most advanced drone operational in a war theater today, or at least publicly.

    There's also the Global Hawk, a much larger, more sophisticated drone aircraft, that operates out a base just 50 miles northeast of me, at Beale AFB, which is also where the SR-71 was originally based. with the 9th Reconnaisance Wing, but it is not triangular, it just looks like an overgrown, mutated, camel-headed Predator drone.

    I talked to a Lockheed employee there one time several years ago, in the base commissary parking lot, and he told me how he was involved in mothballing the remaining SR-71 Blackbirds, one of which is on static display on the flight line, along with its associated D-21 jet drone (which was semi-successfully used to overfly and spy on regions in China), and he hinted around about a successor craft to the SR-71, which sounded somewhat like the apocryphal "Aurora." He said there was no longer any need for the SR-71, as something new was coming to replace it. This is still an unconfirmed, or at least undisclosed, development, although there was a rather credible sighting several years ago by an aircraft observation aficionado from a North Sea oil platform of an isosceles triangle shaped jet aircraft accompanied by two US fighter jets on either side.

    See: http://tinyurl.com/4w4vhrl

    Beale also still operates an advanced form of U-2, called the "Dragon Lady," with all kinds of surveillance pods attached.

    I also suspect there are at least 2 or more (maybe 4-5) undisclosed, possibly triangular USAF stealth aircraft in either prototype testing or very low production numbers, in operation that may have a triangular configuration, but none as large as has been witnessed in the various "UFO" cases under discussion here.

    What's most problematical, of course, is what could explain the very, very large (football field size or larger), silent, dark triangular craft with various lighting configurations that are very non-standard (according to normal FAA lighting regulations), and have the ability to allegedly suddenly appear (like a Klingon Bird of Prey space cruiser), as if they abruptly "uncloaked," and that also apparently not only move slowly to moderately quickly, in silence, but can also, supposedly, hover at length and then suddenly zip off at supersonic speed without creating a sonic boom.

    Now, those? Uh, they aren't any of ours. We don't have any human technology in the black projects world or elsewhere internationally that can do all of those things. What's most interesting about those, is that they have been increasingly seen, and if I were to posit a theory, it's that such unusual structural morphology not only has preceded by decades our own current efforts to create such craft with the triangular planform, but without all those unknown source bells and whistles, but could also be considered a form of camouflage, in that by replicating such a triangle configuration, it could most often be mistaken for one of ours, and not raise too many questions in the minds of witnesses. OR, and this would be intriguing, these kind of "craft" are real, not ours but "the others," and may have inspired a similar design shape or morphology planform that we are now creating at Lockheed, Grumman, Boeing, and other aircraft "stealth factories." How very bizarre this all is, eh? 8^}

    By Blogger steve sawyer, at Friday, February 04, 2011  

  • Steve:

    I get the severe impression that you feel the triangular crafts are from out there or, at least, not of Earthian origination.

    And some may very well be alien.

    But if they are, then the military has gotten film (video) or photographs of the things, and maybe even a number of close-up views.

    However, the triangular configuration is so devolutionary, as we posit in the Darwinian Ufology post here a few weeks back, that they don't evoke awe or surprise as flying saucers once did.

    Maybe a new alien culture has stumbled on the Earth and find it as fascinating as previous alien cultures have, and have a laggard
    travel unit.

    The problem, as always, is with witness observations, fraught with human perception errors, that allow prosaic (sort of) prototypical military craft to pass as something else....something
    alien, which confuses the issue.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, February 04, 2011  

  • Gosh, boy howdy, maybe imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, as they say, and perhaps also aerodynamic design efficiency. Of course, that's just wild, untoward and crazed speculation once again. Or, is it?!?

    That's one of the problems when you're a "fount of information" --sometimes you overflow the rim [shot]. Prtang! Ha! (I really must cut back on my espresso someday...)

    Follow the "leader"? And who might those "others" be? I just can't say. Hmmmmm.... 8*}

    For further ambiguous and mystery dance information, see:

    http://tinyurl.com/ynq9th wikipedia / Black Triangles-UFOs

    space.com article on NIDS studies

    further NIDS study data w/linksar

    By Blogger steve sawyer, at Friday, February 04, 2011  

  • Steve,

    You really have to try decaf, really.

    But why would an alien culture imitate the stodgy Earth aircraft designs?

    I can see us imitating them, but the other way round? Not so much.

    Nonetheless, your conjectures are always astute, and probable, which is more than one can say about most other UFO mavens.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, February 04, 2011  

  • RR wrote: "But why would an alien culture imitate the stodgy Earth aircraft designs?"

    Considering the severe roll, pitch and yaw problems of discs, I don't think they are very stable when close to the ground -- at least earth-ground.

    Has there ever been a sighting of discs scooting along 20 feet above the desert floor? Any sighting of alien ground vehicles?

    Maybe they're here for our technology. I think they could use helicopter designs and, I don't know, rock-crawler jeep mods.

    And weapons. They don't seem to have much firepower. We're good at that.



    By Blogger Sourcerer, at Friday, February 04, 2011  

  • Your suggestions, Don, fit a pattern of behavior that supports, in a way, Mac Tonnies' (may he rest in peace) concept of the Cryptoterrestrial more than an alien species from galaxies far, far away.

    But who knows? Alien beings may be coming here, to Earth, for ideas that they can't conjure up for themselves.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, February 04, 2011  

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