UFO Conjecture(s)

Friday, December 30, 2011

UFOs have never impacted humanity or civilization

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While some visitors here and even ourselves appear to be absorbed by Roswell and/or other UFO incidents (Socorro for one), and while our friend Chris Aubeck (Wonders in the Sky with Jacques Vallee) scours antiquity’s dcouments, via his Yahoo Magoniax Forum (where people submit ancient UFO accounts), we, all of us, have to realize and accept the “fact” -- and it is a fact –- that UFOs, for all our attention, have not affected humanity’s evolution, humanity’s civilizations, or any significant human enterprise.

Looking through the books below, we found not one item or footnote that referred to UFOs or anything that could be construed as a UFO; on the contrary, lots of things that prior civilizations embraced and noted (with art, writing, and action) were so removed from the UFO phenomenon that one is stunned by the attention Ancient Astronaut theorists get with their seemingly abundant litany of extraterrestrial artifacts and influences. Such artifacts and influences just do not exist, on a scale that betokens (meaningful?) alien visitations in the past.

The books listed here are only a few of the many that we (the RRRGroup and The Einstein Fellowship in Ann Arbor) perused for UFO or UFO-like references:

The Hittites by O. R. Gurney [Originally a Penguin Book, 1952, reissued by The London Folio Society, 2000]

Ancient Europe: A Survey by Stuart Piggott [Aldine Publishing Company, Chicago, 1965/1970]

The Mochica: A Culture of Peru by Elizabeth P. Benson [Praeger Publishers, NY, 1972]

Our Oriental Heritage (Part One of The Story of Civilization) by Will Durant [Simon and Schuster, NY, 1954]

We have culled from those books, the images created by the cultures examined, and present some here, noting the obsession that humanity, the peoples covered by the tomes, had with hunting, war, dress, sex, and death. (None had an obsession with visitors from the sky, except as anthropomorphic renditions of their gods, who also seemed consumed by war, dress and, especially sexuality.)

The Hittites:




Gurney [ibid]

The Mochica (an accent on sexuality and death):






Benson [ibid]

Ancient Europe:





Piggott [ibid]

Our Oriental Heritage:



Durant [ibid]

My point is that human culture (art, writing, warfare et cetera) has been noted by the ancients right up to today, with no ubiquitous insertion of UFOs or things that look like UFOs.

UFOs play no part in the modality of human evolution, mental or physical.

UFOs are a minor, peripheral phenomenal insertion in the movement from primitivism to human intellectual advancement.

That is why historians, archeologists, anthropologists, evolutionists, and science, generally, eschew UFOs; the phenomenon is essentially meaningless, like comets or meteors passing through the skies, or the aurora borealis, which is fascinating, but ephemeral in the great scheme of things.



  • A related subject is the lunacy of antediluvian extraterrestrials that are created by bias projection and the cultural arrogance arising from our gimmicks and technological prowess wherein extraordinary visionary experiences or extraordinary accomplishments are either taken literally, or given over to non existent extraterrestrials, a mindset akin to those who take the whole of any theological text literally, inasmuch as they cannot tell a metaphor from a baseball, and most who assume this are illiterate in historical contexts.
    It's simply another layer of cloud cover that obscures the actual mysteries surrounding these very rare modern day largely visionary experiences..

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Friday, December 30, 2011  

  • I should have added a qualifier. The possibility of contact with physical equivalences of ourselves which are superior in possible ways, from the Gods to SETI has enormously influenced cultures and societal projections from Mayan sacrifices to Roswell.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Friday, December 30, 2011  

  • I have to disagree with your qualifier, Bruce.

    The possibility of contact with beings superior to humans, whether Gods or ETs, has not impacted human existence at any practical level.

    It has produced religions, surely, which have impacted human life, but when it comes to the bottom line of existence, even religions don't alter human behavior or life in the way that sex, for example has and does, or even something as mundane as growing food.

    UFOs don't even compare to growing food, or the sex drive.

    Yes, your qualified categories have influenced life, but enormously?

    That arguable

    And I'd like to stay on topic if possible: the post is about UFOs not religions or the projectional desires to have contact with gods or superior beings.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, December 30, 2011  

  • Man's obsession with things in the sky only increased markedly when we were approaching our own space age, coincidentally this came after a particularly severe war.

    There were earlier sky sightings of course, such as airships in the 1896/97 period, and before. The obsession then was due to the approaching age of air travel.

    Long long ago there were the 'vimanas', ancient chariots and so on (not von Daniken's chariots) familiar to those who study the history of eastern cultures.

    Western culture has avoided strange sky machines until comparatively 'modern' times, i.e. until about 150 years ago.

    Someone will soon correct me if I am wrong.

    By Blogger cda, at Friday, December 30, 2011  

  • "even religions don't alter human behavior or life in the way that sex, for example has and does, or even something as mundane as growing food." Not to go further off your editorial policy, I have to disagree with that. Perhaps what you prefer is yes, I agree to the gist of your observation.It makes for a short comment..LOL.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Friday, December 30, 2011  

  • Bruce and CDA:

    The subject matter is complex and not easy to clarify in a comment section like this, but let me try to make cogent my view(s).

    The social structures that have arisen for humanity have always been covers for deeper drives.

    Religions were promulgated to give power to a few -- the priests over the common folk.

    Religion, per se, had and has little to do with morality or a desire to appease the gods.

    As an entrenched Freudian -- yah, I know, so passe -- the sex drive is the strongest of forces that motivate humanity.

    Then comes the desire for power, with sex as a sub-set.

    Power may even be a sublimation of the sex drive, despite Adler's attempt to make it an instinctive drive separate from libido.

    For me, religion, politics. music, art, and all the rest are sublimations of the sex drive.

    The causa prima of life is the sex drive, and in the books perused, among others, the artifacts seem to bear (or bare?) that out.

    As for seeing things in the sky, of course, one might be stunned by such a magnificent appearance, but don't you think, CDA, that the person who spots an airship, or UFO, goes back to his or her supper, and maybe, as one of the RRRGroup guys says (vulgarly), to f*cking their eyeballs out?

    Humans were hunters, then gatherers of food, farmers.

    Survival bests everything, including religious beliefs.

    (Unfortunately the UFO fanatics we're finding in places on the internet, like Kevin Randle's blog, are exceptions to normalcy; such folks are aberrant, and the basic human motivations may not apply, although I imagine even they would put eating and sex at the top of their everyday struggles and would abandon UFOs if such basic endeavors were under attack.)

    So what I'm stressing, again, is that UFOs are a curiosity, even in the modern age, and have no or minuscule impact on where we're going as a species, or individually.

    And it has always been thus...


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, December 30, 2011  

  • But couldn't you find many images depicting fantastic creatures, "gods", and other odditites? Things misconstrued perhaps? This doesn't give them validity, but it strengthens the simple fact that we simply don't know what happened in these people's lives. We only have educated guesses and a limited vision of their existence. I recall a humorous cartoon book my father had from the 70s about unearthing a midcentury motel by archaeologists in the future and how a toilet seat was deemed to be a ceremonial neckpiece. I'm just saying that we can't dismiss that they didn't interpret ETs as "gods". While there is little to no supporting evidence to say Danniken and his like are correct, absence of "UFOs Wuz Here" scrawled upon an ancient tomb doesn't invalidate it either. It's about perception. Maybe UFOs had no significant impact, but even in modern times they have had some. The premise has shaped our worldview and inspired art, science, and even politics.

    By Blogger Cullan Hudson, at Saturday, December 31, 2011  

  • Cullan:

    Happy New Year to you, buddy.

    Now I have to disagree with you somewhat.

    In scouring scores of artifacts and photos or reproductions of things portrayed by ancients, there is a definite [sic] dearth of images that could be seen as UFO or extraterrestrial in nature.

    The obsession is with those things I've cited: sex, hunting, apparel, animals, and war.

    The impact you see in art and culture in the modern era pales in comparison to everything else that has been in the forefront of culture and civilization or societies, as a whole.

    UFOs are and have been peripheral, meaningless in practical terms and generally meaningless to the human Zeitgeist.

    It's survival and sex, not UFOs; now or ever.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, December 31, 2011  

  • OK. Devil’s advocate here rising to the bait.

    On the other hand, many major religious, cultural, poltical, and social leaders who influenced the development of civilization (for good or ill) could have been covertly influenced by an ET presence in their lives or have been alien-human hybrids themselves. Why does a full-scale “mothership” have to have routinely landed on the village green and be witnessed by hundreds then later described in artistic forms or oral and written traditions for there to have been an ET influence?

    Around this time of year I always muse on how much the story of the Nativity and even Christ himself could fit into an alien influence paradigm. An angel (ET?) presence tells Mary she will give birth. Her child will be the son of God (alien-human hybrid?). He grows up to perform miracles (advanced alien technology indistinguishable from magic?). He is a major influence on the course civilization from the moment of his death on the cross (anybody want to argue with that?). He rises from the dead (again, advanced technology?) and then ascends into heaven (more alien technology?). Later, his human mother ascends to heaven (ditto on the technology?)

    Many major religions have been founded by leaders inspired by a mystical experience with an otherworldly presence (ET?). If you doubt the influence of religion in the course of human history, just contemplate the number of wars that have been fought because of competing spiritual beliefs.

    If you’re looking for some ancient inscribed stone slab saying, “Yes, they were here and they looked like this”, maybe your vision is a skosh too literal?

    Have a great 2012, and we'll all raise our cups together to ring in 2013.

    By Blogger purrlgurrl, at Saturday, December 31, 2011  

  • PG:

    Where we differ, if we do, is that I don't think that religion is or has been an intrinsic influence on human behavior at the basic level.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, December 31, 2011  

  • I think that on the balance of probability, UFOs have had little or no influence on our progress through the ages.

    I’m not a fan of the ancient aliens and lost civilisations ideas that are so pervasive these days. Just looking at what they present as evidence of alien intervention highlights how weak the argument is and casts even more doubt on alien interactions. We can read direct translations of Egyptian and Sumerian texts from reputable academic sources and find no mention of aliens. Oral histories also fail to mention aliens.

    Unfortunately, in my opinion, ufology has been throwing its net too wide for decades. Not content with 20th Century saucer sightings; cave paintings, rock art, medieval iconography and the karals of South Africa have been dredged as examples of bloody aliens. Anything whatsoever that flew in the ancient texts has been conscripted to the cause of ufology; any elliptical shape on a cave wall must be a saucer. Even great monumental accomplishments and leaps in technology are thus subverted and all credit gifted at the feet of these wonderful aliens. In fact, even the forces of nature have been co-opted by some to the point whereby simple evolutionary processes are at the behest of aliens. Nope! There’s no way we could have evolved like all the other animals – we needed to be created by the aliens. Sigh...

    Even the moon has been denied creation by whatever forces created all the other bodies in the Solar System. Instead, it’s been built by aliens, towed by aliens or is owned by aliens.

    Still, it’s reasonable to be cautious and leave a little wriggle-room. Let’s say any of the ETH speculations are close to accurate? In that scenario, there’s no way of knowing to what extent influence might have been brought to bear (as suggested by PG). If the ETH suddenly became conclusive it’d be open-season on the possible extent of forces not directly controlled by *us.*.

    I do agree that there is nothing much in our history that can’t be more prosaically explained by the drives of human ambition and natural motivation.

    By Blogger Kandinsky, at Sunday, January 01, 2012  

  • Kandinsky...

    You make much sense as usual.

    I hope you have a great 2012 and remain a regular contributor here.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, January 01, 2012  

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