Nick Redfern provides an intriguing story
Nick Redfern brings forth a story about a British Air Marshall's brush with a human-looking alien, dubbed Mr. Janus.Click HERE for Nick's interesting tale.
(No, that's not Mr. Janus, pictured, but our favorite movie extraterrestrial.)
posted by RRRGroup at
Tuesday, January 17, 2012
24 Comments:
Rich:
Your comment makes me wonder, who or what is everyone else's favorite alien?
I vote for Nyah, from Devil Girl From Mars - a definitive "Aura Rhanes"-type, if there ever was one!
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_Girl_from_Mars
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Nick Redfern, at Tuesday, January 17, 2012
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Parakletos, at Wednesday, January 18, 2012
It could be. Except there is/was a chain of people that led him to Janus.
Plus, there's certainly no evidence from his writings, career etc that his mind ever created other entities - allegedly from this world or any other.
Does that mean we should accept the story literally?
No.
It means we should address all issues, including the possibility of some weird, loyalty test by the Intel world, using the UFO issue as a smokescreen.
We know - because the files have surfaced via FOIA - that the British Police Force's Special Branch was watching the Aetherius Society and George King back in the 50s, and Special Branch files comment on the Aetherius Society's stance on atomic weapons.
The early years of the Contactee movement (and Horsley's case certainly falls into this category) were deeply tied - in a variety of ways - with the Intel world.
Horsley's experience may - ironically - prove to be far stranger than an encounter with a real alien, if we can prove it.
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Nick Redfern, at Wednesday, January 18, 2012
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Parakletos, at Wednesday, January 18, 2012
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Parakletos, at Wednesday, January 18, 2012
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Parakletos, at Wednesday, January 18, 2012
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Parakletos, at Wednesday, January 18, 2012
Yep, the psychological issue is an important one. Is it the only one? No. Could it have validity? Yep. Will we ever know? Nope!
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Nick Redfern, at Wednesday, January 18, 2012
We can't question them. They're either dead or in the case of Prince Philip, not talking.
Actually, I would refuse to talk to Prince Philip anyway. The Royal Family is an abhorrent malignancy.
You say: "We can dream of real people that lead us to unreal people in our dream. That doesn't make the unreal people any more real."
Yes we can, and given the prestigious position Horsley held, that's one of the things that makes his story so fascinating.
Whatever happened or did not happen, by default it's still a deeply intriguing story - and troubling too if it all came out of his head, given his standing in officialdom!
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Nick Redfern, at Wednesday, January 18, 2012
The important thing about the Horsley saga is that regardless of what happened, it has the potential to shed light on what occurs during UFO experiences.
If it was literally as Horsley suggested, them human-like ETs are among us.
If it involved the Intel services, then it opens up a big can of worms re how Ufology, and ufological events, have been officially and secretly manipulated.
If it was all internal and the prodcut of his mind, this is also deeply fascinating, as it gives us some interesting insight into deep, close personal encounters (that never really happened in the literal sense), and which may then help shed light on further, similar cases.
For all those reasons, Horsley's case is a good one to look into.
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Nick Redfern, at Wednesday, January 18, 2012
I generally look at the possibility of confabulations from a psychological perspective.
But, in reading Nick's article, Horsley's credentials as evident by his outstanding military career and advancements makes this highly unlikely when taking into account only one "encounter."
The "out of body" experience could have been secondary to delirium due to severe dehydration. Metabolic disturbances can affect ones cognitive functions.
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Tim Hebert, at Wednesday, January 18, 2012
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Parakletos, at Wednesday, January 18, 2012
Not only a favorite, but our most elegant and urbane alien. One expects him to offer us a drink.
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purrlgurrl, at Wednesday, January 18, 2012
The the identity of the missing intermediary who introduced him to the urbane individual posed as an extraterrestrial is intriguing, only if he existed.
If this fellow was as intelligent as his resume suggests, would not he asked for proof, beyond suggestion that this fellow was an extraterrestrial? What convinced him that he was? Anyone can discuss nuclear disarmament.
The account is vague, perhaps intentionally so.
I suspect he was "set up" and his willingness to believe was known. He passed along what he was fed.
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Bruce Duensing, at Thursday, January 19, 2012
BTW..the real question why was he fed this scenario, what was the motive? To convince a person of standing that ET was a reality. Why?
To me this sounds like at least two individuals ( the intermediary and the "alien") were having a sardonic joke at his expense to relate to others. We went to see so and so and it's true he is off his rocker..
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Bruce Duensing, at Thursday, January 19, 2012
Bruce:
I'm inclined to think of some sort of set-up - probably Intel-based.
Here's why: there's one aspect of Horsley's story that few consider the implications of.
By his own admission, this encounter did not occur out the blue. Rather, it occurred AFTER Horsley established his very own unofficial, after-hours study of the UFO phenomenon.
This was a guy with a substantial military background, a connection to the Royal Family, and here is looking into UFOs, a subject that - in varying degrees and for varying reasons - troubled and attracted the attention of various arms of British officialdom.
My best guess would be a brilliant ruse to see where Horsley's head was at and to ensure (in a worst case scenario) that he wasn't being influenced by the Contactees of that very era and their "the aliens want us to disarm our atomic weapons" statements.
For someone in Horsley's position to go down that path would have been disastrous - hence why I suspect he was "checked out" on his UFO views by someone of a very terrestrial nature.
The ESP, reading his mind angle may simply be explainable by the man having extensive background on Horsley's beliefs, work etc already in-hand.
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Nick Redfern, at Thursday, January 19, 2012
Bruce:
I also suspect a bit of subtle Intel humor at work here too.
As a friend of mine in the UK, Kithra, notes: "in mythology Janus was a two-faced god that looked both ways."
An intel agent posing as a human-looking alien: two-faces, but one person. Hence, Janus.
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Nick Redfern, at Thursday, January 19, 2012
Nick
I think that ( your scenario) has the strongest probability of being true as far as answering why he was set up.
I think this one example out of many of targeting and feeding subjects misinformation for the purpose of analysis, for a variety of reasons.
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Bruce Duensing, at Thursday, January 19, 2012
What I find interesting, Bruce, is that we can find much of this manipulation of the UFO phenomenon having occurred in the early to late 50s (Horsley, Villas-Boas re Bosco Nedelcovic, Orfeo Angelucci and CIA LSD tests, etc etc.).
I suspect this, more than any other, is the era we need to concentrate on when it comes to understanding how and why the government came to realize the UFO issue was one that it could manipulate for Intel/Disinfo/Counterintel reasons.
Of course, there is a real UFO phenomenon, but, in my view, government manipulation of it is - in some ways - even more fascinating than the phenomenon itself!
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Nick Redfern, at Thursday, January 19, 2012
Nick, is it possible that Horsley's views may have been influenced early on by the WWII "Foo Fighter" phenomenon?
Did Horsley ever mention or written about such sightings while flying combat missions?
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Tim Hebert, at Thursday, January 19, 2012
Tim:
Not to the best of my knowledge, no.
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Nick Redfern, at Thursday, January 19, 2012
Nick
At one point in time I did an analysis of the intelligence games being played in that time frame, the Soviet desire to obtain nuclear technology with a substantial intelligence network in the country, even in circles around the Manhattan Project, which, I think at one point you commented on. I remain somewhat convinced that Roswell was a compartmentalized,designed hoax, a carrot and a snare. Now you see it now you don't. The Soviet would ask, which is it? We say, come and look for it. I think many patriotic folks were duped out of necessity, out of the necessary, compartmentalized loop. I think it is one of the great untold stories of postwar intelligence games.
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Bruce Duensing, at Thursday, January 19, 2012
Tim:
I've never come across anything to suggest that, no.
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Nick Redfern, at Thursday, January 19, 2012
BTW..
I think the biggest single mistake ( which you are trying to correct) is not considering that hiding evidence of a alien crash would require the same methodology as hiding a ruse that one did occur. Taking advantage of one event and making it appear to be another is the chief feature of the intelligence game.
The Dream Team will more than likely fall into or has fallen into the same trap set for the Soviet. Consider which is more important misleading your foe or misleading civilians who are already in your camp that you are trying to defend?
As you have done, which I think is admirable, is look for the context that leads back to the ruse.
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Bruce Duensing, at Thursday, January 19, 2012
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