UFO Conjecture(s)

Friday, December 09, 2011

Is Technology the Indicator of an Advanced Civilization?


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Revisiting Robert Temple’s The Sirius Mystery (about the African Dogon tribe’s alleged contact with extraterrestrials 5000 years ago), some questions came to mind.


Why would extraterrestrial visitors visit a small, primitive tribe in the isolated, at the time (and even now), heart of Africa.


Yes, the Sumerians and other cultures on the rim of the Mediterranean Sea are said by some, including Carl Sagan and I.S. Shklovskii in 1966’s Intelligent Life in the Universe, to have been contacted by extraterrestrials, that left intimations of writing, agriculture, math, and other accoutrements of civilized living.


Oannes, the being from the sea who supposedly proffered these gifts is not unlike the Dogon visitors who told those peoples about their place of origin, a planet in the Sirius star system.

Click HERE for an online precis of the Dogon story.

But extraterrestrials would have to be significantly advanced to get here from the Sirius planetary environment, and one would think that such emissaries would seek out cultures and peoples who were much more advanced than the Dogon tribe, to whom they would communicate the locale of their home planet(s).


The chatter between the Dogons and the Sirians would have had to be something beyond difficult.

Even today, the Dogons do not represent an advanced element of Earth’s global society.


Either the Sirius visitors were inept at furthering the cultural evolution of the Dogons or the Sirius visitors represent a civilization that doesn’t regard technolocial advance as a sine qua non of their existence; technology is a prosaic tool, and other considerations make up the essence of their existence.

Or the visit never occurred at all.

For the sake of rumination, I’d like to address the second option above; that is, civilizations do not need technology to be advanced.

Perhaps it’s the music, the art, or social intercourse that is the high point of “advanced” civilizations, not the attributes of the ships that transport them hither and yon.

This would explain, perhaps, why UFOs have appeared in various guises, some not so futuristic as we imagine: the airships of the 1890s for example.


This would also explain, perhaps, why flying saucers have had a propensity to crash; they are not technologically refined, nor meant to be.

They are constructed to get here from there, much as Columbus or Amerigo Vespucci did with their rudimentary, by modern standards, ships.


If visitors sought out this planet, for whatever reason, they would impart elements of culture – music, art, writing, mathematics, and the like – rather than methods with a technological bent.

Technology wasn’t and isn’t their primary incentive or objective.

The artifacts touted by Ancient Alien theorists are esthetic not technological: the pyramids of Egypt and Middle/South America, Stonehenge, the Easter Island moai, et cetera.




What the Dogon were and are mimics the alien races and beings - the alien cultures –that seem to have visited the Earth in the past and today.

UFO researchers, governments, military constructs have missed the point.

UFOs visit to impart refinement, high culture.

And that refinement or culture is so foreign to our understanding, we humans can’t grasp it, although one might find hints of it in such workings as that of the Dogons, or the Egyptians, or the Inca, the Olmecs, the Mayans.


The message of UFOs isn’t about nuts and bolts or plasmatic ships.

It’s about existence as a thing rarefied, transcendental, or, shall we say, spiritual?



  • What is advanced technology? These visitors would have to possess some form of it to get here, assuming they have indeed got here in the past (or even the present).

    Even if they had no 'high technology' in our sense they would still need SOME method of interstellar travel. What about the ability to dematerialise, 'travel' through space/time, then materialise again when they arrive?

    Is that advanced technology? Or is it something else, like psychic ability, or something we can never understand?

    By Blogger cda, at Saturday, December 10, 2011  

  • Christopher...

    I'm surprised; you miss my point entirely -- entirely.

    Sure, technology is involved but it isn't the essential thing; it isn't the sine qua non!

    Maybe I've lost my touch -- to be clear.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, December 10, 2011  

  • Yes maybe you have, but then I am not as sharp as I once was. Maybe I am on the point of dematerialisation.

    By Blogger cda, at Saturday, December 10, 2011  

  • Christopher:

    It's the vicissitudes of age I think.

    (I put the material together while suffering a pinched nerve in my back that is causing excruciating pain, so my thought processes, not good ordinarily, are even more debilitated of late.)


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, December 10, 2011  

  • You ask the tough questions and so the answers are difficult, ones that are as incomplete as the enigma itself, but that is the point of it if it has a purpose. Questions such as yours lead to other questions if we follow the proposition of a hierarchy that places creative arts above industrial arts although both are arts. If we divide them, industrial art is the known or what is demonstrable as a pragmatism, whereas a symphony is also, but it is not pragmatic in the same sense. What would be of more interest to them, our comparatively crude technology in comparison to theirs? Or the creative impetus itself as an expression of what we truly are?
    Can we look at a car, and tell what a human being truly is?
    Of course not.
    Nearly fifty years ago, I had a life altering event occur that I still wrestle with inasmuch as I am self skeptical of my own perceptions. At the gist of this experience, was that the universe and the highest philosophy behind it was Art, that in other places conflicts are resolved by Art, which is a difficult concept to wrap one's head around but as I grow older, this sounds more credible. Further, another person I recently read about had the identical experience, which at some point I hope to write about if I find the motivation.
    So, I think technology based on how you framed the question, would be of little or no interest to them. The artists would be of more interest than the product of art is another way of putting it. Wouldn't it be wonderful to see a non human work of art? Maybe it's all around us. LOL.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Saturday, December 10, 2011  

  • Bruce:

    The art may be manifested like that of the Krel in the movie, Forbidden Planet; unrecognizable except by research that attacks all the attendant clues.

    I've written before how scary it was that UFO encounters didn't indicate anything resembling art or aesthetic values.

    But now I think such exhibitions of alien "art" would not be fathomed by us, off the cuff.

    I'm sure this has been addressed by minds better than mine.

    And I'll have to go in search of material about it.

    I hope you address the issue too.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, December 10, 2011  

  • Or maybe the human race was sooooo far behind that from the visitors' point of view all humans were equally backward (i.e., the degrees of backwardness were simply too small for them to distinguish).

    By Blogger purrlgurrl, at Monday, December 12, 2011  

  • Rich,
    Your logic here is outstanding! Incidentally, you couldn't be any clearer with respect to your point.

    I believe that ultimately the most valuable resource that the Earth has are it's inhabitants. Isn't this the truth with respect for any of our own Earth bound conversational efforts? The specific environments are critical it's true, but nothing compares to the actual invested interest in the species itself.

    I believe that if your were to absolutely, and as stringently as would be possible, examine and identify our most valuable core attribute that a human possesses, one would have an understanding that boiled down to one word. That word: Creativity.

    I feel the creative nature of mankind is our ultimate marker of that which defines the far reaches of our most potential capabilities as a species.

    I have to believe that this specific quality is that which the hypothetical aliens deem most worthwhile, and in fact, telling, concerning us.

    Imagine if you will, total fantasy here but absolutely relative I assure you, a species of, let's say a hypothetical ET species, having been witness to MANY such evolutionary beginnings and the subsequent societal developments that typically ensue throughout the cosmos with respect for developing up and coming members of the big neighborhood.

    Would you not seek out to understand in a projected sense, in what might literally be the cradle of that species origin, exactly what constructs and social developments (the more primitive, the better) this creature has adopted as it's own for the purposes of such a projected study?

    The only thing I really want to know is, what channel do they broadcast their National Geographic programs on? Talk about fascinating! This week beings, we're in the southwest corner of the universe speaking directly with chief bula bula of the such and such tribe, here in...

    Seriously though, this is why I keep hammering away at the evolving nature of our own brain's amazing sentient quality. Sentience is where it's at with respect for true potential. We're getting there, only question is, where is there?

    Couldn't agree more with your positioning here Rich. God is it ever spot on IMO, and whereas my own reasoning here is based on projected personification of the hypothetical aliens, it is such a fascinating consideration that I forgive myself.

    By Blogger Jeff Davis, at Wednesday, December 14, 2011  

  • Jeff...

    You are too kind.

    But you and I agree that "art" is what sets us (humans) apart from the rest of creation: Beethoven, Michelangelo, DaVinci, Shakespeare, et al.

    It's a quality that even God is jealous of...


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, December 14, 2011  

  • I'm not so sure that the beauty of one culture can be appreciated by another. The songs of Zulu tribesmen, for example, may sound wonderful and beautiful to other Zulu -- and yet be quite harsh on the ears of anyone else.

    Why would we expect anything different from aliens visiting us from other worlds or realms?

    By Blogger Parakletos, at Wednesday, December 14, 2011  

  • @Parakletos

    I agree with your reasoning 100%. The thing that has to remain exceptionally clear in one's mind when embarking on these hypothetical mental exercises, is that we have NO reference point from which to draw basic conclusions about our two party speculation here. If we did, we would understand alien physiology, sociology, psychology, etc.

    The truth is, we don't even know if there is an ET.

    But lets continue on a hypothetical leg for just a moment and assume that our alien is standing directly in front of us.

    Does our alien hear to begin with? Does this alien have a natural audio spectrum from which their natural hearing can facilitate the process that distinguishes personal preference resulting in just such a possible "harsh" reaction.

    No friend, all we have here is relevant speculation based upon a vast amount of hypothetically relevant collected data. We cannot even state that the data we have collected is conclusively relevant because all we are doing with that data is speculative reasoning based. When I launch such a consideration it's in hopes of developing a furthered hypothetical positioning for my/our considerations as a perspective whole.

    This is what I mean: Starting out, we have the notion presented to us that an ET race of beings possibly visited a remote tribe in Africa and subsequently imparted cosmos specific information to them. Information that they could not possibly have known without the aid of technology that these indigenous peoples still do not have thousands of years after the hypothetical event took place. As we continue sauntering hypothetically along at a pace sure to sicken the ardently empirical, it's evident via many other such hypothetical contact, or experience oriented cases, that aliens do not tend to interface with us or our environment quite the way we are used to. For instance, with respect for the vast majority of cases, telepathy is the normal means that conversation or conveyed information takes place between the experiencer and the hypothetical ET. end pt. 1

    By Blogger Jeff Davis, at Friday, December 16, 2011  

  • begin pt. 2

    What does this tell us? Well, for one as we ponder the issue, who taught these ETs the native tongue from which to convey this telepathic information to these primitive peoples? Whether your imparting info telepathically, or audibly, the experiencer has to comprehend the information to begin with, correct? WRONG. Not hypothetically speaking according to the study of phenomenology. Such studies suggest that our entire memory based catalog is, for lack of a better word, downloaded, interpreted, and then used to convey ET imparted dialogue relevant to the experiencer by means of what could be referred to (in a VERY SCI-FI sense) as a universal indigenous translator of sorts. What some refer to as "Distortion", or the "Oz Effect" I feel is due to this process as the experiencer has their sentient capacity and it's subsequent facilitation overloaded because of a lack of synchronized rationale on the part of the experiencer. High Strangeness is that which is being referred to here.

    Could this be because the indigenous source of the hypothetical ET's downloaded catalog is memory, and not "real time" based? It is my opinion, and as time marches forward I will do my level best to bolster the notion, that our rationale, the facility that the other half of our creative mind represents, is not stored along with it's real time decoded, memory based sentient information. This means (IMO) that when such a download takes place, there is no real time rationale to be garnered from us via the download of memory accessed information. That's because with the human creative mind, all such memories that are retrieved via download, in what could only be likened to the accessible mechanics of regressive hypnosis, are randomly subjected to the witnesses combination of sentient memory based indigenous information, and a lack of the absolutely essential reality navigation that our real time rationale represents. IMO, this is specifically why dreams are routinely fantastic in nature because the information being accessed via the dream state is not a real time event that our rationale can guide, but rather a recalled, and therefore naturally confabulated memory of sentient non synchronized information. This representing the same basic type of information that our former hypothetical ET downloaded information consisted of.

    This in and of itself could possibly identify a universally unique quality of human kind as observed by beings going and coming, not from our natural environment, but rather to and from the reality that we ourselves are entrained within. Our own makeup being a natural configuration wherein our bi-hemispheric brains are a basic leash of sorts. It could be at such a juncture that we find the true impetus and plausibility for singularity and subsequent non time based reality access.

    So in this sense, all relevant speculation based upon the hypothetical collected data of an observed phenomenological nature, must be considered as a possibly legitimate piece of the quandaries over all puzzling nature. It's a bitch when the subject matter of your greatest interest has to be continually tempered with a white hot understanding that presently, the subject matter contains very little absolute verifiable truth, and yet, the truth is the ONLY thing that matters.

    By Blogger Jeff Davis, at Friday, December 16, 2011  

  • Interesting article. Consider also, that advanced civilizations may likely express their technology artistically. They would have a very nice balance between form and function. Perhaps, for example, Stonehenge, when properly aligned and energized, may perform as a stargate. It is pleasing to the eye in its form, but also highly functional technologically. We just haven't figured out how to align and energize it yet!

    When considering traits of an "advanced" civilization (like the Dogons) you don't mention spiritual development. Some very technologically advanced societies are rather backward spiritually and vice versa.

    Lastly, supposing the visitors from back then were actually connecting with various human "tribes" and offering tools for advancement, they may well visit the most "backward" ones around the world. With some, the knowledge and technology will evaporate quite quickly in time, and with others, it will germinate and lead to advancement. This seems to be the case as there seems to be a sudden infusion of knowledge and technology around the globe around the post diluvial timeframe.

    By Blogger Rossome, at Friday, December 16, 2011  

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