UFO Conjecture(s)

Wednesday, January 25, 2012

Distortion Theory: Jose Caravaca makes a valid point

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Jose Caravaca is developing an hypothesis to explain UFO encounters, and he’s tagged it The Distortion Theory.

I find his ideas intriguing, and accept his views – up to the point where he posits an external force or presence as an integral, instigating agent that creates, with the help of UFO witnesses, the various but somewhat similar scenarios that make up the events that we’re all familiar with (and many that we are not familiar with for which he has provided details here and at his blog).

UFO encounters, where entities are observed and often engaged in out-of-the-ordinary activities, are seen, by some, as visitations by extraterrestrial visitors, whose behavior is attributed to alien purposes that we humans just do not understand.

Or the encounters are part of a paranormal reality that has been concomitant with humans since time immemorial and whose behavior is obscure for reasons we just do not understand, and never have.

Some of us think that UFO encounters are neural hallucinations that are made somewhat tangible by actions of the witnesses while they are in a kind of fugue state, whose psychological and/or physiological etiologies are yet to be determined or found.

But Señor Caravaca challenges the neurological explanation by pointing out that the encounters he’s listed and those that are better known (the Hill abduction, for instance) all occur in a kind of dramatic scene that is similar in many ways, across he encounter board.

That is, if a neurological explanation or stimulus were the cause of UFO encounters as we know them, why are they always, or nearly always, along roadways and in rural or semi-rural venues?

Why no neurologically induced encounters at football games, or in restaurants, or the grocery store, or at a corporate picnic or gathering?

The settings for UFO encounters, by and large, are in venues that are sylvan-like, not urban.

The 1966 Ann Arbor/Dexter/Hillsdale sighting by Frank Mannor and that in Hillsdale, Michigan at the same time were in rural settings, swamp areas actually, without entities but with air-borne craft commonly know as a flying disk or flying saucer at that time.

The absence of entities is intriguing in that the setting or staged event was ripe for one of those encounters that Señor Caravaca derives his theory from.

So, flying saucer sightings, even those that contain hovering near-the-ground machines, like the Ann Arbor sighting or the Michalak encounter cited here earlier are removed or have to be from the Distortion theory.

Or do they? Not necessarily. Jose Caravaca’s hypothesis allows for limitations on what occurs during a UFO encounter.

The limitations stem from the inherent limitations that the witness imposes upon the encounter; e.g., a witness with limited exposure to science fiction imagery would have a much less vivid encounter than a witness who had much exposure to science fiction movies, books, magazines, or archetypal forms, such as the Michelin Man that Señor Caravaca so amply displayed in his most recent distortion presentation.

Thus, the Hillsdale College co-eds and farmer Frank Mannor (whom I met when I worked for The Detroit News) would not have as vivid an encounter as would someone who had proximity to things that are science fiction oriented.

But did anyone determine exactly what science fiction materials or materials of an other-worldly nature came into contact with those who have reported their alleged encounters?

The forensics are missing.

So we, and Jose Caravaca, are working with incomplete data and incomplete information.

But Señor Caravaca’s point that UFO encounters have not taken place, spontaneously, in public venues or urban venues, at least not in the numbers that encounters have occurred in rustic settings.

If psychological or neurological stimuli were the cause of UFO encounters, one would expect encounters to occur in places other than where they have generally occurred: pastoral settings mostly.

ET proponents might suggest that extraterrestrials pick arboreal places for their visitations to hide their agenda or presence, for reasons that only they, the alien visitors, know.

I’m troubled by such views, and even by Señor Caravaca’s “others” who, he says, conceive and direct the encounters and purposely select their marks who, as I see it, are often not in the highest I.Q. categories.

But his point that psychological or neurological causes are not selective, as far as we know, is well-taken.

Jacques Vallee’s views are stymied also by a lack of logic or coherency that is endemic to his Magonia selections.

The ETHers are similarly hobbled by the incongruity of their extraterrestrial visitors.

How could an alien culture, able to put together vehicles for interstellar travel, be so silly after they arrive here, engaging in behavior that borders on insanity or, at least, inanity?

Again, we are back to phenomena that are adjuncts to the categorical UFO phenomenon, and no closer to a sensible denouement.

But Jose Caravaca’s Distortion Theory is very interesting, One has to give him that….



  • The only point I disagree with Jose on is ET. Heres why:
    1. Where is his test of his own theory? The implication is there are only ones he picked to support and not balance his theory. In other words, where are the examples that these events do occur in non isolated locations?
    I can think of quite a few if we characterize them as they are, hallucinations.
    2. If these are the result of ET, how is this being done ( no external, technological neurological theory to ground it).
    3. If these are the result of ET, whats the point? Why bother to disguise themselves as what they are? Whats the difference? Why not be invisible, as we are approaching this ability using our own technology.
    There are more issues, but I do not want to belabor this.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, January 25, 2012  

  • Bruce:

    I'd be interested in some Distortion-like encounters in urban or non-isolated areas, if you have some.

    You say there are many. Give us a few.

    Senor Caravaca isn't proposing an ET explanation for his "others."

    He's made that very clear, even with his taxing English.

    I think we should not muddy the waters with the ET scenario, even though I've blotted the debate by inserting an ET reference point, mostly to assuage the sensibilities of the few ETHers who visit here.

    Caravaca's view, as he has developed it so far, is interesting and full of potential for those willing to take the time, as he has, to scour sightings for the similarities he finds.

    Unfortunately, we -- you, me, and everyone else -- are saddled by a lack of data or information that was overlooked or ignored by those who sought out the witnesses and their sightings -- a sloppy methodology that is endemic to UFO mavens and so-called researchers.

    One only has to read Kevin Randle's latest book to see how he and others botched UFO sightings and screwed up witness testimony with subliminal AND overt suggestions and biases.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, January 25, 2012  

  • After reading more of Caravaca's theory, it has "merit" or at least should be given due consideration.

    @Bruce: Perhaps Caravaca's theory could be looked at more as a point of view derived from a correlation study.

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Wednesday, January 25, 2012  

  • To do the subject justice, I cannot do this in this little comment box. I will do so in my blog which will have to wait for a short time as I have to do a treatment. The similarities may be a variant of Folie simultanée that describes either the situation where two people considered to suffer independently from "psychosis influence" the content of each other's delusions so they become identical or strikingly similar, or one in which two people "morbidly predisposed" to delusional psychosis mutually trigger symptoms in each other. Do these patterns represent a shared psychosis?
    I will follow through as I agree this is an interesting theory.
    I had a friend go through this on a busy street, who was perfectly "sane" outside of this anomalous event. That's another story..

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, January 25, 2012  

  • Bruce:

    We'd hope you would address the issue here, rather than at your blog.

    After all, this is where the debate is centered.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, January 25, 2012  

  • Tim,
    "Perhaps Caravaca's theory could be looked at more as a point of view derived from a correlation study."
    The theory has a great deal of merit, based on very convincing correlations and if you go back and read our comments to one another, we only disagree as to the source. As Jose said, we only disagree on "20% "
    which is a external sentient source, which in the last comment I made, using self organizing systems as an example ( no central control) of patterns can mimic sentience without being sentient. LOL..television came to mind.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, January 25, 2012  

  • Perhaps the issue could be looked at from a neuromolecular process where the individuals involved may have a slight surge of the neurotransmitter dopamine.

    This would influence the subjects visual perceptions based on the "Dopamine Surge Theory", but only a momentary re-uptake/spike which would limit the psychotic event.

    By Blogger Tim Hebert, at Wednesday, January 25, 2012  

  • I know this is going to sound extremely far fetched, and frankly, I do NOT accept as much myself because there is simply NO substantiation to even give part of the guess any real credence, but here it is.

    If one buys into the whole Gray alien agenda wherein abduction and genetic manipulation is involved, Jose's theory takes on a relatively mundane (not of means but rather of intent)and utilitarian perspective.

    There is absolutely NO questioning the fact that MANY of these close encounter "victims" are plagued with either serious or superficial, but real nonetheless, health maladies after their encounters. This has also been markedly the same as those involved within the hypothetical abduction phenomenon as well. Human beings are relatively fragile with respect to stress.

    It would seem possible, that IF a race of beings whose natural reality orientation, or strictly their advanced technology if that is hypothetically the case, allows them to interact with us apart from their native dimensional orientation, it's quite possible that such a capability would include energy transformation and modulation to enable or produce such a segue.

    If we stop to ponder the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and the implications it presents with respect to our inherently influential "consciously entrained reality observations", it's quite possible that such a being could use the broadcast of an exotic near field energy interference to randomly induce visually observed, consciousness entrained, perceptual differences of appearance and experience, within a specific near field parameter. It may be possible to extract and interface native consciousness entrainment to elicit a partial inherent (to the witness) overlay with respect to visual energy translation.

    The problem with this whole line of hypothetical reasoning is that it starts to sound an awful lot like a human time table for what I am about to propose.

    It would make "sense" (to a lunatic like me anyhow) that such a race of beings would do their best to keep from damaging the subjects of their interest. Especially if their activities revolve around the manipulation of genetic heredity and the subsequent harvest of the generational manipulation of DNA.

    Was the Distortion contained within these events, an effect that seems to have all but disappeared at this point, designed to elicit an acclimation shock value as a part of a preliminary 20-40 year study on behalf of the Greys to learn and adapt their systematic abduction program in a way that would be as least damaging to the genetic material of their project's focus? It's possible that the events were as Jose states, specifically targeted to select individguals and absolutely bizarre by design. Wherein the specific individuals were in a controlled and isolated study effort to minimize the human shock factor by "tuning" such a near field capability to our specific consciousness as an anecdote for the typical trauma and stress that those undergoing the abduction experience suffer.

    Could some covert sector of the military be responsible for as much? A good number of people think so.

    There is no question that Jose's theory concerning his proposed witness observation Distortion within various Close Encounter events is very intriguing. It makes one think and that's a GREAT thing. The Distortion Theory in my mind is one that would absolutely require a monotypic source to account for the tremendous variance of specific case reported high strangeness. Are the Grays or their overlords (good lord I'm LOOSING it!) responsible for this Distortion?

    By Blogger Jeff Davis, at Friday, January 27, 2012  

  • Jeff...

    There are several questions that are difficult to answer;,
    1 .- Why the grays alien, only abducted Americans? In not any country there have been cases as documented like in this country (USA).
    In Europe close encounters featuring the "grays" are very rare, almost anecdotal.
    2 .- Why bother grays alien create a kind of psychic camouflage, if after his face appears, shirts, movies, books, comics.
    It is logical that an extraterrestrial civilization that makes a comprehensive genetic study of an "indigenous" population, let your face (gray with black eyes) is more popular than George Washington.,
    3 .- There are obvious suspicions that hypnotic regressions conducted by different investigators to extract information from witnesses, have been conducted in a biased (to get the desired results).
    4.- Nor does it seem logical that an "alien supercivilization", allow a simple researcher, with the help of hypnosis, read all his plans ...
    5.- The abduction of the "grays" are the product of a great uncontrolled distortion, plus a lot of deception, mental disorders, bad research and other things ...

    That at least is what I think...


    By Blogger jacarav@ca, at Saturday, January 28, 2012  

  • Jeff Davis provided a comment, with an opening proviso that was a little garbled, so we've taken the main body of his comment and append it here, with this caveat:
    Jeff has a link to UFO Mania where he and others are discussing Alien Abductions, which is a topic we don't wish to get embroiled in here.

    Jeff's response to Jose Caravaca:


    Thank you for responding! These are indeed well founded perspectives you have in question here.

    I must begin here by emphasizing overtly, that I have no specific rooted belief in the "Abduction Phenomenon" (hereto afterward, referred to as, AP). I do sincerely appreciate the direct interaction of opportunity that your response here demonstrates, however, I just want to be up front with you. I am not convinced at this point myself, in the very least, that the AP itself consists of anything more than an entirely human experience. Either by a imposed covert means, or a self generated means, the AP is a fascinating consideration that unfortunately all too many times represents someone's certain suffering at the very least. This being apart from what I have speculated to be a separate subset of causality factors the latter self generated option represents, with respect to an inherently internal underlined motive or cause for the AP.

    It is critical to both my personal integrity, as well as this UFOI speculative assessment, that I clearly emphasize my neutral stance on the specifically determined nature of a responsible agent herein, whether such an impetus be external or internal within the AP. According to the continuity of over all experience reporting, I personally feel VERY strongly about the all too real suffering that many abduction victims report in tandem with their experiences. I have proposed as much quite sincerely in the past and maintain this stance: http://goo.gl/Xzrdb

    It is my genuine HOPE that the matter will be legitimately determined and dealt with via the best humanity has to offer, both ethically, and technologically.

    On to your line of questioning Jose.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, January 30, 2012  

  • pt. (2)

    2) (a) Well, in my little science fiction fantasy that I proposed here several days ago, it would go something like this: The gray aliens may have in fact been executing a preservation based, proprietorially initiated, near field entrainment program that specifically allowed for the refined minimization of damage to the sensitive DNA material of their real mission's interest. The incredulously wild CE experiences that seemingly make no sense, may have been perceptual illusions, facilitated and derived from the near field extrapolation of shallow collective unconscious information. Possibly in an effort to refine the intense adaptive process of interfacing the minds of specific and isolated human test subject's "energy of consciousness", the external agent via the manipulated modulation & potentiality of near field entrainment effecting the witness's conscious mind, wherein there would be an elicitation of measurable "shock" and deep stress induced trauma factor information, that could be used in an effort to minimize subsequently inflicted DNA damage, possibly due to such an energy of consciousness interface between the testing agency and the test subjects. When one stops to think about the ethical implications here Jose, every moral concern is just off the charts. It's quite possible that the test subject's (more like victim's!) endure a form of residual genetic memory contamination wherein DNA code breakdown, or energy of consciousness fatigue, results from interacting with such a deeply bizarre synthetic interface. Within abduction relative literature, of which in the past I fully admit the guilty pleasure of having truly read a boat load of, such accounts of utter exhaustion are VERY common. Sometimes accompanied in storyline with an alien assisted energy rejuvenation of fantastic proportions within the category of reporting that represents the non apathetic variety of the Gray Alien. So in effect, the appearance of various incredulous creatures as being extraordinary multidimensional/extraterrestrial entities, who's CE appearance is reportedly associated with what may be an extrapolated inherent partial overlay of the CE witness's "distorted/entrained" perception, may represent the witness's shallow collective unconsciousness entrained awareness, being pushed to a necessary extreme within an acclimation proving ground, or a controlled study, to achieve maximum efficiency via the minimization of damage or contamination to harvest targeted genetic materials.

    (b) I agree that culture derived social imagery is a fascinating issue to consider! Especially considering how fast it changes. Recently children in the United States were shown five pictures of famous people. Some fictitious famous characters, and some being real famous iconic people including President Obama. Do you know what the one photo was that the children did NOT know the identity of? Most just sat and stared, some took guesses, but fewer than any other picture's accurate ID, it was good ol' JC himself that was least recognized! I am not stating that's a good or bad thing, but 40 years ago, if you were to show the average 5 year old a classic iconic photo of Jesus, 98% would have got the answer correct. Culture studies are just incredibly fascinating.

    By Blogger Jeff Davis, at Monday, January 30, 2012  

  • Could someone please let me know why the last part of my post to Jose is not getting posted here?

    Also, there was NO discourse represented by the link I submitted. It only elaborates my feelings on the AP in detail. I only asked permission to use the link because of not knowing Rich's feelings on the UFOmania board in general. I have only posted three or four times there and it seems pretty quiet.


    By Blogger Jeff Davis, at Tuesday, January 31, 2012  

  • Jeff...

    Your longish oomment was not posted because it was too immersed in the abduction phenomenon.

    We'll mention abductions in passing but prefer to avoid that element of the UFO discussion because it invites all kinds of crazy opinion and responses.

    You were taking Jose Caravaca's Distortion Theory up that path and we didn't want to besmudge his views with alien abduction material.

    I noted our caveat about posting such material when I inserted your initial comment but you must have missed it.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, January 31, 2012  

  • Hi Rich
    I think you MISSED the gist of the situation. I was answering questions specifically posed by Jose in reference to Distortion Theory pondering. Those questions, at least the last 3, will not get answered because of the censorship. I would not have wasted my time with very well thought out hypothetical answers to each of his questions if I thought my answers would have been perceived as inappropriate here.


    By Blogger Jeff Davis, at Tuesday, January 31, 2012  

  • Jeff:

    You always provide thougthful, insightful comments.

    But you were getting a little too deep into Alien Abductions, and we prefer to avoid that topic as much as we can.

    Jose may have led you there but we really don't want to get into the issue when it comes to his theory.

    It takes us and his views away from what he is proposing.

    I mentioned upfront that we didn't want to go there, but, again, you missed my prohibition.

    Bruce Duensing is one of he most brilliant persons commenting here but we often set aside his comments as they could take us far from where we want to go or be.

    It's not censorship but editorial control of what we want our blog to be about.

    I've forwarded your views to Jose, via private e-mail.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, January 31, 2012  

  • Totally cool Rich. I was honestly not aware that the AP was something that UFOI avoided. No one wants to see something that they put a good deal of time into discarded, so I really appreciate you forwarding as much to him. Thanks.

    By Blogger Jeff Davis, at Tuesday, January 31, 2012  

  • Jose just wrote me back about your material and included this:

    "I appreciate the effort of Jeff."

    But he and I are in agreement that bringing in alien sbductions will only make the matter more confusing or convoluted than it already is by the very nature of it.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, January 31, 2012  

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