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Thursday, September 08, 2011

The Navy, Georgia, 1947, and Roswell?

This photo appeared in True Flying Saucers & UFOs Quarterly, Number 4, Winter 1977, Page 74.

The inscription reads -- you can read it yourself by clicking HERE and then clicking on the image (to enlarge) if it remains unreadable:

When a rash of baffling "flying discs" flooded the Georgia skies in 1947, the Navy came up with a possible answer to the spectacle, saying the "discs" were probably so-called "raywinds", [sic] tenfoil [sic, again] covered devices borne aloft by balloons to to measure high wind velocities. [Italics mine]

The questions that come to mind are these:

What does the Navy have to do with "flying discs"? (I've always maintained that the Navy is the fount where UFO buffs can find more pertinent information than from the Air Force.)

What was the flap in Georgia in 1947?

Did it have anything to with Roswell?

And why does this balloon array look like the Mogul array?

What's your take, if you have one?



  • "The questions that come to mind are these:

    What does the Navy have to do with "flying discs"?"

    The top secret (declassified) Analysis of Flying Object Incidents In the U.S, dated 12/10/48 was prepared by the USAF Directorate of Intelligence and the Office of Naval Intelligence.

    If you think about it, the Navy had more reasons to be interested in the upper atmosphere to the edges of outer space than the USAF.

    "And why does this balloon array look like the Mogul array?"

    The "raywind" and Mogul and Mogul-like photo ops in 1947 began after Roswell/Rhodes/Smith in early July. You can find out about it on David Rudiak's site.

    "What was the flap in Georgia in 1947?"

    AFAIK, Any flap in Georgia during the 1947 Wave went unrecorded by the usual ufological sources, unless there is something in bluebook.



    By Blogger Sourcerer, at Thursday, September 08, 2011  

  • Thanks, Don...


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, September 08, 2011  

  • The Navy operates in the air, on the water, and under the water. So it has two additional reasons to be interested in UFOs/USOs.

    But so many interested in UFOs just don't seem to realize that, so they short-sightedly focus on and believe all answers lie with the USAF.

    By Blogger purrlgurrl, at Thursday, September 08, 2011  

  • The Navy was using the U.S.S. Norton Sound as a Pacific sonde rocket launchpad from late 1948 onward. Records indicate that they achieved orbital height very early on, but not orbital velocity. I have seen the early USN proposal to the USAF, inviting them to join in a joint Satellite research program. From this historical distance, it appears that the USAF stalled until RAND had time to make a study and then came in with the counter proposal that eventually become the SAMOS project.

    Anyway, more specifically relating to the USN and the 1948 report. I have been investigating the life of Thomas Townsend Brown for quite some time. He resigned from the U.S. Navy in 1942, but his son-in-law tells me that even in the last decade of his life, Townsend was sent for by sub tender to board a USN nuclear sub laying by just outside of Catalina Harbor. For this and other reasons, I doubt that Townsend severed his Naval connections completely.

    He moved his family to Kaui in 1947. His daughter, Linda reports that in late 1948, he accompanied his Mother to the mainland to be hospitalized. The Zanesville family was scandalized to learn that he left her deathbed in the middle of December. Linda believes he would have done this only for some national crisis. In that small window of time, the UFO flap was the biggest one on the radar.

    Once I read the December report, I felt that I was seeing Townsend's input in the section of the 1948 report where it suggested that the UFO activity seemed to correlate with sidereal time cycles and this might be an arena for fruitful study.

    Much later, when Townsend was on the hotseat for claiming he had a machine that could predict the stock market, I find it VERY interesting that when the ONI requested Townsend's sidereal radiation correlation data for analysis, they were given a few data subsets from 1938 and told that no more had been collected.

    When I analyzed what they were given it seemed to me that it was the (basically) useless subsets that no one ever claimed significance for. Having been deemed irrelevant, they would not have justified continued collection. BUT, as is clear from the report, the NRL was not provided, nor encouraged to look at the important and strongly correlated subsets.

    By Blogger A Rose by any other name..., at Saturday, December 31, 2011  

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