UFO Conjecture(s)

Tuesday, December 20, 2011

UFOs: Distortion or Mental Aberrations

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Spanish UFO researcher Jose Antonio Caravaca proposes the hypothesis (which he is trying to develop into a theory) that UFO encounters are a mixture of a staged event by “others” and mental remnants of those having the encounter.

You can read his ideas at his blog by clicking HERE.

Mysteries of Mind, Space & Time: The Unexplained [Volume 1, H. S. Stuttman, Inc., Wetport Connecticut, 1991, Pages 56 and 57] present three incidents that fit Señor Caravaca’s suggestion:

Five creatures with webbed-feet alit from a UFO and examined chickens on a Puerto Rican farm on March 30, 1980:


Two teenagers, awakened by a dog espied the creatures from their bedroom window, and two men sleeping in a car nearby spotted the same creatures, at the same time.

The sleeping men saw a domed UFO; the teenagers didn’t see a UFO.

A house painter in Trowbridge, England, on January 5th, 1980, awoke a 5 a.m. and saw a yellowish-green figure, like a projected image, at the foot of his bed:


The figure said he came from a planet that, because of over crowding, eliminated portions of its population.

Further, he was visiting Earth to seal a crack in our planet, with cement, to keep it from splitting apart.

In October 1974, a couple, with their three sleeping children, were driving to their home at Aveley in Essex (England) when they saw that they were being paced by a blue light.

The light disappeared but they drove into a “well-defined bank of eerie green mist” which caused their radio to spark and crackle.

When they got home, they turned on their television set to see a program they had been rushing to see.

But the TV station was off the air and it was two hours later than they thought it should be.

Bothered by dreams related to the experience, they were placed under hypnosis and recalled being taken aboard a craft…


...where they were shown about the “ship” and underwent medical examinations by creatures described thusly:


None of the persons noted above tried to capitalize on their experiences, so we are left with a few possibilities:

Firstly; they each encountered extraterrestrials or alien visitors from outer space or inter-dimensions.

Secondly; they encountered a concomitant race of beings who reside alongside Earthlings – the Mac Tonnies’ crypto-terrestrial hypothesis.

Thirdly; all of them had a mental aberration that is yet to be defined exactly but falls into the category of hallucinatory hysteria.

Or, they were subject by “entities” yet unknown (or explained) who subjected them to a staged event (for reasons equally unknown), using their own mental remnants to create a scenario that’s weird but not so far from reality that the incidents can be dismissed out of hand: the Caravaca “Distortion” hypothesis.

Whatever occurred, the persons relating the encounters are not insane, in the usual sense, nor are they hoaxers (seemingly). They are normal individuals who’ve had a bizarre experience that is with parameters others find hard to accept or understand.

But note the “sleep factors” and the house painting connection in one of the events above.

What interests me -- there are several things that interest me -– but what stands out is that such occurrences don’t seem to be happening nowadays or are not being reported.

Your thoughts, as usual, are welcome…



  • In my former profession as a process engineer, I would suggest taking a step back. In either case, you are referring to both a station and a state of process in epistemology.. Unless we know more about the state that is the essence of the phenomenon, everything is simply bias projection. The central issue is the categorization of relationships. Specifically, how we have processed the categorization of processes that are embedded in one another. One one hand we can point to neurobiology and on the other,psychology, cybernetics, etc.
    The issue is they all work together and one impacts the other, just as the organs of the body work together yet are distinguishable as individual organs. Unless we know more about the state itself that creates perceptual anomalies, I am hesitant to label them distortions as distortions of what specifically in specific terms? Is our view predisposed to distort parallel realities? The answer is yes. I can cite everyday examples too many to list here.
    The clues that the physical, energetic environment plays a trigger role is an important clue if you weigh this against statistical probabilities in terms of the rarity of these events, versus a coherent definition of a "they"..it is a premature conclusion. However, if I understand Jose and his methodology, which is to plant a marker as a postulate and see where it goes, if anywhere as a triangulation of disparate events. If he is absolutely convinced of a "they" then we have an issue that is psychological. There is an unbridgeable gulf between the two at this point.
    Take a prosaic example of a temporal state and station like influenza. This is a case of multiple causation's in terms of system analysis. There is no single bullet. This is my point, such that it is. Our methodologies and categorizations in both language ( terminology) and recognizing the traps we set ourselves must become more sophisticated. This is why the entire subject has become stilted. So, the locus of my comment is to focus on the state rather than the causes.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, December 21, 2011  

  • Bruce:

    You are making some bizarre but simple, in essence, experiences a bit more complex than needed, in my opinion.

    People have what seem to be essentially similar encounters with unique accoutrements that are pertinent to them, individually, but do not detract from the over all category of "encounters."

    The mechanisms of the encounters seem mentally induced, as I see it.

    Senor Caravaca thinks that the mentally induced images and activities are co-created, by the encountered and those "observed."

    I'd like to think that the persons having these experiences are influenced by a mental aberration or neurological malfunction.

    But I can accept, at this point, Jose Caravaca's possibility.

    Mucking around with all the psychological quirks the human mind is afflicted by takes us far from the sine qua non of the experiences, the core manifestation.

    The details of the tales leave the door open to Caravaca's hypothesis.

    But at the heart of the experiences is where the explanation lies.

    One has to clear away the detritus that the persons add to the tale or the experience.

    It's like a dcotors search for the cause of an illness; a person has symptoms which can be treated but the illness is what needs to be addressed.

    At the core of the encounters noted here and at Caravaca's blog lie the "illness."

    One has to set aside the symptoms, the glowing entity in one of the accounts above or the search for chickens in another, and look for the common thread, which I see as the sleep element.

    In that lies the explanation, I believe.

    Caravaca notes the dream aspect in his litany of encounters.

    And dreams remain, despite Freud's work or Jung's and others, a mysterious attribute of human existence.

    Are dreams made solid for a moment with the persons noted in my posts of his?

    Let's try to keep the examination as succinct and simple as possible.

    Bringing in a lot of neurological hooey is not helpful.

    Maybe later on, but not now.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, December 21, 2011  

  • You attempt to simplify complexities is laudable from a certain perspective. However, the biological sensitivity of observer, the environment of the observer, the weighted experiential context of the observer do play a role. What degree of role we do not know.What you characterize as the core experience is an effect of effects not a cause in of itself. This is simply basic logic. If you expand your core thesis of the role of dream states, it is a fact we are in a dream state while awake. Going further our dream states are influenced by somatic, psychological, environmental, emotional states. This is the result of research, not the opinion, as you would say, of "UFO Mavens".
    We are a entangled neurological nexus of various biological simulations we experience as reality, despite your denial of it for the sake of a naive reality characterized by a desire for coherency that denies the incommensurable intrinsic nature of the processes. I suggest that dreams my friend are neurological in nature not hooey, not space ghosts.
    Internal and external roles in this third state are exchanged as I have suggested, and their rarity and transient nature in impacting the space time manifold is the essence of the core experience, which again leads to the pre-synaptic processes where these
    states co-mingle.
    I leave you to your either \ or mindset. Good luck.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, December 21, 2011  

  • Bruce:

    I do not disagree with you vehemently.

    But I look at the Distortion tales of Senor Caravaca and UFO encounters like I look at the so-called Big Bang Theory; that is, the cause of it is simple, despite all the conglomeration that physicists bring to the argument.

    The Big Bang is a singularity, just as are the encounters under discussion here.

    While the encounters may be impacted by all the elements you wish to thrust upon them, rightfully if you are treating them symptomatically, at their core is a singularity.

    I'm striving to understand that singularity.

    But you'd wish to entangle me in your convoluted yet intriguing multiplicities.

    I do not wish to go there at the moment.

    I wish to eat the roast beef and attack the salad and other items on the menu after I'm surfeited by the beef.

    (Some of the guys here like to sample, as do you, everything simultaneously, losing the essence, the taste of that delicious beef. Not me.)


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, December 21, 2011  

  • The singularity you refer to is synchronicistic, as while I had left for my own pastures thinking that was that as far as commenting further here in my own mind,at that time, I began to write on my own blog which I then published only to return out of idle curiosity to find you referring to the singularity which was the same singularity as a subject I had just written. Hmm.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, December 21, 2011  

  • We, Bruce, are two peas in a pod.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, December 21, 2011  

  • The beef you want to eat before the salad is metaphysical and your beef with my view is with interconnectedness of all relations. The singularity as we call it. The creatures your interest holds live in the atmosphere of dreams in a literal sense, as their atmosphere, their ground, their sustenance if you will, that these are creatures that bridge the material and non material, that, in theological terms have been called Angels, that have been prettified as a pastoral portrait and yet they are intermediaries who have no face, no personality, or will as we describe these attributes through ourselves. They are in "service" as much as we are, only in a differing intermediary role than our selves in the storage transmission and transformational forms of energy between a universe that exists in reconciliation of either side of the mirror bisected by the material and non material aspects of a uni-verse. End transmission.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, December 21, 2011  

  • Even though I spent time in Seminary, taught by Jesuits, you, Bruce, have a spiritual bent that I no longer have.

    For me, God and his angels are impotent and without any value or use to any of us, as the Hebrew nation found out with the Holocaust.

    That such partless, spaceless entities, as the Jebbies taught me, exist may be true, but for all practical purposes they are without help or value to us.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, December 21, 2011  

  • Angels, that have been prettified as a pastoral portrait and yet they are intermediaries who have no face, no personality, or will as we describe these attributes through ourselves.

    What is the personality of a completely virtuous person?

    Since we cannot have such perfection, we admit of less-than virtuous behavior.

    The perfection is the untouchable 'one'. Even the angels seem to be at least one layer away from that central 'one' figure in the paintings I have seen.

    So, I would presume them to also have personalities. If they were perfect, they'd be the 'one'. But they're imperfect, or perhaps a better way of putting it is 'imbalanced'.

    That imbalance is what later theologians used in order to categorize them. Some angels might lack restraint. Some might lack courage. Some might lack prudence. Etc.

    By Blogger Parakletos, at Wednesday, December 21, 2011  

  • "What interests me -- there are several things that interest me -– but what stands out is that such occurrences don’t seem to be happening nowadays or are not being reported."

    At a guess, I would say that these kinds of encounters still occur to people, but there is no longer any kind of cultural framework by which people can feel even remotely comfortable discussing them. From the Atomic/UFO era of the forties and fifties, through the psychedelic era of the sixties, and the mass Fortean boom of the seventies, such a cultural framework existed, even though these topics were still marginalized and ridiculed to a large degree. In the aftermath of the Fortean boom of the seventies, a kind of counter-revolution of deeply entrenched materialist skepticism took root, encapsulating CSICOP, Randi, the New Atheists, Myth Busters, ect. The Strieber phenomenon of the late 80s, and the popularity of the X-Files in the nineties, seem to me to be the last gasp of popular public engagement with Fortean/paranormal subjects. So, when people who may have experienced something can no longer think to themselves, well, this kind of kind was reported a lot in the media recently, or something like this was the subject of a best-selling book recently, they are less inclined than ever before to actually report this kind of stuff.

    By Blogger Tristan Eldritch, at Wednesday, December 21, 2011  

  • Parakletos

    I had such a waking dream that entailed a dialog with what I term the "franchise holders" that I characterized as a Moth, which was a Demiurge, a Master Game adherent that has always tried to keep us second guessing ourselves in order to save us from ourselves. An odd philosophy, and one I personally abhor. I published it then withdrew it and then took a deep breath and republished it. I would prefer to live in denial in terms of aberrations out to derail us. You hit the nail on the head. We are so afflicted with conditioning that even the absolute antithesis of it is tainted with the original toxins. This paints our alternatives, which were implanted in us ..all of these games are infused with plausible denial "look but don't touch" is their philosophic credo of manipulation.
    They seek adherents propagandists..the Demiurge dont have to pull any strings directly, we do it obligingly. The tyranny of the heavens is their beneficent dictatorship of hat tricks.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, December 21, 2011  

  • 'What interests me -- there are several things that interest me -– but what stands out is that such occurrences don’t seem to be happening nowadays or are not being reported.'

    This is the kind of leverage that makes the accounts intriguing. I know a lot of 'ufologists' choose to write them off as hoaxes and psychiatric aberrations - that's their prerogative.

    I've spent some time reading psychological literature on hallucinations, hysteria, schizotypy and so forth. Very enjoyable. I couldn't find any symptoms or clusters of traits that coincide with, and explain, the fruitiness of the humanoid encounters. It'd be great to just rationalise them all and toss them aside, but the explanations don't satisfy me.

    As you pointed out, we've got these rare claims (unique to *almost* every percipient)being spread out across a period of some 40 years (late '40s-'70s)that coincide with the UFO flaps but aren't conclusively connected to them.

    It could be a reporting bias; people not really reporting them or lacking forums to report them to. The ones that turn up fresh on blogs tend also to be from the 70s and earlier.

    As a human psychiatric aberration, they seem to have lost their stimuli (or incentive for the PSH)!

    The reason I dropped by was to wish you and the RRRGroup a good Christmas and New Year. I've enjoyed the blogs and posts a great deal this year and appreciate how welcoming you've all been. It's given me some fresh ideas too and that's never a bad thing.

    By Blogger Kandinsky, at Thursday, December 22, 2011  

  • Thanks, Kandinsky...

    And we wish you a Happy Holiday season also.

    During 2012, may we all continue to look for a UFO explanation that isn't bereft of reason.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, December 22, 2011  

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