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Tuesday, May 17, 2011

Flying Saucers and The Descent into Madness

Anthony Bragalia presents some personal insights about "madness" stemming from the study of flying saucers.

You will find his trek through the matter by clicking here

36 Comments:

  • Suicides are going on all the time. I am not personally concerned over Peter Gersten. Those who should be concerned are his family, close friends and such. There is, in my view, no need for us to spend time unduly worrying ourselves over possible future actions by Mr Gersten.

    As to the other 'madness' cases AJB cites, yes of course some people are driven this way by dabbling too much and too deeply into paranormal subjects, or into any field of art, science or religion, fringe or otherwise.

    Most people recover, others do not. For some it a sign of early dementia. But we should not see it as a special risk of the study of ufology. Of course there are those who will say that anyone who gives much thought to a fringe science is a bit potty anyway.

    I like to think ufologists are as sane as the rest of the population. Naturally there are exceptions, but as I said above, you can find such exceptions in almost any field of study or activity.

    There are people seemingly a bit potty or paranoid today over global warming. I say 'seemingly' as it is a fairly new subject and we have a long way to go to establish anything with certitude.

    I'll shut up now in case I tread on dangerous ground.

    By Blogger cda, at Tuesday, May 17, 2011  

  • Christopher:

    I agree with your sentiments totally.

    Mr. Bragalia takes the Gersten matter a bit more seriously that we do, but that's his liberal nature.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, May 17, 2011  

  • CDA-

    I do not know what I am more horrified about- Peter’s jump to certain death or your cavalier and harsh response to his announcement to kill himself publicly…



    Did you not read his reply to me?: “I no longer have any responsibility regarding my family. And if I did it would end on my death.” It is clear that there is a ‘disconnect’ with he and his family. Maybe he does not know that insurance does not pay out to survivors for suicide cases. And in the post I did implore his close friends to stop him. But where are they?

    And an even larger issue is that he may be encouraging others (unwittingly) to take this Leap of Faith, though he disclaims any responsibility. This could frankly, CDA, potentially be another “Heaven’s Gate” horror in the making, i.e. Marshall Applewhite.

    AJB

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, May 17, 2011  

  • AJB:
    In 1978 there was the Jonestown affair where over 900 people committed suicide by cyanide poisoning. The Heavens Gate affair pales into insignificance compared to this. Suicides occur all the time and mass suicides occur at intervals. What are we, the public, supposed to do about these?

    Re Bill Moore, you may be interested to know that long ago, when I was in correspondence with him over (I think) Roswell, he wrote me a strange reply to one of my letters. Strange because he typed it in such a way that if you took the first letter of each line on the page, it spelt out the message "eat shit and die".

    No, I am NOT kidding. I still have this letter. Make of it what you will. Although avoiding my arguments and questions, the full actual letter did make sense.

    By Blogger cda, at Tuesday, May 17, 2011  

  • How interesting that Applewhite should surface in this debate. Today (May 17) was the day he was born (1931).

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Tuesday, May 17, 2011  

  • This is upsetting for one who lost is twenty year old son one year ago unexpectedly. He needs support, he needs help. I would rather reach out personally to him rather than talk about him in the third person and label him mad. The UFO connection is just a symptomatic scrim, anyone with any sense knows there are other serious issues beneath the surface.All of this reminds me of "The Eden Express" by Mark Vonnegut.He had the courage to stand for justice for two women..lest we forget. I for one would encourage him to seek help and support. Does he have a e-mail address?

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, May 18, 2011  

  • The whole descent into "madness" isn't confined to those mentioned. You see this throughout paranormal circles everywhere.

    My personal thought as it applies to the anti-structural elements, is that this subject, to many, is simply toxic. The deeper one goes in, the more obsessed one becomes, the more likely that person is going to lose their critical thinking skills.

    Because paranormal events are surrounded by anti-structural aspects (and they are if you look past the event and start looking at what surrounds the event), anti-structural life is not conducive to work, relationships, or for that matter a routine life. It's the absence of routine - but there's much more to it.

    There seems to be an undercurrent thematic to reality surrounding the paranormal, and for whatever reason (which at this point, the "why" issue isn't a productive question to ask) that aspect is detrimental to those who become truly embroiled in the subject. The toxicity stems from being in anti-structural situations, and then in the process of study, you become anti-structural as well, at times, by default.

    I've gotten to the point now where I can pick out those who are going to fall off the wagon - and 2 years ago I'd have thought that a pretty absurd idea. The bottom line is not to submerge yourself for too long - running out of air in the tank causes brain damage.

    By Blogger JR, at Wednesday, May 18, 2011  

  • Thanks JR for your insightful and articulate comments. I think that you are correct that one sees this in the study of other ‘mystery’ topics such as the paranormal. I have also seen this happen in the world of JFK research…

    I am still not certain why some who study such things perform very high quality research and investigation early on in their careers- only to later plunge into fantasy or even harmful activities. As another commented, they likely already have had other, pre-existing mental, psychological or other ‘issues’ and their plunge from serious research is likely reflected in their larger lives as well.

    AJB

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, May 18, 2011  

  • Personally, I think far too much is being made of this. I'm sure if a study was made of doctors, fire-fighters, fast-food restaurant staff, police, road-workers (or just about any group of people anywhere in the world), you'll find some who, at various times in their lives, may have suffered from nervous breakdowns, mental disorders etc.

    It's called being human.

    There seems to be an inference in this thread/post (although i certainly dont think it's done deliberately or consciously) that Ufologists are somehow different from other people.

    Nope. Ufologists are just people. And sometimes people flip their lids. And sometimes, some of those people are ufologists. Sometimes they are car-mechanics, sometimes they are farmers, etc etc etc.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Thursday, May 19, 2011  

  • Nick-
    The thing is, it's not always about "madness". It's as simple as critical thought loss. The longer one seems to drive hardcore on paranormal subjects, the more apt they seem to be to lose critical thinking skills, which leads into paranoia, and who knows what else.

    I don't see a lot of fast food employees who eat sleep and breathe burgers and fries. Then to boot,lose the good judgement to keep their hands off the griddle.

    Theres a joke in here somewhere about flipping burgers and not your lid...

    Anyway, yes, anti-structural life and behavior can happen to anyone. Most often people don't want to live this way, and course correct.

    Paranormal die-hards often focus upon the phenomena and not much else. The descend into marginality and a very anti-structural lifestyle. If you are to engage a very elusive enigma in a persistent way, there's not much structure or routine there - unless you make the forethought to confine research and the rest of your life. Many, do not.

    By Blogger JR, at Thursday, May 19, 2011  

  • JR:

    I would have to strongly disagree.

    You say: "The longer one seems to drive hardcore on paranormal subjects, the more apt they seem to be to lose critical thinking skills, which leads into paranoia, and who knows what else."

    Truly, I know very, very, very few people in Ufology who I would call clincally paranoid. I think the idea of the typical UFO researcher hiding behind the curtains from the MIB, or having no social life, panicking its the CIA listening if there's crackling on the phone-line etc is largely a media portrayal.

    You also say: "I don't see a lot of fast food employees who eat sleep and breathe burgers and fries. Then to boot,lose the good judgement to keep their hands off the griddle."

    True, but my point is that if every fast-food employee was studied and every UFO researcher was studied, I seriously doubt you'll see any less (possibly more if all you have to do all day is flip burgers for morbidly obese diabetics who don't even say thank-you) levels of depression, anxiety etc.

    The reaons behind what prompts such conditions may certainly be radically different depending on the career, hobby etc. But, the percentage of outcomes may be very similar.

    You add: "Paranormal die-hards often focus upon the phenomena and not much else. The descend into marginality and a very anti-structural lifestyle."

    I don't (shock!, LOL) fully disagree with this, but here's the important point: the number of paranormal die-hards I know (and most people I know would share this view) who focus on UFOs (or Bigfoot or whatever), and who "focus upon the phenomena and not much else," as you word it, is very small.

    Again, it's a media, stereotypical image that UFO researchers don't have lives, wivesm husbands, social lives, and just live for Ufology.

    Truly, no-one I know in Ufology lives for Ufology. Everyone I know in Ufology has a deep interest in the subject, but this is balanced against a normal life.

    Greg Bishop and Paul Kimaball are deeply passionate about Baseball (why, I can't fathom LOL).

    I spend about 2-hours a night watching the English football subscription channels (or soccer, to use an insulting term LOL), my wife and I watch American Idol, Survivor, Big Brother etc etc.

    Not that many might think the latter is something to be proud of - LOL - but it does make us like everyone else, and not some nutty paranoid fool who has their head in a UFO book every night, or wondering if the New World Order are poisoning their water supply.

    Similarly, weekends are put aside for us to go down the pub, have friends over etc etc.

    Aside from when i've done his radio show, i can scarcely think of a time when me and Greg B have hung out and had a deep debate about UFOs - it's usually music, films, whatever.

    Same at conferences: yeah, you'll hear some people who want to chat UFOs at the bar, but far more just want to hang out and have a good time.

    To me (as someone who is deeply involved in Ufology, speaks to a lot of people on the phone, net, etc, and lectures at a lot of gigs), I really don't see many I'd consider casebook/textbook loons, social outcasts of the type we're portrayed as on TV shows.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Thursday, May 19, 2011  

  • Nick-
    We'll have to agree to disagree then. Over the past 24 years in this field active publicly and privately, I've seen this dynamic quite a few times. The obsessive nature of this phenomenon seems pretty self evident to me. Because it hasn't been your experience, or the circles you travel don't expose you to it, doesn't mean such behavior isn't there - even if that behavior is on varying levels of dysfunction.

    Some can balance it. Some cannot. And, I have personally watched the obsession with this enigma destroy lives, marriages, and careers over the years.

    The anti-structural elements are there across the board if you look. This is what surrounds paranormal events and manifestations. It doesn't interest most researchers because ultimately they feel it marginalizes their case, or they simply refuse to see the abstract pattern.

    And the end of the line for me is that putting oneself into a case study or investigation with extreme anti-structural elements in play does have an effect should the researcher not distance himself from the work vs his own life and routine.

    By Blogger JR, at Friday, May 20, 2011  

  • I have to agree with JR.

    The very nature of trying to solve such likely unsolvable mysteries leads to frustration and endless turns with no end. It is inherent is such research.

    As I mentioned in the article, some treat such study as an intellectual exercise, some as detective research and others as an ‘extreme hobby.’

    But there is a rather sizable element of people who study UFOs, the paranormal, JFK’s assassination, etc. for whom such study dominates their thoughts and feelings to the point of compulsion or fixation. Even to the point that it adversely impacts other elements of their lives.

    Their persistent ideas about such phenomenon continually force their way into consciousness. This is often associated with anxiety and mental illness.

    It is a matter of self-control and of discipline to balance all aspects of one’s life. But I do believe that this ‘world’ tends to bring out those who are preoccupied with such things in an often unhealthful way.

    AJB

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, May 20, 2011  

  • Tony/JR:

    I certainly don't dispute that Ufology has its eccentrics and odd characters.

    But, it seems to me that the relatively small amount I've met that fall into those categories are people who are also very, very visible within Ufology - so, the result is that people remember them, and they can (at times) cause people to assume we're all like that.

    Thousands of people buy UFO magazines and books, but if 10 or 20 are very high profile loons and flakes, they get remembered, and they nurture the image that people outside of Ufology have of us.

    But, by focusing on the small amount of very visible, high-profile nuts, they forget the 1000s of others who are just deeply interested, sometimes do research, but otherwise live normal lives.

    Also, look at the use in the USA of people utterly addicted to (or who regularly take) prescription drugs for stress, anxiety, depression, stress-causing muscle aches, etc - its millions and millions.

    Most of them certainly are not in Ufology, but they a massive body of people.

    So, in other words, there's nothing special or significant about a percentage of people in Ufology suffering from emotional conditions, when millions of the rest of the non-UFO population are equally suffering.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Friday, May 20, 2011  

  • Nick:

    Some of the boys here feel exactly as you, and thought Tony Bragalia's piece was taking a few specifics and making a generalization.

    The amount of UFO crazies or suicidal types are less than that in the demographic norm of society as you indicate.

    The cases that Tony presents are interesting but nothing to become alarmed about or worked up over.

    That said, I'm surprised at the interest that UFO people take in such side-bars, which have nothing to do with the UFO phenomenon itself.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, May 20, 2011  

  • RR-Studying the UFO phenomenon hasn't really gotten anyone anywhere though has it?

    These "side bars" need to be addressed and examined - our inquiry into the subject are ultimately, part of the overall. The reactions to this enigma may in no small part contribute to the cultural filters we discussed in prior posts.

    I'm not arguing that UFO study will make you nuts. However what surrounds these events seems to be decidedly toxic to a normal, and routine life.

    By Blogger JR, at Friday, May 20, 2011  

  • Jeff:

    There are side-bars and there are side-bars.

    UFO mavens usually get sidetracked by the wrong sidebar.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, May 20, 2011  

  • Peter Gersten, who factors significantly in Mr. Bragalia's post, answers him (Tony) in the comment section at the blog site itself:

    http://bragalia.blogspot.com

    It would do you well to take in Mr. Gersten's comments, as they provide insight to his situation that differs from Mr. Bragalia's.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, May 20, 2011  

  • I happen to agree with Nick. I have had a lid dropped on a pot yesterday when I was alone in the house nowhere near the kitchen. The cabinet doors opening and closing last night and this morning which my daughter noted that evening. I have written as one wag put it.."respectable tin foil" yet, I cut the grass, make meals for the family, work in the garden, restore antique toys, listen to vinyl, etc, etc. Stereotypes are stereotypes whether they are prosaic or "paranormal." I have been immersed in many strange situations..does that make me mad? I wrote to Peter, and he eluded to being reunited with old friends..I think he is depressed couching this in the mystic. I respect his right but as I told him I can disagree with his reasoning based on a assumed mathematical perfection of the universe..the dialog is key, not the act, in my opinion. This situation has nothing to do with Ufology and to think so is to create a myth on a par with Roswell.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Saturday, May 21, 2011  

  • I like the 'anti-structural' tag. But I don't think it should be such a big bug-a-boo either. After all, poesis in general (poetry) tends to be often anti-structural esp. in its modern variants. And of course post-structuralism itself (and I know it is often maligned in such forums as this, in substance if not in name) as a 'formal' -- yes, I realize the contradiction there --philosophy may be maddening to some but it is not often thought to cause suicides. And creativity in general is pretty anti-structural I think. So while I think it is a good tag for paranormal studies, I think it is necessary but insufficient. And besides in these latter days it is somewhat hard to define what is 'normal' in the first place no?

    By Blogger Sloane Darlington Robinson Cheatham, at Saturday, May 21, 2011  

  • Although I appreciate the term 'anti-structural' (reminds me of Hansen's work on the trickster), I think the coupling with mental disease entirely, is problematic. After all, poesis in general (poetry) is pretty antistructural as is creativity in general. And in fact a whole wing of philosophy, while often disparaged in such forums as this in substance if not name, is devoted to this topic. Besides it's often difficult to exactly say what IS 'normal' these days eh?

    By Blogger robert c., at Saturday, May 21, 2011  

  • sorry about the double post...not my wife's fault...must have had a brief visitation myself.

    By Blogger Sloane Darlington Robinson Cheatham, at Sunday, May 22, 2011  

  • http://materialintangible.blogspot.com/2011/05/other-side-of-truth-is-called-lie.html

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Sunday, May 22, 2011  

  • Robert-
    I suppose I should be clear: anti-structural undercurrents don't always lead to "madness", or insanity. I would think that might actually be a rarity.

    However...

    The idea that a lot of people over time, involved deeply in this subject seem to lose critical judgement, is pretty self evident.

    How far does that go? There's no real benchmark - as this is an aspect of UFO research hasn't been properly addressed (except by Hansen): the private lives of people and the seemingly unrelated circumstances that surround paranormal events. We're always looking for repeatability in some facet of the investigations, but we're ignoring data because it doesn't primarily focus on "how many windows did it have", or "what color was it?"

    That consistency may be within the nature of the current life experience of the witnesses or experiencers.

    JR

    By Blogger JR, at Monday, May 23, 2011  

  • Not the first time someone has used the line "the other side of truth is a lie" in reference to my blog.

    All that I can do is quote William James:

    ""The greatest enemy of any one of our truths may be the rest of our truths."

    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Monday, May 23, 2011  

  • Paul,
    Heaven's Gate was the right to do with one's body as one chooses based on the configuration of astronomical portents that represent a mythos,and Peter Gersten's similar approach based on the Mayan Temple Six inscription (which in reality is incomplete) has an able defender which mixes terminal illness and equates it with delusion, throwing nuance out the window. Critical thinking seems to be elusive as well as the sense that life is not an arm's length transaction. Recall we are speaking of Peter's deep connection to Ufology, not simply one that lacks a connective tissue. I side with Tony in attempting to dialog this rather than sweep under it under some misapplied carpet by use of human rights, as an exemplar. I am not buying what you are selling and what you are selling is a rational for self destruction, literally jumping off a cliff. I am glad we do not occupy Heaven's Lathe, your dreams are disturbing.Whatever lies you tell yourself are none of my business but when it jumps the shark and becomes propagandist for the sake of having us turn our backs and the discussion is closed..it is far from being closed.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, May 25, 2011  

  • Bruce:

    You may be a little hard on Paul.

    Your view, like Bragalia's, is compassionate and ethically sound.

    But Paul presented, at his blog, the counter view -- as is his wont.

    His view is philosophically valid even if repugnant to some.

    It's not unlike the abortion issue in some regards.

    The matter involves actual free will, or the Catholic theological stance, that when it comes to life, no one but God, has the right to take it -- via murder, suicide, et cetera.

    The non-Godders go for the free-will argument.

    Believers in God or the sanctity of life know how precious life is and how it should be protected and esteemed for as long as possible.

    Also, there is the peripheral argument about how others are impacted by one's death, taken by one's own hand or otherwise.

    It's an iffy issue from a philosophical position, but not from a morally-imperative position perhaps.

    Paul has expressed his view and maybe he'll take a respite from his L.A. sojourn to respond here to you (and me, and others).

    Some of our guys agree with Tony's view and yours; some do not.

    But even amidst all the clamor, one can't or shouldn't ascribe Evil in the heart of Paul Kimball.

    He always provokes, and I think his thoughts in this matter are more self-serving than objective.

    He wants his blog to be active and popular, and this was one way to make it so, it seems.

    (I do that all the time, even though we're not accumulating readers for ad purposes or other monetary reasons. We just like to raise hell.)

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, May 25, 2011  

  • My issue with Paul is his reasoning combined with his sidestepping the issues in his responses regarding a complex situation which is a clear reductionism, or a belief, imbued with cross purposes, which if belief has a higher value than life itself with or without Gods or a singular God, we can say this portrayal is also our consensus in larger terms, as a culture that lacks the recognition of critical thinking to be self skeptical when mixing human rights with ourselves as monarchical islands that are have some sort of magical thinking that arrives as effects due to our own misplaced certainty..in we know without any question this is that and that is this. If a question is not loaded, then perhaps it is not a question, but then we see other signs of this pathology of edicts all around us at the place of dialog, debate that goes beyond rhetoric. I happen to think Paul is a gifted and creative documentary filmmaker but any artists worth their salt desires to be challenged, desires to be questioned as he questions for a dialog. Is this correct? In the end of this, my intent was to bring this to his attention in unmistakable terms. There is the expression of subjectivity that becomes a propagandized endorsement and this is a real danger to him and to us. Right or wrong, we are on opposite ends of this view, yet someone had to challenge this view, a blameworthy devil like myself. No one except Anthony seemed other than lukewarm. Remember this if Peter goes through with this, the damage is more than potentially personal to others, it signify s the demise of curiosity in a symbolic ritual of self absorption. Some subjects are difficult, that to me telegraphs their importance, rather than arguing over if there are two dimensions or twenty. I like the person but loath his close mindedness.Can they be separated? Others must answer this, a dialog is called for, not dismissal.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, May 25, 2011  

  • BTW..
    If there is a God, then it is my suspicion he advocates, not repels free will. Abortion is not the same issue as suicide based on a Heaven's Gate view of the universe. Women are free to chose and should be free to choose but this is another matter just as the issues of terminal illness and the right for one to end their own suffering is not the same as jumping off a cliff to affirm delusions. Do you agree?

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, May 25, 2011  

  • Bruce:

    For me God is dead...he was but isn't any more....it's a long story from me that I won't bore you with...and it has nothing to do with Nietzsche.

    For me the abotion issue is similar to the suicide issue, in that one posits free determination for women to abort babies but then denies others a determination to end their own life.

    It's problematical for me.

    Gersten can take his own life if he chooses but that goes against my seminary training with the Jesuits.

    The repercussions of taking one's own life may be as dire as that which takes a babies/fetus' life.

    (The potential baby may be a future Jonas Salk or Einstein or Beethoven even.)

    What awaits a person who takes their own life? An absence from the God-head....yes, the Spirit lives on. (Another time, another debate)

    Your point about the delusional factor is well-taken.

    If one doesn't know what they're doing or if they make a decision based upon faulty information, like the end of the world scenario (just passed) or the Heaven's Gate scenario, then I agree, one has to intervene, if possible.

    It then is a moral/intellectual/humane issue.

    You are better versed at this than I am, so I defer to your view, but I can't adjudicate Paul Kimball's online position.

    It's grist for debate, and maybe nothing more.

    I don't know.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, May 25, 2011  

  • I think that we can all agree that the UFO is indeed “mind boggling.” Perhaps this is intentional. Perhaps there is a mental dynamic involved. Perhaps even the intense study of the UFO can bring on mental challenges.

    The relationship between consciousness and the UFO has been explored in many of my articles (including ones on UFOs and LSD and on the connection between memory metal and mind.) I also believe that sightings can be transformative.

    But this enigmatic UFO-Mind relationship can be a dangerous one as well….

    I must agree with Bruce. In the end, this is all rhetoric and we are obligated to action. We are presented with a real life, in-the-now opportunity to prevent the public suicide of a person who has given much to the UFO community. All “philosophizing” aside-

    Several days before Peter’s planned “Leap of Faith” I am going to contact the Greenlee County, AZ Police Department (which has jurisdiction over Bell Rock) to report suspicion of an attempted suicide. I am also going to contact the Empact Suicide Prevention Center Arizona for a crisis prevention and response, an outreach service this wonderful organization provides.

    AJB
    Anthony Bragalia

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Wednesday, May 25, 2011  

  • I asked the Mozart / abortion question to Dr. Henry Morgentaler at a public lecture when I was in college, and his response was spot on: just as likely one aborts the next Hitler, or Stalin.

    As for Gersten, what I might say to him about his plans in private are between him and I. I'm not going to make a public spectacle of it. I merely pointed out that things were certainly not as clear-cut as Bragalia presented, i.e. Gersten is not "mad" simply because he might choose to end his life. The one thing that I believe without reservation is that it is his absolute right to do so. Whether it's the correct thing to do, or even the moral thing to do, is another question, on which reasonable people can disagree.

    As for trying to bump up blog views, hardly Rich. If I wanted to do that, I'd write a post about Roswell. ;-)

    Paul

    P.S. Re: Bragalia's goofy original post, Knell is and always has been a crook, not a madman, as Frank Warren pointed out. Bill Moore might be many things, but "mad" is not one of them. I suspect that he just got tired of corresponding with Bragalia, and used his own particular brand of humour to send him on his way. I'm sure if he reads about his inclusion in Braglia's list of "madman" as a result, he'll get quite the chuckle.

    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Wednesday, May 25, 2011  

  • Bruce,

    I never take it personally, so fire away.

    Paul

    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Wednesday, May 25, 2011  

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    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Wednesday, May 25, 2011  

  • Paul-

    Someone found sitting in his own feces and urine -like Knell- has descended into madness. He may have been a crook too, but you are of course wrong Paul- sane people do not recline in their own waste. Or perhaps you do?

    Your calling my article "goofy" is funny. This is because this "goofy" article brings up salient points which you yourself have chosen to expand on- both here and on your own blog.

    Oh, and Paul...When I do an article on UFOs and "goofs" - I will be sure to highlight you.

    AJB
    Anthony Bragalia

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Wednesday, May 25, 2011  

  • Anthony
    While some would chose to say one thing in public and the opposite in private, I can only hope that Peter receives the true support and assistance he deserves for his mental instability. No doubt this is a complex issue but..I would prefer to err on the side of compassion rather than quoting philosophy. In terms of your essay, while I do disagree with your general premise under the general blanket of Ufology, there is a linkage between high intelligence, disturbed sleep cycles ( night owls), mental instability, depression and arterial disease and so then there is another issue, bright folks are always in search of novelty, and this phenomenon is full of fascinating riddles, and so perhaps it could be astrophysics, geology as well as the UFO phenomenon that is the locus of their obsessions. Bipolar disease, OCD and Aspergers all share various traits..one of which is depression. I have Aspergers and I am not ashamed to admit it. I also have been diagnosed with chronic depression which is another symptom. I take my anti-depressants and am fine though some days are better than others. Thank you for bringing this subject out of the dark, regardless if it Ufology or biochemistry. Both you and I know this extends beyond philosophy as a very nuanced and complex issue.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Thursday, May 26, 2011  

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