UFO Conjecture(s)

Saturday, September 03, 2011

UFOcus


An article in UFO Report, September 1978, by Alex Evans, about two young fellows in Maine [1975] who saw a UFO, were allegedly abducted, then visited by some so-called “men-in-black” got me to thinking about how shattered the topic and study of UFOs is.

I found Mr. Evans’ piece to be very interesting, for several reasons, so I Googled the names and found a MUFON link to Bob Pratt’s web-site – Mr, Pratt died in 2005 – that has a rather thorough, bizarre, account of the Maine episode.

Click here to access the Pratt rendering

The young men, David Stephens and Glen Gray, should be contacted now to see what they can add to their totally intriguing experience.

They were inside a ship, saw alien beings, and had a total abduction experience, plus their initial UFO sighting, supplemented by a visit from strange people, that have received the sobriquet “men in black” by UFO investigators.

The problem is that there are several conjoined UFO events here, or several disparate UFO events, depending upon one’s perspective.

First there is the UFO, then there is an “abduction,” followed by a description of the inside of a UFO and the entities responsible for the UFO. Afterward, the young men and their families were ‘assaulted” by strange phenomena, as was a doctor who regressed the two fellows at the behest of UFO investigators, Shirley Fickett and Brent Raynes.

This UFO event encompasses almost everything that a UFO researcher might like to get his or her hands on: a seemingly credible account of a UFO sighting, an “abduction” (with a medical examination by alien beings using telepathic communications), and visits by men/people in black.

But what was done? Where’s the denouement?

The episode requires specialization. Someone versed in UFOs, someone versed in the abduction phenomenon, and someone versed in men-in-black accounts.

But there is more. Someone versed in psychiatric hallucinations and/or hysteria is a must, just in case the event is an hallucinosis.

Alex Evans records that Stephens, while inside the alien ship, describing a “mushroom man” (or alien), punched the “entity” (who had, large, slanted, unblinking eyes, no visible mouth, small, round nose, webbed fingers and was dressed in a flowing black robe), with no repercussion(s), accepted the futility of his situation, and laid down, letting the creatures remove his clothing (for a medical examination).

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(This variegated incident is the possible psychiatric component.)

I know of no UFO researcher or investigator who has the credentials or cachet to delve into the various facets of such a UFO account as this one, which is not atypical of many UFO events.

MUFON is collecting data, the Examiner is reporting sightings (with no evaluations) and UFO buffs are arguing about minutiae that has nothing to do with UFOs, per se.

(See the current discussion about Phil Klass at Kevin Randle’s blog or the UFO UpDate brouhaha about Jeff Rense’s anti-semitism for examples of “ufology” gone astray.)

A sincere study of UFOs, as they appear today, needs focus, not abstracted, discursive dialogue about peripheral elements that besmudge or side-track the search for what UFOs are (or were) and what their relevance is for humanity, if there is any relevance.

Everything else is entertainment, and not good entertainment either….

RR

19 Comments:

  • http://www.nicap.org/articles/CI-Loring.htm

    Regards,

    Don

    By Blogger Sourcerer, at Saturday, September 03, 2011  

  • Just a few quick notes:

    One investigator, Shirely Fickett, died in 2005. Brent Raynes is, I think, still in the biz. Dr Hopkins' story is that the MiB convinced him to destroy the tapes and notes from the sessions with David Stephens. A columnist for a Bangor ME newspaper said that the two men were not listed in the phone book, back in '84.

    Regards,

    Don

    By Blogger Sourcerer, at Saturday, September 03, 2011  

  • Thanks, Don...

    For your link, which I suggest visitors here, access.

    The NICAP information is supplemental and important to the story related in my posting.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, September 04, 2011  

  • Rich: "They were inside a ship, saw alien beings, and had a total abduction experience..."

    Only David was abducted. Glen was unconscious in the car, as I understand it. The abduction was not reported originally; it appeared during the first hypnotic regression session with [the other] Hopkins [not Budd Hopkins]. I think this is important to keep in mind when considering the symptoms reported by both. Glen was never hypnotized, and early on withdrew from the case, possibly at the urging of his parents. I don't think they were local, as was David and his family. I don't know whether they were on vacation or what.

    The Loring case is interesting on its own, but I'd want to determine whether the first intrusion was reported before this experience was reported.

    David had been in Vietnam in the Navy and recently discharged. Although the odds are he was not in combat because of his service, that is not always the case for sailors, and I'd want to account for any chance of PTSD.

    It does seem like David had a totally disorienting experience. There is a hint that he had an impact on his father. He might have had an even stronger effect on Glen. I'd also want to know about any drug use by David.

    The description of the aliens sounds like kids in Halloween costumes made out of black crepe paper (David's hypnosis) and there's the story both told that the others eyes turned orange. Black and orange are Halloween colors, and this is October 28, a time of Halloween parties.

    Hopkins' MiB story: I just don't understand MiBs. Here we have one who can make things disappear. And he is threatening Dr Hopkins, wanting him to destroy the tapes of David's sessnions. Why doesn't he just disappear them, too?

    Regards,

    Don

    By Blogger Sourcerer, at Sunday, September 04, 2011  

  • Thanks, Don...

    Alex Evans' account in UFO Report indicates that Gray was abducted too but didn't have hypnotic regression nor did he pursue the matter further, as you note.

    But he, according to Evans, was "abducted" and experienced weird manifestations during his episode with the UFO.

    The event, along with the NICAP account of sightings at Loring, give credence to the initial sighting, also by a cop.

    As for the abduction, the odd eye color (orange and black) descriptions, and the MIB intrusions, those may fall into a category rife for psychiatric evaluation.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, September 04, 2011  

  • Outside of the quasi-theological debates on the nature of the phenomenon and their silly behaviors, I suspect, these gentlemen came into contact with an atmospheric phenomenon that
    1 induced physiological effects that made both unconscious and one to enter a quasi dream state while unconscious.
    2.The dream content and context was based on the initial perception of a flying machine.
    3. They projected the image of a flying machine on the phenomenon as a "closest match"
    4. The phenomenon was certainly energetic as they were not physically touched.
    5. The energy signature is unique and unknown. If it became common rather than comparatively rare, we'd all be as mad as the mad hatter.
    Of course these are suspicions rather than a theology. Belief always gets in the way..

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Sunday, September 04, 2011  

  • BTW..In the NICAP summary, "Stephens and Gray described their UFO at first as looking like a helicopter, again like the Loring and Brunswick reports." It was alternatively described as having no visible means of propulsion as well. Presumably, one phenomenon having several physical forms or is it perception in physiology as influenced by the phenomenon itself may create red herrings which are consequently thought to be physical objects. In dualism this would suggest there is no phenomenon, but there is, although energetic and rare, it does exist. However, mistaking effects of the phenomenon for the nature of the phenomenon leads most astray into strange theologies based on belief alone.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Sunday, September 04, 2011  

  • Bruce:

    Your conjecture(s) sound reasonable to me.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, September 04, 2011  

  • Bruce: "I suspect, these gentlemen came into contact with an atmospheric phenomenon..."

    Maybe they were sprayed on from the air (the helicopter?) and poisoned.

    Regards,

    Don

    By Blogger Sourcerer, at Sunday, September 04, 2011  

  • Don
    I was recently reading the sixty year history of directed energy weapons beginning with the use of X rays to per-ionize aircraft engines in WW2 to the blooming effect of plasma weapons. Whether it is intentionally releasing radioactive materials in urban areas, biochemical experimentation on prison populations, the CIA's infamous dosing of their own employees in MK-ULTRA, I would not put it past other covert activities either intentional or inadvertent to be potential sources of exposure experienced by the unaware to some toxic effects. Clinton's presidential order declaring Area 51 exempt from any civil liability in this matter seems to underline exactly where the line is to be drawn. The public be damned. It's certainly a possibility.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Monday, September 05, 2011  

  • I forgot to mention that it would be interesting to determine if they had any long term effects to their health, especially if they were similar in nature, although I hope this is not the case.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Monday, September 05, 2011  

  • Bruce, they (I assume someone in the Stephens family) called, not an ambulance, but the Sheriff. I'd think, given the physical symptoms and the agitation, that a trip to a hospital emergency room would have been most appropriate. Lab results of bloodwork would be useful. I don't know how the ufologists found out, although it appears to have been that same day. It would have to be someone in the family or the sheriff (if he wasn't related to the Stephens) who called them. But no mention, I'm aware of, of an MD.

    Regards,

    Don

    By Blogger Sourcerer, at Monday, September 05, 2011  

  • I agree. A full medical examination was certainly called for. It was not a legal or strictly empirical matter calling for the intervention of the local law enforcement in the form of a Sheriff. When I just typed this it struck me as mildly amusing, while being a serious lost opportunity, that will remain obscure full of inferences without substance.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Tuesday, September 06, 2011  

  • I think Bruce is really on to something in his first comment.

    There might be some as yet unknown/unidentified random naturally occurring physical (as in quantum physics) phenomenon that interferes with normal brain functioning involved in a high number of cases, especially those involving alleged abduction such as this.

    By Blogger purrlgurrl, at Wednesday, September 07, 2011  

  • I just found this today while looking for links to send a friend about this case.

    I knew Dave Stephens and his family for many years. They were my next door neighbors and they ended up recruiting most of my family into their church.

    I did not know Dave was in the military! He never spoke about it! But it answers some things now. In 1990-91, Dave fell of a roof and broke his back. He was in a public hospital, but started having flashbacks of the abduction, so he was transferred to Togus, a vet hospital in Maine. That answers why he was qualified to go there.

    Dave will tell you now that the whole experience was a combination drug trip/Satanic event meant to lure him from God. I can't say for sure what I believe it was.

    By OpenID Jim, at Friday, September 09, 2011  

  • Thanks, Jim, for supplementing this story.

    Some persons also see the event as a drug-induced, pyschological aberration.

    I don't think Satan played a part but one's mind-set could think that was the case.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, September 09, 2011  

  • I agree. And Dave himself uses that period of his life when he "witnesses" to people, though he always leaves out this story. He would talk about the drugs he was on during those years, and by the sound of it, he would do whatever you put in front of him.

    I was told most of what I know by his sister, Ellie. Each time she told the story it would be embellished a little more and in recalling all the people that traveled far to talk to the family back in those days, she would get a twinkle in her eye. This area was very rural at that time (still kind of is). I am sure they really enjoyed all the attention and worked to keep people interested.

    By OpenID Jim, at Friday, September 09, 2011  

  • Despite all the possibilities, Jim, for a contrivance, mental or not, the story is a good one.

    Something happened -- something out of the ordinary.

    What that was is worthy of study itself.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, September 09, 2011  

  • Jim, if you are interested in the Dave Stephens case do a google search for

    the twilight side of a ufo encounter

    This should pull up a pdf with three articles on the case written by the investigators, including an account of David's hypnotic regression

    another search for

    Dr Herbert Hopkins

    should pull up several articles about him, including his article on his encounter with a MiB who convinced him to destroy the Stephens session files.


    Regards,

    Don

    By Blogger Sourcerer, at Saturday, September 10, 2011  

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