UFO Conjectures

Thursday, December 01, 2011

UFOs: The numbers obviate reality

This paper by Francis Ridge, listing a century of UFO sightings in parts of Indiana and Midwest America, prodded me to consider this...

The sheer number of reported UFO sightings, just in the modern era, is so vast that they rule out, sensibly, the idea that the Earth is being visited by extraterrestrial civilizations, or visitors from time and/or other dimensions.

Those following the subject of UFOs are inundated with a raft of new sightings everyday. And adding the new sightings to those reported since 1947, in publications like that pictured above, not to mention the historical sightings found in such works as the Vallee/Aubeck book, Wonders in the Sky, one can only conclude that the numbers mitigate against the propositions of alien visitation, unless....

Earth is a "tourist" attraction for curious from the far-reaches of the galaxy or Universe, or even from other dimensions.

That scenario is ludicrous on the face of it. But what else do we have?

There seems to be a tangibility to many (earlier) UFO sightings.

So there is some kind of reality at work here.

Then we have the Vallee/Caravaca/Persinger theses that posit mental intrusions of some kind that have evoked images of flying saucers and UFOs over the years.

But the interceptions of sensory input with material disruptions of various kinds (burns, indentations in soil, automobile failures, radar images, photographs, videos, et cetera) work against the idea that something or someone causes UFOs to
be products of the mind, only.

Just as the raft of sightings, over the years and currently, dissuade against a concrete reality, mental machinations by "others" is just as foolish.

What kind of entities would have the time or inclination to spend such time and efforts as that required to befuddle human minds?

It makes no Earthian or interplanetary/interdimensional sense.

UFOs, which are real, in some way or other, need an explanation that takes into account the obvious ubiquity of the phenomenon.

The ET hypothesis doesn't explain UFOs, nor do the mental quirk theories.

Something else is needed, but what?



  • The inner world of the mind and the outer world of more material objects may have a third correlate, which is one that crosses the boundary of both on a transient basis. I can think of prosaic examples of this third state that we manipulate, by invention, tampering, innovation but it is possible that the pseudo membranes that are boundaries to us imagining a tree and it's there, or seeing thoughts..there are laws that might be violated under certain circumstances, which I suspect are environmental connected to the mind by statistical probability. It is "semi" physical and "semi" mental..not quite one or the other as a transient symbiosis. All of this may or may not be true, but to me, it fits the evidence, whether I like it or not. I think Presinger has something important to say about what this energetic carrier might be, but I think he misses the tie with physicality. Vallee sees everything as a physics of information, not surprising he is a software scientist. He has something to say, but you cannot dismiss trace evidence. I don't think we have the knowledge or language ( yet) to frame this phenomenon. Everything ( 99%) of what has been written is so off this more sober examination that science will never approach the topic directly.
    This third state sounds like lunacy just as all theories in their time in advance of supporting science sounded lunatic but I think this matrix is inescapable. It is a riddle that suggests a third state of matter and sort of a temporal dead end for us...perhaps.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Thursday, December 01, 2011  

  • Bruce:

    What I find interesting, and not necessarily related to UFOs, are the "visions" that some persons (mostly of the past) which seem to indicate a reality that is only glimpsed momentarily, fleetingly.

    Socrates,Jesus, and Mohammed had visions: Joan of Arc, St. Teresa, Thomas Aquinas, and Steve Jobs, on his death bed.

    Bucke also presents some esoteric accounts in his work, Cosmic Consciousness, as you well know.

    Plato referenced this "real reality."

    There seems to be a certain mind-set that allows the visions, once religiously tainted, but not anymore -- the Jobs "vision" for instance.

    But the visions, or imagery, has nothing to do with UFOs or little (or big) strange entities.

    The occasional intersect between our reality (the Platonic shadows) with the real reality is befogged when the great unwashed envision the real reality, and screws up the descriptions because they haven't the mental capacity to cope with what they envision.

    They are flummoxed by their inherent intellectual flaws.

    (Original sin?)

    The problem, as I see it, is that UFOs, Bigfoot (perhaps), and other paranormal sightings, by the rabble, are botched visions, making explanation and scrutiny difficult.

    One has to find adepts who've had visions, get there descriptions, and experiences and see what the common denominator(s) may be.

    Unfortunately, once a person of intellectual acuity has such an experience, they set aside any desire to define that experience, swallowed up by the transcendence they've felt.

    So, we're left with the prosaic and limited accounts of the intellectually primitive.

    And their accounts are almost worthless -- almost.

    That's why UFOs, and other visions that may give us a peek at the real reality remain mysterious and unexplained.

    Don't expect scientists to help; they don't have the right mind-set.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, December 01, 2011  

  • Yes, but how many of the reports are valid? Too many, upon careful reading, can be explained by misidentification of a natural or mundane phenomenon or as outright hoaxes.

    And for this commentor, no UFO photo or video to date appears to be above reproach.

    There's likely just too high a percentage of garbage in the data to draw any firm conclusion about the frequency of true UFO events, which are likely much, much rarer than this mass of reports would lead us to believe.

    One major problem is that Ufology's zealots (er, I mean some researchers) approach the data without a shred of objectivity, accepting it at face value and failing to apply any critical thinking to the reports. They treat them simply as confirmation of their own beliefs.

    Me, I think Blue Book was correct in concluding that a large percentage of reports are misidentifications of natural or ordinary events, but that there is a small percentage of events, which truly are unknowns.

    By Blogger purrlgurrl, at Friday, December 02, 2011  

  • I thought you might be interested in this article that throws another wild card into the mix ( as if we were not inundated by a surfeit)


    When the subject is not an object we can examine as a post editorial exercise, we are left in the post modern moment, the mind examining the mind, and if anything is fraught with a lack of consistency, this situation is the mother of all issues.

    The only thing that the "UFO" has provided me has nothing to do with the object of the subject, but rather the very strange dynamic where it is not six degrees of separation, perhaps two degrees..that this phenomenon calls into question, the nature of this, the nature of that..and the relationships between them.

    I would be tempted to say this is a intention to provoke a continual reexamination of ontology, etc but that seems quaintly provincial, as even if it were an intention, that opens yet another can of worms. Secondly, nothing has changed, but of course we could take the opposing tact, and ask, what would be changed and for what reason?

    This is where the chicken or the egg meets..the observer whether he is a liar or absolutely sincere..mixes his intent, his anticipation to this ambivalence.
    Vallee sees living software because he is a programmer. Presinger sees the human psychology of perception entangled with neurology as that is his field.
    The unwashed masses see social scripts, whether they are gnomes, robots or blond Nordics..

    There is a provoking agency, no doubt in all this,whether it is sentient or cellular as an organized force in nature, and so I think this now is the question after we have been led by the nose by it's illusions, or more likely our own, what is it that we wish for..upon this phenomenon?

    I think it's a mild obsession and compulsion for most that they do not ask themselves these fundamental questions. I suspect most fear this more than the phenomenon as if to do so, the whole shebang would go "poof"..whereas if I am to be honest, this seems to be such a strong "mirror" that belief as you suggest by your examples can on the other hand bring remarkable results whether it is Black Elk or the scientist ( In Vallees TED talk) who wants to converse with Elementals of the air.

    This something beyond or terms of true of false..it seems not to matter but belief in whatever we wish from it..appears.

    Perhaps it is a machinery not quite unlike the one in "The Lathe of Heaven"..much to my own disappointment, it seems to have no stance of it's own.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Friday, December 02, 2011  

  • PG:

    I agree with your assessment.

    Part of the reason that UFO sightings are so numerous is that people are reporting misidentified things.

    Not all UFOs (or flying saucers) are misidentifications, but many are, as the AF concluded and I've experienced myself.

    Once, among a group of people outside a school, we all saw a UFO heading our way.

    We were awed, all of us.

    But then the thing turned, and we saw it was a Goodyear blimp that, coming head on, looked as if it were a UFO.

    No one ran off to report it, but I can imagine someone getting excited enough to not wait around to eventually see the "object" in its real state or configuration.

    (The group consisted of regular, non-UFO interested folks.)


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, December 02, 2011  

  • Bruce:

    You do concede, however, as do I, that some UFO events/sightings are exactly what they appear to be: intrusions of a tangible kind that we have yet to understand or explain, right?

    No all UFOs are chimerical, or mind-projected, or "theater" as our friend Jose Caravaca believes, are they?


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, December 02, 2011  

  • Yes I do concede tangible intrusions as it would be dishonest to throw the baby out with the bath water as far as the evidence. That being said, my focus has largely been the possible explanations why this phenomenon so disrupts perception by superimposition, whereas someone else may have another tact.
    This is why this third state of matter as I arranged the nexus as a framework to fiddle with seems to fit all of the evidence..
    It appears to meld matter as well as the mind with a transient high energy field that utilizes space time for what Persinger calls the appearance of recurrent events rather than isolated cases that demonstrate a favoritism toward environmental predispositions favorable to them and also leaves physical traces. From Presinger, I saw his point, there are favorable terrestrial conditions, then there are not. A high technology could very well account for this, but again we are left with what science knows versus what they pretend to know, in terms of theories..and the noise of socially scripted babble. Also from Presinger, is the clues as to why this is atmospheric in nature which supports my intuition that space weather, and the energetic climate seem to create "favorable conditions" as well as "preferred"
    geographic distributions, which is a fascinating clue I cannot recall anyone else citing from the scientific community.
    This seems to indicate that whatever this phenomenon represents, it does not have complete navigational "autonomy"..which, if we look at our own forays into extra planetary voyages, neither would we..but, it is so easy to overlay logic on this, and I do not trust my own anthropomorphic streak..none the less, there is something compelling behind our illusions..

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Friday, December 02, 2011  

  • BD:

    The terrestrial/geographic slant intrigues.

    I wrote, once, because of an abduction scenario brought to my attention, about weeping willow trees often being nearby when a UFO event occurs.

    (There were weeping willow trees in the swamp of the Mannor farm when I visited it for The Detroit News. This is the 1966 "swamp gas" event that diminished Hynek.

    The Hillsdale co-eds, also in the 1966 sighting(s) saw their object in or near a swamp.)

    And trees play a part in other sightings, along with water: Desvergers (if that's not a hoax), Pascagoula, Walton (?), et cetera.

    I don't recall, offhand, anyone doing a study of environment in UFO sightings.

    Persinger may be on to something.

    The geography/locale information doesn't explain UFOs, but could be a clue towards an explanation.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, December 02, 2011  

  • I have many passions in life, but have always been intrigued with mystery. (surprise) One of my favorite quotes of all time comes from a fictional iconic character by the name of Sherlock. He stated:

    Whenever you eliminate all possibilities at your disposal, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, MUST be. (assuredly paraphrased)

    So, if UFOs aren't just merely tricksters, evil doing demons or a bunch of beach towel bearing tourists, are not ALL hallucinations, are not ALL weather or atmospheric phenomena, are not, are not, are not....but ARE REAL OBJECTS under intelligent/sentient control, what do we have left? Our perception of them, that's what. They seem like a million possibilities, and maybe they are. However, following the route of logic, and the discovery of most of that which has come before with respect for phenomenal investigation, one relative truth will hold all the water there is to hold. Further, if logic points us in the direction of a single definition for that which is RESPONSIBLE for the UFO phenomena (note plural) as being that which is composed of MANY diversities including the basic precepts of sighting, witness, and experience, it's progressively logical to look for the specific responsible agent and not the fruit basket like evidence that the phenomena purports.

    In short, WE (the human being) are what requires the greatest degree of investigation, as well as an absolute and total definition, prior to understanding that which by sheer definition is a blatant multiplication of the unfathomable.

    Actually, it *is* perfectly logical to consider the human mental processes as that which constitute the greatest mystery of all with the deepest of respect for said UFO phenomena. That DOES NOT mean that the phenomena is a product of the mind. It simply means that our perception is to blame for the lack of a clear understanding at this point. Frustrating, isn't it? I will continue my search, and research, with an undeniable emphasis on the internal, rather than the external.

    By Blogger Jeff Davis, at Friday, December 02, 2011  

  • One of the interesting patterns Presinger looked at and graphed was the distribution of sightings by U.S and non U.S frequency along with other anomalies and they fairly closely match as a parabola which indicates this is not as random as I thought, as far as the clustering effect. He took correlation coefficients to compare population density and the density of reports and they did not match as well as the odd periodicity that these clusters seem to occur at one month intervals What I took away from it, was a clear relationship what could be considered other Fortean categories or anomalies spike and appear to be entrained with the 'UFO" frequency of reports What he found is other things appear to be amiss as well, from unexplainable "natural events" to strange animal behaviors or missing pets...very odd. He appears to have confirmed Keel's window effect.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Saturday, December 03, 2011  

  • Rich-

    Read your post with great interest. But:

    Who are we to try to discern the intentions of those who are perhaps millions of years in advance of our civilization? That includes attempting to ascertain why they come here seemingly in numbers and with such frequency, or why there are years of “waves” etc. Like questions about God’s “reasoning” – we are simply not able to yet comprehend the meaning or intent of the Visitors, including why they come here so often.

    And consider the very likely possibility that we are being visited by many different species or races of beings who hail from many different places. Some may be coming here for the first time and it was a struggle to get here - those who are further along on the evolutionary scale than those visitors may come here in an instant and whenever they care to.

    And then there is this: What of the idea of “celestial tourism”? As Earthlings, we visit and tour various favorite countries sometimes over and over.

    I like the Caribbean and at one point living in New England, I repeatedly went there several times during the Winter, year after year.

    The Visitors may find our planet as beautiful as we do.

    Anthony Bragalia

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, December 04, 2011  

  • Anthony:

    Esthetics are in the mind of the beholder.

    I imagine there are other places in the Universe or Multiverse that rival Earth for beauty, and which are closer to "home" for alien cultures, if there are any. (I think there are.)

    That said, the numbers just don't compute.

    Too many sightings over the years and millennia.

    Unless alien civilizations are permanently on field trips, one and all.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, December 04, 2011  

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