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Monday, September 12, 2011

The Carlos Alberto Diaz abduction, not unlike the Antonio Villas Boas episode


Joseph Brill wrote, in Official UFO magazine [February, 1976, Page 12 ff.] about an alleged “abduction” of an Argentine man, 28 year-old Carlos Alberto Diaz, in 1975.

The picture above is a sketch, from the magazine, depicting what Senor Diaz experienced.

He was “absorbed” by a descending light [UFO?] in which he was succumbed by three entities of human form but stumps rather than arms, and faces without mouths, noses, or ears and greenish-tinted skin.

He was unceremoniously deposited in a vacant field about 200 miles from the spot where he first encountered the light. The time of his “capture” was 3:50 a.m., according to his stopped watch. When he was found, during mid-day following, he had a newspaper with him that he bought in his Naposta neighborhood of Bahia Blanca, which lies southwest of Buenos Aires by the 200 miles noted. That newspaper provided credibility for his story, Brill writes.

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During his stint in a hospital, it was noticed that hair on his head and chest had been cut or taken (not by shears). He suffered no ill after-effects.

The Villas Boas case is one said to be instigated by a CIA/military psy-operation, according to DoD/CIA operative Bosco Nedelcovic, who told me the story in the late 1970s.

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Nick Redfern covers the account in his book Contactees [Chapter 20].

Nedelcovic presented a scenario that’s hard to accept by some but readily accepted by those who’ve studied the machinations of the CIA and military, the so-called psychological operations.

Villas Boas was, Nedelcovic said, collected by a special unit whose purpose was to create simulated alien contact. The unit operated in South America, with the help of A.I.D. and also in Great Britain, where Nedelcovic said they were part of the infamous Scoriton contact with a man named Bryant.

My point is that the Diaz event mimics the Boas incident, but almost twenty years later.

Was Nedelcovic privy to such simulated events. It seems so. (The UFO UpDates archives has more on Nedelcovic, involving the CIA and child-nappings with a perverse sexual element.)

However, Vallee’s and Aubeck’s Wonders in the Sky is replete – and I mean replete – with similar abduction-like events: Listings 48, 108, 116, 163, 171, 233, 337, and many more.

The CIA wasn’t around then to perform such “tricks” nor were there other groups able to create, so imaginatively, such bizarre stagings.

So, was Boas really part of a CIA experiment, and Diaz too? Did both men suffer similar psychotic-induced hallucinations? Or were both men taken by entities unknown, ETs or otherwise?

Can we ever know?

RR

11 Comments:

  • What is to be done with a one way mirror whose image depends on who is looking? Does our necessary stereotyping of our conceptual orientations influences what we see?
    Is it possible to look at a work of abstracted art and have many interpretations arise although they all see the same thing?
    Is it possible these conceptual stereotypes are viral?
    If I tell you a certain dish tastes rancid, and I pass a spoonful of it to you to also taste, would you take a bite? How deep is inference?
    In this aspect of the phenomenon is it necessary to touch the would after we have seen it?
    I have made a sort of study of these accounts as they are allegedly described by pointed questions that are lessons in disassociation in relation to compartmentalization. The real trick is the somatic senses. What was the ground like? Did you have awareness of the weight of your feet? The similarity to out of the body experiences whether it is near death encounters or abstract art, they seemingly all experience the same image and make a superimposition upon them. The wise Ibn Al Arabi suggested that no two people will experience "heaven alike" and so this may apply to being tampered with that creates internal tampering, a state of disassociation where any port will do. The safest one you can think of...perhaps.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Tuesday, September 13, 2011  

  • Bruce...

    In the Diaz case, writer Brill makes much of the "fact" that he, Diaz, was found with a newspaper from another city in Argentina, 200miles away, but bought the day previously in the early morning.

    Diaz was recovered in an open field, no car nearby, and in a befuddled state, less than 24 hours after buying that newspaper.

    CIA drugs? An actual abduction by creatures or forces unknown?

    I'd usually ascribe such an episode to a kind of psychotic moment, but that's too easy or glib.

    If Brill's story is as he presented it, Diaz underwent a strange experience, whether man-made or other worldly.

    And not to remember somatic details is understandable.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, September 13, 2011  

  • As far as facts providing the context, only Diaz knew them.
    Did anyone ask him to describe the somatic? If so, what was his report?
    As far as a newspaper being purchased 200 miles away, what roads were there? What is the elapsed time of distance? Simply put, the lack of a memory of Diaz supporting by inference, the CIA or extraterrestrials being a factor seems to fly in the face of more substantiated accounts of amnesia where many a person has found himself apparently "lost" in strange circumstances. As far as the similarity of these to NDE experiences, you might enjoy this:

    http://www.dailygrail.com/Spirit-World/2011/9/Science-Can-Explain-the-Near-Death-Experience

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Tuesday, September 13, 2011  

  • BTW..I meant to be more specific (RE: time and distance) he could have been easily been given a ride by a stranger and dropped off where he wandered into a field and have no recollection of this. Again was he given any neurological tests? What were the results?

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Tuesday, September 13, 2011  

  • Ah, those damnable NDE experiences, dealt with here earlier, as you know.

    Was Diaz hassled by someone or a group of people and metamorphed the experience into something exotic, as the Hills did?

    I think, and I bet Redfern sort of agrees with me, that the CIA and military were mucking around in South America (and elsewhere), trying out various drugs and visuals for cold war exigencies.

    The full account of what Nedelcovic told me is online here, at one of the first postings, which you might access in the archived listings. It's an interesting story.

    Or you can find a precis in Nick's book, Contactees, as I've noted.

    Get back to me when you've scoured the story and its details.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, September 13, 2011  

  • Who said what, where and for what purpose adds to Heider's Rashomon Effect that is not evidential but anecdotal inference. Gossip, to put it bluntly. As I said Diaz knew or did not know what happened to him, and unless there is substantiation that the Church Hearings missed a significant portion of MKULTRA, or that theoretical missing portion is unearthed, again this is gossip by various vested parties dressed up in expert opinion clothes. Nothing to hang a hat on and therefore not much else to say about it coming from me. Interesting but ultimately its following a bouncing ball in a familiar variation of a tune.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Tuesday, September 13, 2011  

  • Postscript:
    Anyone who points a finger at the fairer sex and claims they are the sole purveyors of gossip has never met a "ufologist." LOL.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Tuesday, September 13, 2011  

  • I think we're entering a semantic jungle here, Bruce.

    Gossip is not necessarily pejorative; it wasn't initially anyway.

    It, because of tabloid media, is now a four-letter word.

    Hearsay doesn't apply either.

    Diaz told his story, Villas Boas his.

    They smack of similarities; Diaz maybe getting his material from the earlier Boas tale.

    But Nedelcovic, despite some rumors of perversity with children, was an A.I.D. worker under contract with the DoD, and subsequently identified as a CIA operative when the child-nappings were uncovered.

    His story of CIA/military machinations can be dismissed out of hand, but that would not be objective or scientific, would it?

    Read his account and let me know where it's wanting.

    I won't press you further, as I did that with Jeff Ritzmann about a photo analysis and I no longer hear from him.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, September 13, 2011  

  • On the issue of abductions, I saw this morning that Charles Hickson has passed away.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Wednesday, September 14, 2011  

  • Thanks, Nick...

    Kandinsky apprised us of Hickson's death in a comment at the previous posting.

    Now might be a time for someone to contact Parker for his thoughts on Hickson and their "abduction."

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, September 14, 2011  

  • Definitely. I always felt that Parker seemed severely traumatized by the event, and perhaps could add significant data if he was willing to enter the fray again.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Wednesday, September 14, 2011  

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