The UFO Iconoclast(s)

Tuesday, August 16, 2011

Our friend Nick


Nick Redfern is a good buddy, and we love the guy.

Accordingly, we've placed lots of his material online at several of our blogs and web-sites.

He had what he thinks is an incident of synchronicity. We posted his note to us and you can read about it by clicking HERE.

Also we have items HERE and HERE.

If you're a Redfern fan, as we are, you'd do well to keep tabs on his Fortean shenanigans.

23 Comments:

  • I don't think his example amounts to much, as I noted on his blog. Coincidences abound and I have read of and heard of so many that they become boring after a while.

    Of course if one believes some outside entity or force guides our lives and arranges these events for us, that is a different matter.

    People's reactions to synchronicities and coincidences can vary an awful lot. Also, what at first seems startling can after reflection seem far less so.

    By Blogger cda, at Wednesday, August 17, 2011  

  • Christopher:

    Jung's papers on synchronicities are interesting, but, like the UFO stuff, don't amount to anything that I can sink my teeth into.

    It's fun stuff, but that's about it.

    Nick (and his pal, Paul Kimball) get gaga when they experience these coincidences.

    And because we're buddies with these guys, we play along.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, August 17, 2011  

  • CDA:

    This is precisely why - as i note in my comment to yours at my blog - that I asked the question: Coincidence or Synchronicity?

    The people to worry about are those who KNOW it's synchronicity.

    Or those who KNOW there is a Heaven and Hell.

    I specifically posed it in the form of a question - could it be coincidence or could it be synchronistic? - because I am open-minded on such things, not set in stone.

    So, I have no way of knowing (or no way of concluding either) that it's coincidence or more.

    Only that I find such things interesting.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Wednesday, August 17, 2011  

  • And speaking of Heaven and Hell, Nick, theologically, those aren't concrete places but, rather, states of the mind or soul.

    Religion has been remiss in explaining the concepts.

    Hisduism and Buddhism explain, as Joseph Campbell told us, heaven as a state of bliss, and hell as an awareness that one hasn't lived a moral or ethical life.

    The Church admits that Hell is the absence from God...the recognition that one will not be in the presence of the Divine, whatever that might be.

    I'm constantly surprised that atheists -- you and Chris Aubeck for instance -- believe in chapacabras, having never seen one, and Fortean incidents, where the evidence is much slighter than that of a presence one might call God, Whom is dead now, unfortunately.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, August 17, 2011  

  • Rich:

    You say: "And speaking of Heaven and Hell, Nick, theologically, those aren't concrete places but, rather, states of the mind or soul."

    Yes, I would agree - if they exist.

    However, mainstream religion has dumbed-down the notion that Heaven and Hell are places - one fiery and horrific, the other all clouds and relaxation.

    I would not call myself a 100 percent athiest. I am open-minded on the idea that something - some essence - may (I stress MAY) survive death.

    But I have complete and utter loathing for those who claim to (a) KNOW for sure what the afterlife may be (Heaven and Hell); and (b) those ever-increasing numbers of people who use religion as a tool of control via instilling fear and guilt.

    It's the scum of religion I have a problem with, not that people might want to believe.

    I don't care what people believe. But I draw the line at some preacher telling me I'm going to a pitchfork-dominated Hell if I don't pray on a Sunday.

    Scum, scum, scum, scum (etc etc etc).

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Wednesday, August 17, 2011  

  • So, I'm guessing Nick that you're not enamored of your Texas Governor, Rick Perry.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, August 17, 2011  

  • HELL NO! (pardon the irony)

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Wednesday, August 17, 2011  

  • And exactly what "HELL" would that be, Nick?

    (Rhetorical)

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, August 17, 2011  

  • An imaginary one. Life after death? Could be, maybe, possibly. But Pitchforks, horned demons, harps etc etc? Er.....no.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Wednesday, August 17, 2011  

  • So maybe, Nick, you're an agnostic rather than a full-blown atheist.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, August 17, 2011  

  • Well, truly, the only time I ever think of life after death, is when I see it mentioned here!

    I really don't dwell on such matters, anymore than the average person does, of course.

    I think to consider yourself a believer, agnostic, or atheist, you have to give much thought and consideration to the subject, to allow you to say "I'm this or that."

    But, I don't give it any real specific thought unless it's brought up, like here.

    I'd say I am open-minded to the possibility of life-after-death, without the baggage of what amounts to organized religion.

    But, I think dwelling on such matters can only lead to madnees. If there's something or nothing after death, that's how it goes. The thing to do is live this life to the absolute fullest regardless.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Wednesday, August 17, 2011  

  • You are a "bon vivant" Nick.

    You love the hoi polloi, a good beer, and pizza.

    What more is there?

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, August 17, 2011  

  • What else? Horror movies, punk rock, sex, football (ok, soccer, if I have to call it that!), family, friends, health, a sunny beach, but that's about it!

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Wednesday, August 17, 2011  

  • Punk rock?

    Ohmygawd!

    No Mahler, no Beethoven, no Chopin, no Verdi, no Lady Gaga?

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, August 17, 2011  

  • Good god no, no arty-farty stuff!

    Sex Pistols, Damned, Angelic Upstarts, Vandals, Bad Religion, Misfits, Ramones, etc. My musical tastes (I am proud and pleased to say) have not changed (or advanced haha) since I was a spiky-haired (really!) teenager.

    Ok, I do like a few others - Motorhead, Megadeth, Rammstein, Rob Zombie, Prodigy, Fear Factory, and much stuff like that.

    I actually really like Julee Cruise, too, and even the Ronettes and the Crystals and all those 1960s "doomed love-song" girl-bands of that era (Phil Spector-produced etc). But that 60s stuff and Cruise is about as far as I go with stuff that is not intense, fast and loud.

    But no dance music, disco crap, reggae bullshit, jazz abominations, and no Beethoven type bollocks either. Violins, pianos, acoustic guitars etc need destroying (mostly). Long-dead composers with foreign-sounding names? Pah!!

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Wednesday, August 17, 2011  

  • Chopin? Wasnt he that old cinematic comedian with the black suit, stick and little moustache?

    Verdi? Sounds like a type of bird's perfume.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Wednesday, August 17, 2011  

  • This is music:

    http://nickspicoftheday.blogspot.com/2011/08/nicky-johnny-greggy.html

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Wednesday, August 17, 2011  

  • Nick:

    You Blaspheme!

    (You're lucky God is dead.)

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, August 17, 2011  

  • LOLOL

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Wednesday, August 17, 2011  

  • I think "gaga" is a bit much. ;-)

    PK

    By Blogger Paul Kimball, at Thursday, August 18, 2011  

  • You might be right, Paul.

    I have a tendency to go gaga with my observations, but you know that.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, August 18, 2011  

  • "I'm constantly surprised that atheists -- you and Chris Aubeck for instance -- believe in chapacabras, having never seen one, and Fortean incidents, where the evidence is much slighter than that of a presence one might call God, Whom is dead now, unfortunately."

    I certainly don't believe in the Chupacabras. The word "Fortean," however, is general enough to cover virtually anything unexpected.

    And what in the world could be slighter than evidence for God? Rumors, claims and legends have about equal standing as far as I know.

    By Blogger Chris Aubeck, at Tuesday, August 23, 2011  

  • Chris:

    The "evidence" for God -- now dead, by the way -- is no different than the evidence for aerial phenomena, or so I glean from "Wonders in the Sky."

    Creation and procreation, for me, makes a kind of sense that is no less viable than the (non)sense you and others derive from Fortean phenomena.

    By (non)sense I mean that Fortean events are as unexplainable as Godsense, but you blokes believe in Fortean events while I and a few others of the fringe believe in God -- despite His passing.

    You say tomato and I say tomatah.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, August 23, 2011  

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