UFO Conjecture(s)

Friday, November 25, 2011

Help requested

French UFO researcher, Gilles Fernandez asks a favor of visitors here (to our blog).

Gilles’ forum (in France)– Skeptic Ovni: Forum d’étude pragmatique du phénomène ovni is seeking information about UFO accounts you consider solved or explained.

He writes this, in his fractured English, which I’ve deciphered as best as I can:

What are your best 3 ufological cases* - belonging to the shared/general casuistic** - that you consider now as explained, or enough explained, and which precisely have had the greatest impact on you, when you discovered/understood they were trivial/prosaic?

These cases have had just a "good level of strangeness" before for you, but precisely they are now for you explained, or enough explained?

In others words, what are your top 3 IFO [Identified Flying Objects] cases which have had the greatest impact to you personally?

Thank you very much for your participation, open to all, no matter what your main opinion regarding UFOs is.

Best regards,

Gilles Fernandez

* You can give less or more
** I mean not a case you were a direct witness to or one of your own possible sightings.


  • Socorro 1964 . . . .

    By Blogger Frank Stalter, at Friday, November 25, 2011  

  • Gilles has asked an interesting question and I look forward to the results.

    The STS-48 footage of an object changing course caught my imagination in the early '90s. Since then, it's more likely that ice particles were thrust out by the RCS jets, controlling pitch and yaw, than some errant spaceship fleeing from lasers.
    The STS-75 tether footage continues to delight people and is, once more, ice particles as bokeh.

    These examples have had an impact because they've shown how a combination of 'will-to-believe,' refusal to check the evidence and honest ignorance can lead to conclusions of alien spaceships/ life-forms.

    Otherwise, the cases that entice and fascinate are currently impervious to explanations that consign them to IFO status.

    By Blogger Kandinsky, at Friday, November 25, 2011  

  • Kandinsky said...
    "The STS-75 tether footage continues to delight people and is, once more, ice particles as bokeh.

    These examples have had an impact because they've shown how a combination of 'will-to-believe,' refusal to check the evidence and honest ignorance can lead to conclusions of alien spaceships/ life-forms."

    You bring up a fascinating point in Ufology. The internal camera aberrations.

    Where are we at with respect for duplicating these artifacts under controlled conditions? Remember those seemingly monstrous disc shaped things that David whatshisname was going on about via the tether footage 3-4 years back? I would imagine if those were just internal camera artifacts we should have been able to duplicate those in spades. Have we done that?

    Personally, I think you bring up the heaviest of the heavies in terms of identified flying objects via camera artifacts. Thanks!

    By Blogger Jeff Davis, at Saturday, November 26, 2011  

  • 1. Chiles-Whitted July '48
    2. Father Gill, over Papua, June '59
    3. Rendlesham, Dec '80

    All good cases but explainable if you allow for human error and story embellishment.

    By Blogger cda, at Saturday, November 26, 2011  

  • Hiya Jeff, the giant spaceships or critters that were seen in the Tether footage were bokeh. These occur when a lens (often telephoto or large aperture) has a shallow depth of field and is unable to focus on particles or objects near to it.

    Instead of fleets of critters in the distance, we have ice/debris particles orbiting the STS-75. The effect has been duplicated by terrestrial photographers...including the notches.

    At least, this is the explanation that makes sense to me. My first impression of the footage was 'WOW' and by the third time had diminished to seeking a prosaic cause.

    Footage and photos should be great evidence and yet they hold more uncertainty than even witness testimony. It's a tough subject to be interested in!

    By Blogger Kandinsky, at Saturday, November 26, 2011  

  • I think that Kecksburg more than likely falls into this category (If it occurred as it was reported. In consideration of the time frame of this event and the state of tracking in relation to space objects at that time, it seems more probable this was a high altitude atmospheric object belonging to "us" rather than one originating from elsewhere, and it's general trajectory was known when it failed, inasmuch as the scramble to recover it, ( as reported )was too well organized as a possibility to deploy, than it was "thrown together" at the last second. I suppose what I am saying and I think this fits into some other events, is that the Soviet and the U.S had one thing in common. We know the Soviet hid their failures, and it is reasonable to say, we hid ours in a cold war game of cat and mouse.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Sunday, November 27, 2011  

  • Gilles -

    If I was required to answer, I would say -

    1. Mantell - the crash caused by hypoxia... a balloon was the object.

    2. Chiles-Whitted - this was most likely a bolide.

    3. Aurora, TX airship crash - a hoax.

    By Blogger KRandle, at Thursday, December 01, 2011  

  • Greetings,
    Thank you so much each one for your answers. Very much appreciated
    I follow it with great interrest, but I have received a so few number of responses to constitute a "sample" modestly interresting (even if one more time the poll isn't standardized/scientific).
    I must say that there exist a french "artefact" in the sample (there are more frenchies replying of course, than others, and more "relative" UFO-skeptics have replied than "relative" ETH defensors, due to the persons I know and and who I'm, touching more my own circle).

    For the moment, Roswell, Trans-En-Provence and Campeche are provisory in the head of the answer the most gived by my little sample.

    My best IFO cases (I have not already participated) and for my own reasons are :
    The Petit-Rechain UFO picture. Trans-En-Provence french UFO case.
    RB47H "Lucy" US UFO case.

    @ Kevin Randle. I like your own polls, and I participate too. Very much appreciated you participate too! But sometimes, cause you have "closed questions, not free answer" in the poll, I dont recognize my "opinion" in the answers/ "forced choices" you propose.
    Gilles F.

    By Blogger Gilles. F., at Thursday, December 01, 2011  

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