UFO Conjectures

Thursday, January 19, 2012

Nick Redfern is back in the desert, near Roswell...

Nick just can't leave Roswell alone.

Again, he caters to the Roswell quidnuncs with this HERE.


  • I don't wanna come across like Captain Ahab forever pursuing the whale, but...well...er...

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Thursday, January 19, 2012  

  • Hahahahaha..

    That's it, Nick....you have assumed the Captain Ahab mantle.

    (Ahab is one of my favorite fictional characters.)


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, January 19, 2012  

  • Does that mean I have to start referring to everyone else here as a landlubber, put on a stupid pirate accent from now on, and sing an old sea-shanty or several?

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Thursday, January 19, 2012  

  • Nah, you just have to get a wooden leg and pass out some doubloons.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, January 19, 2012  

  • Well, if Nick is Ahab, then who be Ishmael, not to mention Queequeg and Tashtego, onboard this ufological Pequod?

    By Blogger steve sawyer, at Thursday, January 19, 2012  

  • Hello,
    Another matter could be imho to verify if such records (ie the "ongoing messages") were or not destinated to stay as "permanent records" ;
    Or if it was sheduled in USA(A)F a normal destruction processing of the (such) files (ie : after 5 years, etc.).
    As CDA pointed too in his Nick's site comment, it could be interresting to have a "Control Group" : doing the same "extensive" research for another base, for another "numbered" Air Force than the 8th, at the same time periods, etc. And to compare.
    Just my 1/2 cent.

    By Blogger Gilles. F., at Friday, January 20, 2012  

  • Steve
    Shiver me timbers, I have no idea! Why do I now have the stupid urge to speak like a pirate and keep going "aaargh, aargh"?!

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Friday, January 20, 2012  

  • The other interesting thing that many forget is that certain of these messages were outgoing messages.

    In other words, they weren't internal messages but were being sent to other destinations.

    It would be a big task, but not an impossible task, to (for example) check the archived incoming messages at other bases (Wright Field, maybe, as it was then?) for messages that came from Roswell in July 47.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Friday, January 20, 2012  

  • @Nick:

    "Why do I now have the stupid urge to speak like a pirate and keep going 'aaargh, aargh'?!"

    Aye, matey, I think that has been referred to in the medical community as the Johnny Depp syndrome. [Arrrgghh!]

    Although "Cap'n Jack Sparrow" is no Ahab (being based on Keith Richards' mannerisms, btw), if you find yourself wearing an eyepatch and yearning for a parrot upon your shoulder, consult a doctor immediately. And get that shattered sperm whale leg bone replaced while you're at it with a decent prosthetic...

    Seriously, though, I also seem to recall that all the outgoing comm messages from Roswell were destroyed decades ago, and did include the period from 1945 to 1950, which is not as significant as some 'Roswellians' seem to think, as old records like that, under standard USG and military record disposition procedures, are normally destroyed after an interim 5, 10, 15, or 20+ year period as a matter of course, depending on type and nature of the records, unless significant, and then only those still classified or historical are preserved and archived elsewhere, normally.

    The USG can't preserve or store every mundane record, as they'd be even more submerged in an ocean of paperwork than they already are.

    So, I agree with Nick that the absence of such communications records is not likely that important or related, per se, to the Roswell incident.

    Yet, these standard record destruction procedures are normally authorized by specific destruction order forms under military regs, and I seem to recall that the USAF or some other research indicated that while a destruction order for those records was found (?), that the particular reason that should have been noted on the destruct order was not listed, and more intriguingly, the form was not signed, which it normally should have been.

    Curious, but not telling in any real way, as that kind of thing in military ops, as to records disposition, is often haphazard and reflective of bureaucratic oversights and processes in any huge organization. Nick's take is most probably correct. NBD, RIP, IMHO.

    By Blogger steve sawyer, at Friday, January 20, 2012  

  • Steve:

    Whatever the reason for the missing files, I know one thing: proponents will continue use this as evidence of cover-up, skeptics will champion the idea it's all bureaucracy, others like me will try and look at in an unbiased fashion, while realizing at the end of the day it will never prove anything - only a body, a bit of wreckage, or THE "Roswell File" will do that.

    Until (or unless) that happens the Roswell circus will continue, and more and more Ahabs will continue on a probably futile chase for the whale of the Foster Ranch.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Friday, January 20, 2012  

  • @Nick:

    Basically, agreed.

    I think one lesson to be learned here is to avoid, at all costs, becoming an Ahab in the pursuit of the great White Whale(s?) of Roswell, so that one does not become consumed with the search for "the truth."

    Neither a believer nor a pseudo-skeptic be, as it's best to keep an open but honestly skeptical and objective mind about such Fortean matters, and to use your intellect and imagination, while still understanding what is speculation vs. founded theory, and note it as such, but to maintain a careful balance of a kind of "UFO agnosticism," since we still do not know what may be behind the phenomenon, regardless of origin and apparent nature.

    The great temptation of interpretation of the most unknown elements of the phenomenon, that in some ways suggest the involvement of advanced non-human intelligence [ANHI], of any kind, may or may not be true, and the objective must remain to approach the subject, and the witnesses to it, as empirically as possible, with deductive and inductive reasoning applied, to yield vetted, peer-reviewed, multi-disciplinary data patterns, within and recognizing a "ufological" Heisenberg-like "uncertainty principle," prior to hypotheses being presented or "believed."

    Otherwise, "confirmation bias," etc., will mislead us and misdirect us from finding the critical pathways to what is true and/or may be, and which is a central key in the kind of process I'm suggesting may work best.

    A kind of Zen Soto "detachment" and focus is preferred, IMHO.

    Science requires it.

    Or, so I "believe," for now. 8^}

    By Blogger steve sawyer, at Saturday, January 21, 2012  

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