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Sunday, December 04, 2011
If the theory of distortion was the result of a purely mental causes or caused by a physical effect (Persinger’s theory) without the participation of an external agent, the patterns of the apparitions would not contain common elements. Unless they are the result of structural proximity in the physical brain. That seems excluded as a possibility...
By Parakletos, at Monday, December 05, 2011
Hi ParakletosIn the same report, I affirm that Persinger's theory can be used as responses for sporadic cases and is very valid. But for all the UFO manifestations, remains very limited.It is very strange that the variety of encounters do not multiply to infinity in all aspects, whether the cause was just mental.SaludosJose
By jacarav@ca, at Monday, December 05, 2011
I think the term distortion is a difficult one albeit our language whatever it happens to be is a barrier to clarity. Using distortion as a term, I think all encounters of various stripes include distortion as well as entrainment, bias projection, superimposition and so forth.However I think it varies by intensity of the effect by proximity. Included with this again using the term distortion I would say distortion of physical laws are evident that also include the aforementioned neurological effects, which often time have physical symptoms that arise later from the observer. I would include ground trace evidence as well as space time anomalies. I think to say it is one or the other when it is both by the intensity of various effects is accurate. The distortion of physical material laws are concurrent. I hope your blog ties these effects with both the mind and the physical effects. The high radiation levels of energy present do not rule out a unknown form of plasma. I think it is possible but too early to conclude this is a sentient intention in of itself.We tend to look at "UFO" phenomenon as a stand alone clustering where the dats seems to show other Fortean anomalies in the same parabola,the curves.. which makes me think it is more likely to be a unknown natural phenomenon that is yet to be discovered.
By Bruce Duensing, at Monday, December 05, 2011
Ive watched slot of documentsries with jose in them. Thanks for the info it was very interesting. i have a ufo blog aswell, check it out.
By James Glen Clark, at Monday, December 05, 2011
Hi Bruce...The biggest argument against the theory of mind, is in the regularization of the phenomenon. If it were a effect purely mental, now, with all the information, the UFO investigators, would be saturated; of landings incidents , abductions, contacts. However this does not happen. After years of frantic activity UFO, the cases have disappeared, and most importantly NOT been replaced by any other phenomenon of anomalous perception. The existence of incidents where physical evidence is reason to believe that there is a factor external to the mind of the witness.I used the term supported Distortion presents similarities with the oneiric world. There not is another kind of perception (quantum physics). The distortion can be understood as a new form of cognitive interpretation, not based on writing or verbal language.Basically it would be a distortion of the information stored in the mind of the witness, presented within the context of UFO experience. The map of Betty Hill is a good example of distortion.SaludosJose
JamesThanks for your comment, I'll take a look at your blog ...SaludosJose
Hi JoseI think respectfully you are saying the the province of the mind and that of the physical environment are not intrinsic to one another, embedded in one another, therefore, it appears you are suggesting that if they were, it would be a continual entanglement of hallucinations. I beg to differ inasmuch this phenomenon of transient energy reversals appear to require more then simply mind or matter, Descartes has been largely refuted, as immaterial energy informs the material and vice versa. What changes their laws or allows them to reverse hierarchies as causal forces to me suggests an unknown form of transient force, that is natural. Do you tend to think this distortion is intentional by psuedo humanoids or by the mutation of existing relationships on a transient basis by unknown energetic phenomenon?
Bruce...Our hypothesis is not so different... I almost never refer to "other minds" as humanoids. Maybe they are some kind of "intelligent energy", which interacts with the human mind. You are convinced that there is nothing outside to humans. I respect your opinion. Personally I think that how you act and proceed, the phenomenon we face eludes any scientific research. You have thought of the thousands of close encounters that have taken place in the world, none has been sporadic or spontaneous in the consultation of a physician or hospital, or in the stadium of the Lakers.If it was a result of "something" mental, the very massification of UFO experiences, would have produced errors of all kinds.As there are thousands of potential patients to investigate.Remember, now, no anomalous phenomenon of perception has replaced UFO encounters, as you explain this?SaludosJose...pd: sorry my english
JoseI think Sasquatch encounters have largely replaced UFO encounters, as well as other anomalous lifeforms.
Bruce...This example is not appropriate. In the United States, for years, have Sasquatch visions. And if so, as you say, people would have close encounters with the Bruce..Sasquatch in the kitchen of her home making biscuits or toast. Because the phenomenon had developed as happened with flying saucers, the simplicity to complexity. Neither Spain, France or Italy for example, despite its abundant UFO casuistry have seen the birth of any kind of phenomenon of anomalous perception.Saludos
By jacarav@ca, at Tuesday, December 06, 2011
If it was a result of "something" mental, the very massification of UFO experiences, would have produced errors of all kinds.Unless it is due to a structural development of the brain -- which varies according to either genetics, or extremely early learning.
By Parakletos, at Tuesday, December 06, 2011
Not to dispute your opinion, but I was trying to convey where interest was drawn, which there appears to be more interest in these crypto-creatures versus humanoids, hence I am reminded of Lyle Watson's theory wherein the more attention is paid to anomalous creatures, the more details are revealed as evidence. He used the Link photos to illustrate this. Again there are sonar versus, radar tracings, audio recordings, intriguing and also falsified videos..sound familiar? Yet there is no evidence that anything exists on a material basis..just as "angel hair", ground trace evidence, radar recordings etc existed..just as hair samples, nests ( remember UFO nests?) apply..I really think there is more than enough evidence to suggest strongly that our focus is too narrow. BTW, a anomalous encounter with a Bruce would scare the daylights out of anyone.LOL
By Bruce Duensing, at Tuesday, December 06, 2011
Jose,What is your opinion of Ted Phillip's most recent work that appears to be a variant of what was reported at Skinwalker Ranch, which seems to indicate poltergeist activity, full bodied apparitions, strange ghost lights and odd animals have been reported. This seems to expand your theory as I suggested beyond your tighter categorization.Colm K who was at Skinwalker and I have exchanged e-mails and I trust his account, despite the many attempts to read more into these events as staged, or whatever.
Hi Bruce and Parakletos...I still insist that our ideas are in close proximity. My greatest question, and answering also Parakletos, is that the anomalous phenomena of perception, do not continue under any logical parameters off extention. They reproduce by time selective and affects only isolated individuals. If it not had "something external" to the human mind, which activate these mental processes, the current spread would be overwhelming. However, in the information age, UFOs vanish. I am convinced that the poltergeist activity phenomena are related, somehow, with the evidence presented by UFOs. We must unite the Flying Saucers with cryptozoological animals, Marian apparitions, ghosts, etc ... In my article devoted to the incident of Mrs. Lotti, I think it shows how different they two minds, can distort the same phenomenon. The same objects do not produce different visual stimuli, is the distortion that found in the germ of the apparitions, which causes the differences.Distortion should not be interpreted (only) as a phenomenon caused by perception, is a means of communication, expression of an unknown reality. SALUDOSJosePD: sorry my english, my friends
JoseYou may or not not be interested in "The Abiogensis of The Paranormal"http://materialintangible.blogspot.com/2011/12/part-two-abiogensis-of-paranormal.htmlBest WishesBruce
Jose,You are presumably aware of the auditory hallucination produced by applying electrodes to a patient's exposed skull. That sound memory was located in a fixed position in the brain -- identified by where the probe touched. Since those locations have a physical location in the brain, they must also have a relative location to each other. The closer memory A is to memory B, the increased probability of memory A interfering with memory B -- in a sort of cross-contaminatory kind of way.
Parakletos...It is clear that the world of hallucinations is a fascinating subject, and has a broad sense within the world of the paranormal and UFOs, than we assume. However, in the same way, it is infeasible to assume that psychic events such as root only, are causing the bulk of UFO problematic.I insist on my argument, if close encounters with aliens, they were just caused by different kinds of hallucinations, its increase in these last years it would have been spectacular. Your opinion is worthy to consider, but not as a global response. Although I promptly let that total knowledge of how our brain will open the doors of thousands of enigmas ...Saludos JosePD: Thanks for the link, Bruce...
Jose,Are you familiar with Old Hag Syndrome? Do you think the hag has a real external existence? How do you account for this phenomenon if you agree that it's not due to real physical hags running around the world?
By Parakletos, at Wednesday, December 07, 2011
Parakletos...In my writings on the Theory of Distortion, I speak precisely of the similarity of this phenomenon with the oneiric world, and not only for the imaginary component of dreams. Sleep paralysis, as well as alterations over time (dream passes at high speed in relation to what surrounds us) is closely related to the phenomena we study (They are also very interesting, hallucinations hypnagogic and hypnopompic). Do not forget that in the Theory of Distortion, the human mind has a privileged place as a cause of much of the phenomenon. Even many brands and wounds that have the witnesses after a close encounter, may be linked to the world of religious stigmata caused by psychosomatic processes. I believe in the external agent, as I have said many times, because the spread of this type of experience does not obey natural laws or development of "mental infection". And above all, because the UFO phenomenon is elusive and consciously avoided their study.Not to mention their undeniable physical reality, seems far from any known mental processes.SALUDOSJose
By jacarav@ca, at Thursday, December 08, 2011
"...a neurologically based condition in which stimulation of one sensory or cognitive pathway leads to automatic, involuntary experiences in a second sensory or cognitive pathway.""Synæsthesia has so far been linked to a region on chromosome 2 that is associated with autism and epilepsy."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia
By Parakletos, at Tuesday, December 20, 2011
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