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Wednesday, January 25, 2012

Roswell: The Morphing Metal and More....


Anthony Bragalia, who has been an avid advocate for the idea that the U.S. government and military have been studying the alleged Roswell debris, especially the attributes of the metal found: the so-called morphing metal, that was the major contruction element of the reported crashed flying disk.

Mr. Bragalia stumbled upon a web-site that antedates his conjectures and research and I thought some of you might find the site as intereasting as he and I have.

Click HERE to access the site, and let us know what you think...

RR

15 Comments:

  • "As you probably already know, there's a hangar at Wright Patterson Air Force base that contains very highly classified material, believed to be Roswell and/or other ET remains, so tightly controlled that even Barry Goldwater, a US Senator and Major General in the USAF Reserve, was denied access.We are intrigued by this final link, as you will see in our discoveries below!"

    I ask:

    1. Who wrote this passage?
    2. Why does the writer suppose ET remains or other "very highly classified material" are stored in this hangar, when the USAF have repeatedly denied any such hangar exists?

    As soon as I read this I read no further.

    By the way, Goldwater was NOT denied access to any such hangar. That is a complete myth. All that he was denied was access to some AF UFO documents in the early 1960s while Curtis LeMay was USAF chief of staff (as per a letter he wrote to a constituent in 1975).

    By Blogger cda, at Wednesday, January 25, 2012  

  • Christopher:

    Roswell rascals will always insert long-discarded false information, such as the Hangar contents and the Goldwater story in their ruminations and fantasy-ramblings.

    One has to bypass such nonsense and look for possible insights that might be present.

    Of course, those "insights" may be similar pie-in-the-sky statements, but one can hope that one or two have validity.

    What I intended by provding the link was an opportunity for Roswell aficionados to compare what the site has to say about the metal relative to what Anthony Bragalia has to say in his postings.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, January 25, 2012  

  • Forgive me, but I have read the website article a little further (after saying I would not), and am wondering:

    Carey and Schmitt produced a recent book on Roswell, in which Tony Bragalia contributed one chapter, so I believe. Other researchers, such as the author of the above article, have fastened onto this book with Bragalia's chapter in it, and expanded it a bit.

    Tony now refers us to this web article, which he knows mentions the 'mystery metal', since the article is in part based on his own findings as given in his chapter of the Carey/Schmitt book.

    Are we not going round in a circle? The way you, or Bragalia has presented it, this article is supposed to be independent support of what Tony has written. But is it? It does not sound like it.

    Or have I got it wrong?

    By Blogger cda, at Wednesday, January 25, 2012  

  • Christopher,

    Tony was shocked to find the article, and more so when he saw that it was initiated in the early 90s, much before he started to get into the nitinol thing.

    I saw that the site was refreshed in 2009 and told him I thought that had used his material, perhaps, in the redoing.

    I have no idea what the time-frame is or who is responsible for what.

    It was the extent of the maaterial that intrigued me, and the layout of the time-line(s).

    You're making too much of the quirks inside Tony's and the site's conjectures....you fail to see the forest for the trees as it were.

    The question(s) to ask include, why do some believe that memory metal was part of the alleged Roswell debris, and why is Battelle still working with it, as Tony has found out.

    Was there debris? Where did it come from? A flying disk crash? Or something else?

    Was there really debris?

    Is memory metal a real thing?

    And who came up with the idea in the first place? Corso?

    Tony's chapter in a book is a side-bar, a red herring almost.

    Let's stick with the debris and memory metal angles, if possible.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, January 25, 2012  

  • PART 1:

    It’s worth noting that there is a further example demonstrating that the Roswell-Nitinol connection is not a new one.

    It is a story that I first heard in 2003 and which was published in 2005, in my book Body Snatchers in the Desert, 7 years ago.

    One of the people I interviewed for the book was an elderly man I dubbed “the Colonel,” who had a long background within US Intelligence, and particularly so with the Defense Intelligence Agency. Interestingly, one of the things the Colonel wanted to speak to me about was the Nitinol connection to Roswell.

    And, before anyone claims that I’m merely jumping on the bandwagon, I’m most assuredly not. As I mentioned, the following story was published by me in Body Snatchers 7 years ago, and was based upon a now-9-years-old interview.

    According to the Colonel, in the early 1960s – possibly around Christmas of 1962, the Colonel thought, but was admittedly not entirely certain - it was suspected that a Soviet spy known to be operating in Washington, D.C., was receiving classified data (of a non-UFO nature, I should stress) from someone allied to the U.S. Army’s Foreign Technology Division (FTD). A plan was hatched to reveal bogus information to the traitor that was very specific, and that would be easily traced back to the Soviet contact when it was duly passed on - thus identifying the traitor, too.

    The concocted story, stated the Colonel, was that, in 1961, the FTD had got its hands on a quantity of strange, metallic debris from a crashed UFO that was being analyzed under cover of the strictest security. This story was duly, and carefully, leaked to the suspected Soviet sympathizer and, apparently, the ruse worked: the US traitor forwarded the information on to his Russian handler and arrests were quickly and quietly made, and without any real secrets having been compromised.

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Wednesday, January 25, 2012  

  • PART 2:

    But, said the Colonel, officialdom added to the ruse by exposing the traitor to a very limited amount of research into Nitinol – to try and emphasize in the traitor’s mind, and ultimately in the mind of his Soviet handler, that this was indeed extraterrestrial material of a definitively unique, “memory-metal” nature.

    To expose such groundbreaking material to a source that was potentially hostile to the US, said the Colonel – even under strictly controlled and monitored circumstances - was deemed an extremely risky and fraught move. He said, however, that the dicey maneuver worked, and the traitor in the FTD came to believe the material to which he had been exposed really was extraterrestrial – rather than the result of the groundbreaking work of US scientists.

    Interestingly, the Colonel added that this led to rumors in circulation within elements of officialdom that the Army’s FTD had got its hands on crashed UFO materials of a memory-metal nature.

    Potentially of relevance to this issue is that in 1997 one of the most controversial UFO books of all time surfaced: The Day After Roswell, co-written by Lt. Col. Philip J. Corso and UFO Magazine’s Bill Birnes. Corso just happened to be a prime-mover within the Army’s FTD in the early 1960s. According to Corso, he had hands-on access while with the FTD to certain, recovered materials from the Roswell crash of 1947 – materials that Corso asserted until his dying day were extra-terrestrial in origin.

    The Colonel, however, told me he believed that, wittingly or unwittingly, Corso’s story could be traced back to the ruse laid down to smoke out the Soviets’ informant. How this all relates to the Corso story is not fully clear; but it is an intriguing slant on the whole controversy. And it should be noted that it was during this precise time period in which Nitinol came to the fore - 1961-1962 - that Corso served with the FTD, and when the Soviet spy saga was allegedly unfolding.

    How this all ties in with Tony Bragalia’s research is far from clear either. But, to me, there are several issues of importance and relevance to this whole puzzle.

    With respect to the Colonel’s story, it seems to me there are only two major possibilities: the first is that he was telling the truth, and that there really was a Roswell-Nitinol connection – but it was a connection borne out of a secret operation based around deception, psychological warfare, espionage and concocted tales positing a Roswell-UFO-Nitinol link to smoke-out a communist sympathizer and his Soviet ally.

    The other possibility is that the Colonel was being utterly deceptive when he spoke with me, and that he secretly suspected one day someone would finally uncover a real ET angle to the Roswell-Nitinol story – and the complex chain of events, too – that Tony is currently investigating. And, as a result, the Colonel attempted to try and deflect such Nitinol research by placing the story in a wholly down-to-earth context, rather than one involving literal aliens and a crashed UFO.

    I have no idea which scenario is correct – and maybe you have other ideas. But, I will say this: the fact that a Roswell-Nitinol story was given to me 9 years ago, and was published 7 years ago by me, leads me to believe that there most assuredly IS a Roswell-Nitinol link to be uncovered, analyzed and, finally, understood.

    Whether or not that link will ultimately lead us down a path towards a crashed UFO and secret back-engineering of the unusual debris found in the desert of New Mexico nearly 65 years ago, or in the direction of a bizarre effort to smoke-out Soviet spies, remains to be seen – in my view, at least!

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Wednesday, January 25, 2012  

  • Coincidentally, on the matter of Barry Goldwater and Le May, there's a new post from me on these very issues (and more too) at Mysterious Universe today:

    http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2012/01/ufos-noahs-ark-and-the-senator/

    By Blogger Nick Redfern, at Wednesday, January 25, 2012  

  • "Is memory metal a real thing?"

    Richie, it's way more than just a thing.

    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20906-lifelike-cells-are-made-of-metal.html

    http://www.chem.gla.ac.uk/cronin/

    http://www.ted.com/talks/lee_cronin_making_matter_come_alive.html

    By Blogger Frank Stalter, at Wednesday, January 25, 2012  

  • Frank:

    The memory ability is more or less, depending upon the person observing it.

    A slight crink that can be ironed out is quite different from a crumpled mass that resumes its original pristine state.

    Let's not be so quick to believe everything we read.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, January 25, 2012  

  • CDA-

    You are so very wrong about Goldwater. And the funny thing is that I have told you before about this.

    Goldwater appeared on Larry King Live on CNN several years ago and related the story. He clearly says that "secret items" were stored at Wright. And go to Youtube, CDA, and locate "Barry Goldwater on Curtis LeMay and UFOs" In this stunning interview, Goldwater discusses it.

    And Goldwater knew Butch Blanchard, Base Commander of RAAF very well. It is believed that this is what stirred Goldwater's interest in the subject.

    AJB

    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Wednesday, January 25, 2012  

  • "A slight crink that can be ironed out is quite different from a crumpled mass that resumes its original pristine state.

    Let's not be so quick to believe everything we read."

    The cutting edge of metallurgy is getting pretty interesting and some of these developments do beg the question: How is it that some Roswell military folks and locals are able to describe metal with such amazing properties?

    By Blogger Frank Stalter, at Wednesday, January 25, 2012  

  • Roswellians, Frank, seem to have an ESP ability...

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, January 25, 2012  

  • "Roswellians, Frank, seem to have an ESP ability..."

    Don't sell yourself short, Richie. Take the test at my blog. You might surprise yourself. ;O)

    By Blogger Frank Stalter, at Wednesday, January 25, 2012  

  • I took the Rhine test at U of M, back in the day....nothing remarkable on my part, ESP-wise.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, January 25, 2012  

  • AJB:

    "And Goldwater knew Butch Blanchard, Base Commander of RAAF very well. It is believed that this is what stirred Goldwater's interest in the subject."

    It is believed by whom?

    Are you saying that Goldwater was 'tipped off' about Roswell by Blanchard? When? Don't kid yourself!

    This would be a gross violation of Blanchard's oath of secrecy, wouldn't it? The sacred oath that all those associated with the incident were allegedly sworn to.
    Ask Kevin Randle if in doubt.

    I am as positive as I can be that Senator Goldwater knew absolutely nothing about Roswell until the Berlitz-Moore book came out. Nothing at all. His contact with LeMay was 20 years earlier.

    By Blogger cda, at Thursday, January 26, 2012  

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