UFO Conjecture(s)

Friday, December 23, 2011

Thought made Solid?


Psychologist Robert Crookall, in his paper Practice Astral Projection, presents some "cases" that seem, to me, to be relevant to our discussion here of UFO encounters: Distortion or Mental Aberrations.

Also, this case impacts the Alien Abduction phenomenon, as I read it:

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Dr. Crookall provides an encapsulation of "Thought Forms" with this:

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There is some pooh-poohing over at UFO Updates about thought creating tangibility.

And I am disinclined to believe that one's thoughts can create matter, but Lucretius, Einstein, Jung, and some Quantumists would allow the possibility it seems, as clinical psychologist Terry L. Pulver notes in his 2004 paper From Inflation to the Ordinary [Journal of Jungian Theory and Practice]:

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Lucretius

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Jung

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Wolfgang Pauli

Dr. Pulver graphs the "procedure" by which this happens:

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There is much more to consider, and I'll be posting that material upcoming.

My point is to accomodate Jose Antonio Caravaca who is developing his theory of "Distortion" and Bruce Duensing who seems to accept the ideas of Dr. Michael Persinger who feels that the human mind can be and is affected by physical attributes such as electro- magnetic waves, which produce imagery and experiences of the kind that show up in the UFO encounters that Senor Caravaca and I have listed here.

Such esoteric topics as Astral Projection, Cosmic Consciousness, Out of Body experiences and a few others seem germane to the conversation, even though I am hard-pressed to accept them as part and parcel of UFOs and UFO encounters.

But an open-mind is a must when it comes to UFOs, is it not?

RR

11 Comments:

  • Thought creates tangibility as it is a biological virtual simulation whose range is finite, whereas it was Einstein (so commented so long ago it is laughable)that solid objects are a persistent illusion.
    There is no plausible refutation of this.
    Secondly, the entangled state of relationship between particles and waves, the tangible and intangible is the bedrock of physics, unless they care to attempt to refute that. They might be eligible for the Nobel Prize.
    Science has lately confirmed some of Larmarks theories wherein cultural communications in relation to behaviorism which over time changes the genetic profile that lead to observable somatic effects, so..the immaterial does not effect the physical. That is only non scientific, it is ignorance personified to say otherwise.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Friday, December 23, 2011  

  • A PostScript Via Alan Moore
    "I would prefer a two-state solution. My basic premise is that human beings are amphibious, in the etymological sense of 'two lives'. We have one life in the solid material world that is most perfectly measured by science. Science is the most exquisite tool that we've developed for measuring that hard, physical, material world. Then there is the world of ideas which is inside our head. I would say that both of these worlds are equally real - they're just real in different ways. The concept of a world of ideas, yes it's intangible, it can't be repeated in a laboratory, but pretty much the evidence for it is all around us. In that, every detail of our clothing, our mindsets, of the buildings and the streets and cities that surround us - that started life as an idea in someone's head."
    A very clear premise that I concur with which leads to a as yet unidentified third state that we can describe but have no equally clear answers for.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Friday, December 23, 2011  

  • What is the impetus of matter, but for it's perceptual consistency within the waking human conscious mind?

    The mind IMO is not the matter projector in question, but rather the receiver as it's leashed via it's "tuner".

    What we project is our own spacetime relevance, from which our waking physical state is typically bound within.

    Matter is a manifestation of our spacetime based perception. It's our mind's way of containing us apart from an utter non synchronized existence.

    We are energy that has form. All matter consists of energy in form who's propensities of substance are relevant only as long as our minds are bridled within the bi-hemispherically configured projection and reception of our spacetime relevant environment.


    If a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it...

    By Blogger Jeff Davis, at Friday, December 23, 2011  

  • I just read this and found it totally synchronus with respect for our discussion.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=3526756&page=1

    By Blogger Jeff Davis, at Friday, December 23, 2011  

  • Remote viewing is a subject I've had a good bit of interest in and would say I'm far more certain there's something to that than UFOs. Still, even the fellows who were top notch at it and paid by the government for their efforts would say that the accuracy is very inconsistent. Everybody's favorite Dr. Greer is a proponent of proactively seeking ET contact via RV and while I'm more than a little skeptical of the certainty of his claims regarding success with it, I like the idea.

    By Blogger Frank Stalter, at Friday, December 23, 2011  

  • Thanks, Jeff...

    I hope visitors here will use your link.

    It is very interesting and pertinent.

    Have Happy Holidays, buddy...

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, December 23, 2011  

  • Rich,
    Thanks so much Sir. To the entire UFOI class, to which we are all learned, yet perpetually attending members, the safest and happiest holidays possible. Excelsior!

    By Blogger Jeff Davis, at Friday, December 23, 2011  

  • An interesting piece, as usual, although I'm not quite sure I understand the appeal to Lucretius as an authority. Lucretius believed that vision was facilitated by the fact that material objects send off tiny atomic copies or pictures of themselves into the air, which, received through the eyes, produce vision and certain knowledge of material objects. Believing thus that everything seen had a material, atomic basis, Lucretius proposed an eccentric and rather quaint theory of hallucination - that hallucinations were in fact examples of true atomic images that had become temporarily jumbled up in the air, producing, for example, compound images such as the saytr with the body of a horse and torso of a man. I don't think there's any implication in Lucretius that thoughts create matter - rather, Lucretius was unable to conceive of thoughts or images without an atomic, material basis, and hence his theory of hallucination as the temporary collision of atomic images.

    By Blogger Tristan Eldritch, at Sunday, December 25, 2011  

  • Tristan:

    We're trying to tie in Jose Caravaca's theory of distortion with other thinking that allows UFO events to be dreams-like experiences, thus Lucretius.

    And when I write "solid" I don't mean that to be literal, as solid for me is blended by what Jung and the quantumnists propose, as indicated in the excerpts presented.

    I thought that was clear, but apparently it isn't, to some...

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, December 25, 2011  

  • A simple way to examine the context of these events is that the foundations of our biological perception of "reality" is a adaptation within a simulation that exists in of itself. We do not see directly, nor sense directly. Our language, even our behavior is largely biological and is an implantation rather than representative of the true nature of our environment. beyond these foundational limits of awareness, or distortions, a great deal exists. I suspect there is a rare circumstance where these systems can be exposed to effects that are beyond their capacitance, and so the simulating nature of the mind is overwhelmed and falls back on associations. I just wrote a piece on Betty Hill who is at the forefront in the modern epoch of close encounters with "aliens" although because they are largely associative in nature as a simulation due to the individuated collection of such in each individual..and are nonsensical as representing any consistent alien sentience, Ocam's Razor may apply but then, that does not make them any the less mysterious, it's only the matter of what triggers these states, and I have yet to find any evidence that extraterrestrials are involved with the exception of their association with the atmosphere, which the mind in turn correlates with associations in imagery that is simulated in an "alien experience". A "dream scenario" I think the bone is buried much deeper than in a extraterrestrial scrim that in of itself is a plastic and fluid chimera of "the mind at the end of it's tether" to quote HG Welles.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Monday, December 26, 2011  

  • Part 2
    Dreams are thought forms and what is the common demonstrator between perceived encounters with extraterrestrials and the neurological basis of dreams can be characterized by "look but don't touch" Do the thought forms that have a neurological basis a distortion more accurately termed a simulation have a external causation?
    Yes and no..that is not entirely completely a external stimulation but rather one that is recombinant of associations as forms based on what is outside of the physical body seen as "reality" which in turn are neurological manifestations of a finite perception. That is about as far as a bridge that there is. That is not to say that dream states at times has some rare and strange aspects to them. But the extraterrestrial control of dreams is simply a pathological case of mistaking a medium for a message.
    I think this is very difficult for some to let go of, simply because it is indicative of wanting to be in play with forces outside of ourselves that are in essence blown up representations of ourselves a future superior race.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Monday, December 26, 2011  

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