UFO Conjecture(s)

Tuesday, July 19, 2011

Quantum UFOs


We’ve touched on this previously with several blog postings, but a reading of The Black Hole War by Leonard Susskind [Little, Brown and Company, NY, 2008] allows for an extrapolation of our views.


The whole tenor of Susskind’s discussion of black holes and his consternation with Stephen Hawking’s once held view about black holes and information (the loss of it) revolves around the idea that quantum theory applies to black holes….something macroscopic rather than microscopic, which is generally the province of quantum reality.

Large elements of reality have always been eschewed by quantum physicists, but Susskind, and others, apply quantum mechanics to black holes, which are an egregious element of large reality:

“Jacob Bekenstein [a noted Israeli physicist]…had a sense that black holes had something profound to say about the laws of nature. He was particularly interested in how black holes might fit together with the principles of Quantum Mechanics and thermodynamics that had so preoccupied Einstein.” [Page 147]


So we contend, hypothetically, that UFOs may be quantum artifacts – large quantum particles as it were.


UFOs mimic several aspects of quantum theory: the indeterminacy of location, observation (measurement) of UFOs affect them, and their reality is hypothetical, not actual in practical, classical terms.

Quantum artifacts behave in strange, quirky ways, as you know. UFOs behave similarly.

UFOs, more often than not, disappear when observed, suddenly rather than gradually, according to most UFO sighting-reports.

The Hungarian physicist Eugene Wigner [1902-1995] said this:


“When we become conscious of something, we bring about the crucial collapse of the wave function, so that the perplexing mixed states of [reality] disappear.” [Page 148, Introducing Quantum Theory, Totem Books, NY, 1997].


UFOs behave, usually, as waves rather than particles, but they have had substance, seemingly, as trace elements of them have been adequately reported; however, they behave more readily as waves (of light), especially in current times.

As for quantum, Niels Bohr said this:


“Whether an object behaves as particle or wave depends on your choice of apparatus for looking at it.” [Page 160, Ibid]

Bohrs insight applies to Paul Kimball’s favorite UFO event, the so-called RB-47 sighting of 1957.


Erwin Schrodinger (of dead/live cat fame) conjectured that particles – let us insert UFOs here – do not exist at all, but are just a “superimposition of waves” [Page 140, Ibid]


While quantum mechanics/theory is abstruse for many, we think it may be a vehicle -- a methodology – for study of the UFO phenomenon.

We’ll continue this hypothetical thrust here (and elsewhere)…..



  • I stopped visiting this blog about a year or so ago when it seemed to rarely stray very far from posts devoted to (yawn) Roswell (yawn). I returned recently via a link to a post on The Debris Field.

    Looking over recent posts here, it appears this blog has moved into far more interesting and provocative speculation and discussion of the UFO phenomenon (this post being a case in point).

    I think I'll be coming back often.

    By Blogger purrlgurrl, at Tuesday, July 19, 2011  

  • Purrlgurrl we've always consider you one of our favorite commenters...

    But I agree, Roswell is a turn-off for some, but a magnet for others,

    I was going to post a thing about the allure of Roswell, but will reconsider after your plaint.

    We'll try to stay provocative and unique here.

    We wouldn't you to go away angry.

    (Besides, our friend Paul Kimball, where you liked to visit, has given up the "ghost," literally, for a while, and we'd like to fill the void, even if we can't fill his insightful shoes.)


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, July 19, 2011  

  • I really enjoyed that Paul was moving away from the ETH and exploring non-alien causes for the UFO phenomenon.

    It's time for Ufology to consider explanations other than Grays, Reptilians, and crashed hardware. That avenue has proven to be a dead end so far.

    That all might be shown to be true some day (or never), but the universe of other possibilities is infinitely greater than that and the truth of UFOs could well lie elsewhere, from quantum entanglement to the physiology of the human brain.

    By Blogger purrlgurrl, at Tuesday, July 19, 2011  

  • I obviously agree PG...

    Paul encouraged us and we him that the UFO mystery needs a truly out-of-the-box hypothesis and study.

    The ETH is not unacceptable to us, but has proven to be elusive, when it is such a "mundane" possibility that it shouldn't have been or be the hard nut to crack as it has proven to be.

    The reptilian thing is too far out and unsustainable as far as evidence goes.

    Crashed hardware is another aspect that has proven to be without scientific merit.

    That's why the quantum suggestion is grist for our thought processes; UFOs mimic the whole quantum panoply.

    And even though quantum theory is loopy and we take a dim view of it in the Einsteinian sense, it does resonate as a metaphor or template for the UFO phenomenon.

    And we'll continue to explore our assumed "connection."


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, July 19, 2011  

  • Having incorporated this overlay of quantum theory for some years in my writing, then extending it into macro examples for examination, I still sense that unknown aerial phenomenon has been ripe for exploration by physics for some time, and it's only the stigma of the lunacies postulated by a comic book culture that has made most understandably gun shy, with the exception of Dr Michio Kaku, who laudably has taken the high road, performing a delicate balance of being conservative enough to maintain his credibility while doing an elegant end run around pop culture, with an open but skeptical approach.
    There is so much left to examine discuss and think about, yet the old ufology is seemingly frozen in time and territoriality over a living enigma.I would love to see PBS do a show that is simply a discussion among the leading minds of our time and let them loose. A dialog between Kaku and biocentrism advocates would be fascinating, among several combinations. Instead we have "ghost hunters" and psuedo documentaries on how lizards built the great pyramids. Comic book culture seems to be winning, and so posts such as this are a breath of fresh air, away from the wash rinse dry cycle of inbred experts.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, July 20, 2011  

  • Bruce:

    It has always been thus...

    The hoi polloi -- the rabble (sorry Nick) -- has always had its way with the overt social structure and communal communication, while the truth-seekers -- alchemists, philosophers, scientists, et al. --pursued reality, sub rosa, far away from the masses.

    The problem with ufology is that the rabble has gotten ahold of it, and has made the topic even messier than it was when a raft of so-called UFO researchers got hold of it.

    The only way to correct the lousy status quo is for the Noah option: drown the bevy of ufology's geezers and begin afresh with a clean slate.

    Yes, I know that some will say the geezers have provided a lot of valuable information and investigation that shouldn't be ignored or scrapped.

    That's a canard.

    But newbies won't be standing on the shoulders of giants; they'll be astride the ashes or remains of a besotted group of egoists and nincompoops who have mucked up the study of UFOs with their personal and pervese peccadilloes.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, July 20, 2011  

  • Vlatko Vedral, “Living in a Quantum World: Quantum mechanics is not just about tiny particles. It applies to things of all sizes: birds, plants and maybe even people,” Scientific American, June 2011.

    And ufos.

    My take on ufos isn't ETH but rather that the military black budget has built off the high voltage magnetogravitic or electrogravitic energy -- call it black hole, call it quantum entanglement, call is plasma, etc.

    Do "plasma balls" in Nature rely on similar effects -- the analysis of the Hassdalen Lights indicates yes.

    By Blogger spiraldance, at Wednesday, July 20, 2011  

  • Interesting perspective and it deserves more attention. I've considered this option for quite a while now, particularly interdimensional/multiverse.

    But how does it explain mass sightings such as the Phoenix Lights? Or UFOs that clearly display physical characteristics and interact with the observer, as described by reliable witnesses in Leslie Kean's UFOs book?

    There's so much to ufology, I think we're dealing with multiple phenomena that a one-theory-fits-all just doesn't cut it. The quantum theory works for some UFOs, but there are always exceptions!

    Cheers for the food thought,

    Rick MG

    By Blogger levitatingcat, at Sunday, July 24, 2011  

  • Glad to see this post. I have also been considering the UFO phenomenon as consistent with the bizarreness of the quantum world that nobody understands. And of course nobody understands the UFO enigma neither.

    UFOs flashing in and out of existence like quantum particles, the anomalies of space and time associated with *genuine* ufology and its parallel with quantum mechanics is also worth pursuing.

    I don't think you can explain the one enigma by the other, just that they are both consistent with one another, and the same fundamental 'forces' may be at work and underlie both, whatever these forces or natural laws may be.

    By Blogger Lawrence, at Sunday, July 24, 2011  

  • Rick and Lawrence...

    The view that the underlying forces that affect quantum artifacts and/or reality may be the same forces that affect UFOs I find acceptable and intriguing.

    Also, the idea that one "theory" doesn't explain UFOs in toto is reasonable and probably true too.

    The mystery is multi-faceted, surely.

    Quantum may be an attribute but there are other possibilities we should consider.

    I'm open to anything that is thoughtfully presented, and fits the data and reports that have been accumulated about the phenomenon, including the regularly dismissed ETH.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, July 24, 2011  

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