posted by RRRGroup at
Monday, July 18, 2011
Rich:Re UFOs and GHCQ: I did a lot of research into this link back in the mid-to-late 1990s, thanks to the research of a man named Robin Cole, who lives in Cheltenham, England, where GCHQ is based. The story is a real can of worms told in my 2006 book, On the Trail of the Saucer Spies.However, you can find a summary article from me on Robin's findings here:http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2011/04/ufos-and-the-inner-sanctum/
By Nick Redfern, at Monday, July 18, 2011
Thanks, Nick...You have your fingers into every significant UFO pie.RR
By RRRGroup, at Monday, July 18, 2011
Rich:The most significant thing about the whole Robin Cole-GCHQ saga is that it demonstrates that, in Britain, UFOs are not solely the domain of the Ministry of Defense, as we are told. Cole was interviewed by representatives of the British Police Force's Special Branch about his UFO studies.SB made a fatal mistake - they requested the interview with Cole in advance, so this gave Robin the opportunity to hide a tape-recorder in the room and tape the interview - which is a fascinating historical record.
Nick:It would be great to have a transcript of that taping -- or even a precis of the contents, excerpts even.You can provide that, I hope...and press you for...(Yes, I'm a S.O.B.)RR
I don't personally have it. But Robin still does and it's a weird bit of little-known UK Government involvment in Ufology that has zero to do with the Ministry of Defense.SB were not happy with Robin's tactics, as was evidenced when I chatted with a representative of them around 99 or 2000 to get their comments.Much of their concern was not directly related to UFOs, but focused on whether UK UFO researchers were using their research as a cover to wander around the perimeters of secure installations and take photos for protest groups etc.This is made interesting by the fact that the FBI was watching the Contactees of the early 50s for similar reasons - to determine if the "the aliens want us to disarm our nukes" scenario was a cover to promote communism.So, at least a part of SB and GCHQ's involvement centers around the people in the field, not necessarily the phenomenon - but which is still very interesting!
Nick:That damn cold war/communism mind-set sure played into a lot of things, and warped them accordingly.Somehow UFOs and other "important" activities were subverted by the warped view of where the real dangers lay.This involves mental entropy, as Susskind would have it (re: black holes and quantum).But that for another time and posting here....RR
Yeah, I agree. That era of Cold War fears spilling over into Ufology is very intriguing re the whole Nedelcovic thing, and in later years re Bennewitz. And, I'm pretty sure this influenced the mindset of people like Britain's Special Branch (who, for example, released their files on the Aetherius Society a few years ago - files that reflect more concern about the Aetherius Society's views on atomic weapons than on aliens).
I think Nick pegged the context inasmuch as the private researchers research the government researchers who research the private researchers and Nick researches the body politic of what my late brother in law was engaged to, which was the discovery process of motive, means and opportunity, surrounding an apparently inexplicable series of events. I think this also indicates where the bonds came loose on the track that derailed the train of serious research of an unknown phenomenon, and became a three ring circus, full of sound and fury that signified nothing new in researching the phenomenon itself, which then became a secondary or third hand pursuit. The "researchers" became the story and the dynamic became so off topic that it got tied in it's own shoelaces. The point of the exercise was lost but seemingly no one noticed it.
By Bruce Duensing, at Tuesday, July 19, 2011
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