UFO Conjecture(s)

Wednesday, January 25, 2012

Barry Goldwater on UFOs and Roswell?


CDA questioned the Barry Goldwater/Curtis LeMay imbroglio in the linked piece of the previous post here.

Anthony Bragalia found a rare interview about the incident, which you can access by clicking HERE.

Barry Goldwater was a true patriot and great American. (I worked in his 1964 campaign.)

When he said something, one could consider it the absolute truth.

RR

7 Comments:

  • So being an American patriot is now an automatic sign of absolute trustworthiness in all matters? Ignoring the absurdity of that statement, wouldn't a highly placed US politician with strong patriotic feelings be LESS trustworthy for the general public when concerning a matter of potentially the very highest implications for national security?
    If Goldwater were to be told by his superiors that feeding the public a certain story was essential for the security of the United States, wouldn't he be more likely to be swayed by those arguments? I am not particularly convinced by the "staunch patriot" angle when it comes to matters of high level politics and security, on the contrary. Call me a cynic...

    By Blogger Peter, at Wednesday, January 25, 2012  

  • Peter, you're a cynic!

    Barry Goldwater was one of the most honest men in American history and if push came to shove about things that the American public needed to know, he'd move mountains to get the information to them.

    Truth was more important to Senator Goldwater than security, if I understood the man.

    You are cynical because of the current American crop of politicians I think.

    Being cynical isn't a bad thing, but it shouldn't be applied carte blanche when it comes to everyone who's held office.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, January 25, 2012  

  • A few points:

    When was that interview conducted? I assume it was towards the end of his life, by which time Roswell was well and truly in the public eye. He says a saucer crashed. Presumably he meant Roswell.

    But his attempt to see the contents of the 'Blue Room' (as he called it) was decades earlier, c. 1961-62, i.e. long before anyone knew about Roswell. Notice that in the interview Goldwater makes it sound like he called LeMay to visit this room at about the time the Roswell story broke, whereas it was in fact 20 years earlier. Was Goldwater confusing his timescales in his interview?

    Goldwater's tale appears in "The Roswell Incident" with another version: we read that Goldwater actually visited LeMay at Wright-Patterson AFB and asked him where the supposed "artefacts, photographs and exhibits were kept".

    In summary:

    1. Goldwater's contact with LeMay had nothing to do with Roswell.
    2. Various versions of the story have done the rounds, either referring to this 'Blue Room' or 'Hangar 18'.

    Take your pick.

    The only thing we do know with certainty is that Sen. Goldwater was a firm UFO believer from the 1950s. And he and LeMay knew each other from years past.

    By Blogger cda, at Thursday, January 26, 2012  

  • Christopher:

    What you initially chided, in your comment for the previous post, was the idea that Senator Goldwater never -- never -- asked to get access to Wright Patterson's supposed UFO "room."

    The video here tells us otherwise.

    To change the focus of your own comment has got to be maddening to those trying to counter your inherent skepticism.

    Barry Goldwater was dismissed by Curtis LeMay, a friend, when he, Goldwater, asked to have access to UFO material(s).

    That's the point.

    One might infer from that incident that the AF/government had something to hide (regarding UFOs).

    Whether the incident was 20 years earlier or not is secondary to the main issue: Did the United States Air Force have something tangible, in storage, that was UFO-related?

    Playing around with the time of the taping or other peripheral detritus is offputting to those who want to get at the main point, not the knotty misadventures you like to concentrate on.

    But, hey, I'm a fan of yours and love you dearly -- yep! -- but even I don't like to get off on a side road that takes us nowhere.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, January 26, 2012  

  • I didn't realise I had any 'fans'!

    The only source of this story that I know of is the letter from Goldwater to Shlomo Arnon of March 28, 1975, where he states he tried to get access to certain UFO info some 10 to 12 years before, whatever it was. Somewhere I have got that letter.

    All subsequent stories about Goldwater have been based on that one occasion. Later it got embellished into crashed (Roswell) saucer exhibits, and so on.

    Presumably Tony is not telling us that Goldwater first heard of Roswell from Butch Blanchard. I would like Tony to confirm that he is indeed not.

    Am I going down the wrong track? Maybe, but we must get the Goldwater story right if we can. Did he ever write anything about UFOs, to anyone's knowledge?

    His politics don't concern me.

    By Blogger cda, at Thursday, January 26, 2012  

  • Christopher...

    I've made Mr. Bragalia aware of your comments, but getting him to respond is like pulling teeth.

    Nevertheless, the Goldwater thing says to me that there was an atmosphere in the Air Force here or the military and government generally to keep hidden anything to do with UFOs.

    Why was this so?

    For Cold War machinations as Nick Redfern has it?

    Because the military had proof of or materials from outer space visitors?

    Because the U.S. military was just paranoid and nuts?

    Because General Curtis LeMay wanted to show Senator Goldwater that he, LeMay, had more cachet and power than a U.S. Senator -- the Adler "will to power" thing?

    Senator Goldwater's interest in UFOs was, like yours and mine, a product of the times: flying saucers were an exotic phenomenon that Keyhoe was obsessed with, as were we all, those of us paying attention to things other than the soporific attitudes of most people in the 50s or the anti-war stance of our hippie friends in the 60s.

    Goldwater wanted to know. LeMay wasn't about to help him out.

    Why not? Again, that's the question.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, January 26, 2012  

  • Sorry for the delay in replying, been busy with work.

    I on second reading realize I might have come off as sounding too critical of Goldwaters (a man I never met) intentions or honor. That was not intentional, I assure you, nor do I doubt your personal assessment of the man.
    English is not my first language and sometimes these things are not immediately obvious to me.

    But yes, I am cynical in these matters. :)

    By Blogger Peter, at Saturday, January 28, 2012  

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