UFO Conjectures

Monday, September 19, 2011

Ray Stanford

Ray Stanford, Age 37 (from an article in UFO Report by Franco Cernero, June 1976, Page 46 ff.)

Mr. Stanford is noted for his misfortunately named book about the 1964 Lonnie Zamora UFO sighting in Socorro, New Mexico: Socorro Saucer in a Pentagon Pantry

Despite the fact that Mr. Stanford was complicit in the Air Force's inept attempt to beloud the Socorro incident by re-imaging the insignia that Office Zamora saw on the craft he is famously aligned with, we like that Mr. Stanford has always, it seems, attempted to attack the UFO mystery in obtuse and imaginative, unique ways.

The article referenced above was about Ray Stanford's "Project Starlight" -- a project geared to accessing UFOs in ways that might generate some clues or an explanation of the UFO enigma.

Writer Cernero concentrated on Mr. Stanford's Project Starlight International's laser signaling attempt to zero in on UFOs cluttering the skies of Texas in 1973.

If other "ufologists" were as creative as Ray Stanford, we might not be musing over, still, what UFOs are or were...



  • Rich,

    I have to tell you that Stanford is, from my perspective, one of the worst of the UFO personalities. I am writing over at Kevin's blog about his poor research skills.

    I haven't even gone through his stupid channeling of the Space Brothers and other esoterica. Instead I focus on how he takes hearsay testimony and reports it as fact, indeed PREFERRING hearsay over actual testimony.

    I also mention that Stanford claims to have lots of clear close-up daylight footage of classic saucers (from 40+ years ago) that he won't release (because he is scientifically validating it, snort, where have heard that one before? Oh yeah, from virtually every paranormal fraud.).

    Listening to Stanford in interviews is a study in self-absorbed dumbassery. He repeats supposedly verbatim conversations that ring about as true as his daylight film claim. In all these "conversations", the great Ray Stanford looks terrific.

    Since I know someone will invariably bring up Stanford's excellent and unquestioned ability to find dinosaur fossil evidence, something he has done with great success, I point out that this has nothing to do with whether or not Stanford really talks to Space People.


    By Blogger Lance, at Monday, September 19, 2011  

  • Lance:

    I've seen your comments about Ray Stanford at Kevin's blog.

    You always make incendiary but good points.

    My take on Mr. Stanford is that he takes oblique views about the UFO mystery, and approaches the topic with a creative imagination, thats' all.

    So few UFO hobbyists do that. Mac Tonnies was one, may he rest in peace.

    And I try [sic] to do so, also.

    Stanford may stumble upon something that clears the air as far as UFOs go.

    It's his out-of-the-box approaches that I'm touting.

    He, like all of us, can be criticized for things, even Socorro, which he is considered an "expert" on.

    I like Edward de Bono type thinking, and Stanford does that, and has for some time.

    Maybe he does or did talk with space people. Who really knows?

    (I talk to myself a lot, and some of my gang think I'm spacey.)


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, September 19, 2011  

  • Hiya Rich, I can understand why various elements of Intelligence and military pay so much attention to ufo researchers.

    The PSI initiative sought to monitor and communicate with aerial objects. Peter Davenport's passive radar shared the same ambitions, but on a much wider scale. Then there was the 80s/90s attention to AFBs and locations like Area 51.

    As a means of studying UFOs and, hopefully, identifying their movements, patterns and potentially their propulsion...great ideas.

    On the other hand, they'd also be identifying the aerial objects being flown by the CIA or military. This would require some interaction between civilian monitoring stations and the kind of people for whom secrecy and National security is the be-all and end-all.

    I can't see any great initiatives being allowed when they trespass/overlap into the remits of NRO, CIA, USAF or even the FAA. Even if there was no such thing as UFOs (in the exotic sense), it's understandable that such agencies would baulk at civilians watching the watchers and publishing their findings for anyone to read.

    Even today, long after the Berlin Wall and the Cold War, jets from East and West continue to test the defences of their respective rivals.

    I sometimes think this reality is overlooked by people focused on the UFO phenomena. You've made similar points in recent blogs that life goes on in spite of our curiosity. It really does and the UFO phenomena is a minor sideshow to the political to and fro of national interests.

    By Blogger Kandinsky, at Monday, September 19, 2011  

  • And Kandinsky...

    UFOs really don't impact (or shouldn't) one's daily living, unless they think they were abducted or saw something so spectacular that it halts the mundane.

    UFOs are, as you intuit, a curiosity, a good curiosity, but not one that has much to do with one's life or death exigencies.

    Nonetheless, it takes the sting out of boredom, and it provides a mode of interaction between us curious types.

    While the military and some government agencies seem to be absorbed by UFOs, along with a few UFO radicals, we saner types take them in stride and have fun with them.

    Well, sort of fun...


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, September 19, 2011  

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