UFO Conjectures

Friday, November 18, 2011

Moon Men on Earth?

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Mysteries of Mind, Space, & Time: The Unexplained [H. S. Stuttman, Inc., Westport, Connecticut, 1991, Volume 1, Page 54/55] used this picture to supplement a story by Mario Luisi of an alleged alien (extraterrestrial) encounter on a November night in 1980 in a Lake District village (otherwise unidentified):

Jose Caravaca provided this picture from an 1898 First Edition (he owns) of AN UNKNOWN WORLD; Two Years in The Moon, by Pierre Selene (pseudonym: A. B├ętolaud de La Drable) and illustrated by Gerlier. [Spanish, Edited in 1896 by Montaner i Simon]:

The images are strikingly similar, and reflect how such representations are either in the universal mind or come from a psychical source whose essence is unknown.

Precognition can be used to explain the coincidental imagery, or elements of the collective unconscious accounts for such similarities in UFO iconography.

Whatever is the derivative for such extraterrestrial depictions, in books, magazines, movies, television shows and other media constructs, the process has not attracted serious research by ufologists (ahem) or persons involved in anthropological or psychological disciplines.

The underlying hypothesis that UFO sightings are primarily psychical in nature skirts the issue of the mental component in UFO events by making the subliminal assumption that psychic phenomena, like the existence of God, lies outside scientific evaluation.

Persons in the Vallee camp throw up their hands and decare, without declaring it, that Fortean phenomena is beyond the ken of human minds, or science, and can only be categorized, not explained or ultimately understood.

While that may be the case, it's a cynical view, one that we eschew.

Everything is grist for human scrutiny, everything...



  • Not for publication..The surgery went well..still recuperating..full of drugs..but..Rich knowing your quest for measurable clues..you really have to read Space Time Transients..by Persinger..it is the best book I have ever read on the subject. I am not one for superlatives.
    Best Wishes

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Saturday, November 19, 2011  

  • Bruce...

    Glad you're back and replete, as usual, with suggestions.

    I suppose you will now be as erudite as ever and just as intellectually ornery.

    I have the Persinger book in my cart at Amazon, and will get it with my next delivery.

    Luv ya,


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, November 19, 2011  

  • I also have "Weather Systems and Human Behavior" by same on the way..should prove to be interesting..was tough to locate.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Saturday, November 19, 2011  

  • Bruce:

    I hope you saw our posting here a few months back dealing with weather and human behavior.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, November 19, 2011  

  • I did

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Saturday, November 19, 2011  

  • The thing about vallee is that he suggested a unique concept of the 'entities' changing to how the observer would view them.(passport to magnolia)The idea of a history full of similar images or representations is not that far off. mythology, folklore is full of elves and there is that hanger of ghosts that seems to be repeated in all technologies. though like Houdini inadvertently demonstrated, it comes down to a willingness to believe.there is one thing for sure in all media and lore involving this, as far back as even pre-human (sapiens). we know something is out there.
    what it is is a big question.though i would have to say that it remains sketchy. any alternate hypothesis that has a length framework places everything into question.for example:(i apologize if my comment is too long)
    the Capuchin monkeys have demonstrated a interesting thing. in one of the documentary i have watched one made the sound they understand means 'big cat' and the other monkeys nearby scrambled for cover. this enabled the monkey to eat a egg it had hidden from the alpha leader monkey and it ate it in peace. what is significant, is, the other monkeys didn't see the cat (there was none after all) , but they imagined it and ran according to the possibility that there was one there. such behavior is common in us. aside from lying. we think, like they do, with our minds , in a visual manner.heightened not by senses, but by intellect and complex visualizations of psychological reference. in this vein things like animism (dressing up like the animal you respect/fear or believing there are 'spirits' in inanimate matter) and believing you are with it's spirit seems not too far fetched, as far as like us believing that it is really happening. so, then, why not the ideal of Jungian and Freudian envisioned psychology. the parent figures are strong in us.the idea of a omniscient being that is not like us but just out there..becomes plausible, in psychological reference. so too would the images. i think anyways. great article, thanks for writing it.

    By Blogger wired, at Sunday, November 20, 2011  

  • Wired:

    The Hindu concept(s) that all things -- all of life -- is connected, supported by some quantum theorizing, fleshes out the psychological hypotheses of the collective mind, and universal symbols.

    Animals, sea life, and even micro-organisms show signs of entanglement as your monkey illustration examples.

    This may account for some UFO sightings, but not all, of course.

    As our friend Dominck insists, there are some tangible, space-craft-like enounters which can't be, superficially, attributed to the inter-connected phychic theses.

    We are dealing with phenomena that is only connected by human categorizing: UFOs.

    If someone would delineate UFO phyla, species, and genera, we might be able to get a handle on some UFO sightings, new and old.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, November 20, 2011  

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