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Monday, December 26, 2011

Roswell's Secrets

One of the sticking points for Roswell skeptics is the idea that "witnesses" and participants would not be or would not have been able to keep the secret of what happened near Roswell in 1947 for as long as they had or have.

But here is a cautionary news item that indicates secrets are sometimes kept for decades, sometimes forever:

Click HERE for a Cold War Secret

And note this aside in the middle of the news account:

So too is the human tale of the 45-year-old secret that many took to their graves.



  • Rich-

    Great find! I hope that people read this and reflect on how secrets of national security can be kept for decades on end. Even wives were not told. And this was simply a satellite program! Imagine how tight the lid is on such a thing as Roswell!


    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Monday, December 26, 2011  

  • Of course, Roswell hasn't stayed secret. It's the most famous UFO case ever.

    I think the Operation Tiger catastrophe is a better comparison to Roswell than Hexagon in that Hexagon was a well planned project whereas as Tiger and Roswell, if ET, happened suddenly and unexpectedly requiring a lot of people to keep quiet where there wasn't a lot of time to investigate the backgrounds of those involved.

    By Blogger Frank Stalter, at Monday, December 26, 2011  

  • Frank:

    My point was only that secrets are kept for a long time or forever.

    I wasn't trying to find a comparative for Roswell.

    (Am I losing my ability to communicate clearly?)


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, December 26, 2011  

  • I don't know, I didn't title the article. ;O)

    Hope you're having a great Christmas Richie and keep 'em coming in the new year!

    By Blogger Frank Stalter, at Monday, December 26, 2011  

  • We all have secrets that will likely be kept until we enter the grave. As far as shared secrets, our culture is interwoven with them. It's called plausible denial that allows a great deal is swept under the rug. Secrets are what Ouspensky called the long shadow of a life, that we are secretive in of ourselves to others, only hinted at due to our nature. In short, I agree but then Roswell was a secretive ploy that falls into the context of inflatable tanks, Star Wars used against the Soviet, CIA using UFO's to mask X craft, etc. It was successful beyond any one's expectations due to those who reinforced the ploy from the civilian side. The biggest secret of Roswell was that it happened in a manner that has nothing to due with spaceships breaking down due to mechanical failures. That secret was as worth preserving as an act of patriotism just as hiding the alleged bodies of little spacemen would be. No doubt there is a secret or secrets to be found all around us held into the grave, perhaps even beyond the grave in cultural scripts as myths.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Monday, December 26, 2011  

  • Okay, fellows...

    You're making too much of this.

    My point, again, was that persons involved with secret projects will, indeed, hold them inside, for a long time or forever.

    Such persons have a misplaced loyalty to country, job, or an errant ethic.

    Anthony Bragalia keeps coming across Roswell witnesses and/or malleable metal workers (scientists even) who think they are beholden to some kind of governmental fealty, rather than the truth.

    Diclosure is set aside to keep retirement funds intact or because these people signed a loyalty oath and they think that overrides a disclosure of truth, even on their deathbeds.

    Warped morality/ethics have always been the bane of humanity, most of humanity, which is exampled in such affairs as the 50s communist party affiliations or the devotion to Hitler or, earlier, to Roman emperors.

    Roswell skeptics find it hard to believe that military men and even civilians warned by them would hang onto their secrets even unto death.

    I'm showing that such harboring of secrets is commonplace and part and parcel of the Roswell incident, no matter what that incident actually entailed.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, December 26, 2011  

  • "I'm showing that such harboring of secrets is commonplace and part and parcel of the Roswell incident, no matter what that incident actually entailed."

    You are absolutely right about that!

    By Blogger Frank Stalter, at Monday, December 26, 2011  

  • I hope you are not trying to compare this kind of secret with the discovery of an extraterrestrial craft and its occupants (i.e of ET life elsewhere).

    You could say much the same about the Manhattan Project. So what? SOME secrets can be kept. Big deal.
    These are secrets that our military can control (usually). They can't control the ETs!

    But since I am positive that you do NOT really believe that a 'ET life elsewhere' secret could or would be kept by a select few in the military of one country for 6 deacdes (which is what Roswell is all about), I will simply wish you a Happy New Year, and some happy new ufological discoveries in 2012.

    Anthony Bragalia: dream on, and to you also: a Happy New Year!

    By Blogger cda, at Tuesday, December 27, 2011  

  • Christopher:

    I hope 2012 goes well with you also.

    I'm merely noting that people will keep their mouths shut for the stupidest of reasons, with the sobriquet "secret" offering an excuse to hold information close to the chest, even upon one's death bed.

    As for Roswell, it's a quagmire of baloney, witness wannabes, faulty memories, and an event that is either an ET incident or something that allows for such a bizarre interpretation.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, December 27, 2011  

  • There are two issues potentially relative to Roswell that may also account for some of the secrecy, and how and why people are motivated to keep secrets.

    1. In terms of the ET theory, a number of witnesses have suggested that threats of death etc were made by the military to silence witnesses (and families of), and to silence fellow military personnel.

    So, perhaps, at least part of the reason for a lack of willingness to talk was less prompted by the nature of the incident itself, but far more prompted by a fear of what was done in the name of national security to hide what happened Roswell.

    In other words (granted this is strictly hypothetical), some military personnel might be unwilling to talk about Roswell because doing so might reveal the severe steps may have been taken to silence people.

    So, maybe that's a possibility - not a fear of talking about the event per se and what it involved, but a fear that doing so might put the government's actions, right after the event, in a very bad light.

    In that sense, loyalty and patriotism to not wanting to make the military "look bad" after being confronted by an out-of-the-blue ET event might be a factor on the part of some dedicated, career-oriented old-timers.

    2. On a related matter, but from a very different perspective of what happened at Roswell, the people I interviewed for my Body Snatchers book said something very similar - namely, that many military people stayed silent simply because spilling the beans on a secret, but very dark, and deeply disturbing, "human experiment" would make the government look like the bad guys - which it certainly would have.

    So, we may have a scenario where loyalty to the military, and not wishing to tarmish its image by revealing data on controversial experiments on people, was said to have been a key factor in certain players stay silent.

    The threats, the fear of being jailed, silenced etc aside, very few people actually give much thought to the idea that the reluctance to talk (by career military guys) may have been prompted to a significant degree by simply not wanting to place the military in a bad light.

    Patriotism to the military may have been a bigger sway and incentive than threats when it came to staying silent.

    I can't, of course, prove what I'm going to say now, but I kind of got a feeling from deely studying the words of Sheridan Cavitt that his silence, deception, and obfuscation was prompted less by the event, but far more by a deep desire not to make things look bad for the government, and "smooth things over."

    Of course, Rich's post was just meant to show that secrets can be kept.

    But, I present the above to show that the reasons behind the secrecy and reluctance to speak out might be far removed from the "talk and you'll have a fatal accident" scenarios that populate conspiracy fields.

    Patriotism might be as big (maybe bigger) a motivation than threats, or national security issues.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Tuesday, December 27, 2011  

  • Nick.
    One thing that I suspect is the central thread of secrecy in this event which I concur with you on without any of the reservations as to the motive opportunity and means, is patriotism associated with loyalty, which is also a well known trait of the Mafioso. One could consider Jimmy Hoffa's disappearance a "Roswell type" of dynamic.
    Loyalty tied with dire consequences associated with keeping secrets. I suspect that no amount of declassification will ever be undertaken in our lifetimes for another reason.
    The ploy of misdirected attention is still in play and the the scripting of the Roswell event was enormously successful, and so the impetus not to reveal it's straw dog nature is both a pragmatic one and deeply associated with national security, with loyalty in the form of patriotism, secrecy and planting intentional lies. The whole CIA mindset revolves around doing bad to do good, based on these three principles, to put it in perhaps simplistic terms.
    So was the truth buried, or a lie? In the end then may be a matter of parsing.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Tuesday, December 27, 2011  

  • Bruce:

    I agree. I think one of the things many Roswell researchers assume is that the witnesses (I'm talking military witnesses here) held the secret for fear of what would happen to them if they spoke out.

    But, an equually viable reason why for years there was total silence was indeed because of a desire on the part of military personnel "in the know" to not hurt or tarnish the government's image, rather than the fear of official backlash.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Tuesday, December 27, 2011  

  • The KH-9 Hexagon was declassified in Sept. 2011, but it hasn't been secret all that time.

    People who follow these things have known about it for many years.

    There has been a KH-9 Hexagon Wikipedia page since 6 May 2007.

    By Blogger C4ISR, at Thursday, December 29, 2011  

  • C41SR:

    We don't give a good goddam about Hexagon.

    My point was and is that some people keep secrets for the lamest of reasons.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, December 29, 2011  

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