UFO Skeptics and Believers
This quote appears on page 105 of Consciousness Beyond Life by Pim van Lommel. M.D. [HarperOne, 2010] (which we’ll be posting on soon for the connection of Near Death Experiences to the abduction phenomenon):
Skeptic and believers are all alike. At this moment scientists and skeptics are the leading dogmatists. Advance in detail is admitted: fundamental novelty is barred. This dogmatic common sense is the death of philosophical adventure. The universe is vast. –Alfred North Whitehead
What concerns us, besides the skeptic/believer propinquity, is the absolute anti-intellectualism of UFO mavens – their inherent stupidity, ignorance (how ill-read and uneducated they are).
But that for another time, and place…..
posted by RRRGroup at
Sunday, March 27, 2011
13 Comments:
The Whitehead quote is simple rhetoric. Five of the statements are open to discussion and 'the universe is vast' is mindless if its intention is to support the previous statements.
The size of the universe is one of those flexible points folk use as evidence that:
A - ET life is visiting Earth
B - ET life could never visit Earth
C - Anything is possible
Your position on 'UFO mavens' is probably reasonable. No doubt it's also subjective...we've all got a list of 'mavens' who we view as BS merchants. One in particular bugs the heck out of me and nobody yet seems to have called them out. No doubt their time will come...
By
Kandinsky, at Sunday, March 27, 2011
Kandinsky:
The UFO Community is rife with hacks, charlatans, and BS artists.
(Some would put us in one of those categories also.)
Every human endeavor has its false proponents, but UFOs seem to attract an inordinate amount of them.
Serious researchers and seriously curious persons have to sidestep or avoid the mishmash that is endemic to the UFO phenomenon.
And that may mean working privately with select, intense, smart people who aren't self-promoting egoists with pathological underpinnings.
But I digress....
RR
By
RRRGroup, at Sunday, March 27, 2011
Hence the reason i read this blog...
By
Adam, at Sunday, March 27, 2011
Adam...
You are a prince among men, and UFO stalwarts.
RR
By
RRRGroup, at Sunday, March 27, 2011
To RRRGroup -
"And that may mean working privately with select, intense, smart people who aren't self-promoting egoists with pathological underpinnings."
While I do not know anything about UFOs, I have found that such persons really do exist.
Many thanks for your efforts. There is hope.
Tyler Kokjohn
By
calliebuddy, at Monday, March 28, 2011
Tyler:
Thanks.
You should be on our list of people to get access to our private blogs and sites.
Let me know....
RR
By
RRRGroup, at Monday, March 28, 2011
I love the elitist attitude about ill-read, uneducated UFO mavens, quickly followed by a grammatical error. Oh the irony...
By
Armakan, at Monday, March 28, 2011
Why Armarkan, there is no grammatical error. We never make grammatical errors!
You must me terribly mistaken.
(Oh the irony, indeed.)
RR
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RRRGroup, at Monday, March 28, 2011
Agreed. The serious folk keep the subject alive without celebration or fanfare. Not only that, they tend to be helpful through the 'back channels' of PMs and emails.
"The UFO Community is rife with hacks, charlatans, and BS artists.
(Some would put us in one of those categories also.)"
Some probably would! Not me, you run a good site.
By
Kandinsky, at Monday, March 28, 2011
Kandinsky...
You are too kind. Thanks.
We're glad you're a regular. (And we also follow your comments at other blogs and sites, where your common sense and intelligent approach shines.)
RR
By
RRRGroup, at Monday, March 28, 2011
"Serious researchers and seriously curious persons have to sidestep or avoid the mishmash that is endemic to the UFO phenomenon.
"And that may mean working privately with select, intense, smart people who aren't self-promoting egoists with pathological underpinnings."
Don't worry about that, Rich--we are! And some of us peek above the scrim on occasion to comment where and when needed, too.
May a thousand "Invisible Colleges" bloom,
as per Vallee. 8^}
By
steve sawyer, at Monday, March 28, 2011
"What concerns us, besides the skeptic/believer propinquity, is the absolute anti-intellectualism of UFO mavens – their inherent stupidity, ignorance (how ill-read and uneducated they are)."
Anti-intellectualism? Sounds almost like... communism! Of UFO mavens? And their inherent stupidity and ignorance? Just how, precisely, Rich, do you define "UFO maven," and on what basis can you conclude "they" are either ill-read or uneducated? How does one reach such a broadside, generic definition of "UFO mavens"?
That's all I'm asking--define your terms.
By
steve sawyer, at Monday, March 28, 2011
Steve,
I don't have to define my terms; the evidence speaks for itself.
Go to UFO UpDates, or any UFO web-site or blog, including ours, and read the comments and some of the postings.
They are amassed with ignorant posturings, and a complete misunderstanding of all things -- all! -- cultured, scientific, academic, and so on.
Please, don't try to rationalize the ravings of the rabble.
It just makes you look as dumb as they are.
And my generalizations are right on the money, and always spot on, always!
RR
By
RRRGroup, at Monday, March 28, 2011
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