UFO Conjecture(s)

Friday, January 27, 2012

Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, and UFOs

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The great, depressive philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer, like other philosophers (Plato, Berkeley, Hume., Kant, Fichte, et al.) thought that reality was built on the world we see (or experience) – phenomena and the world as it really is – noumena.

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I’m not going to get into a philosophical discourse here, as philosophers are only little less nutty than psychiatrists, but the idea, the thought, that we humans are subject to various realities, at least two, comes into play when we find proposals like that of Vallee and Caravaca about what is going on when UFO encounters take place.

And how does Nietzsche factor into this?

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Nietzsche eschewed religion, science, and philosophy, itself, allowing that we (humans) have explained nothing; such phenomena (as that perceived) is as magical to us now as it was to the most primitive of our species. [Introducing Nietzsche by Gane and Chan, Totem Books, NY, 1998, Page 59]

And Nietzsche’s nihilistic view is applicable to our ongoing discussion about what is happening, really happening, when Caravaca’s “witnesses” have a UFO or UFO-like encounter:

“The irrationality of a thing is no argument against its existence, rather a condition of it.” [Ibid, Page 35]

Marx is brought into the discussion by Gane and Chan (regarding morality, but applicable for our views here):

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“On the one side we have the events, on the other we have human interpretation of these events (but only one version will be correct).” [Ibid, Page 113]

Schopenhauer’s view that “behind the appearance of [things] lies the reality of my will or desire. This will does not exist like my body in time and space – it is not a physical entity at all, but underlies the whole of animate and inanimate nature throughout the cosmos.” [Ibid, Page 9]

“This timeless, non-physical cosmic force doesn’t lead Schopenhauer to the idea of a god," Gane and Chan write. [Page 9]

Schopenhauer’s “will” underlies his pessimistic take on life, and is the cause of human suffering.

But I think we might posit this underlying non-physical reality as, perhaps, the presence that Caravaca gives to the instigators of his Distortion theory and the events that take place within his hypothesis.

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Nietzsche would have no part in such a conjecture but he would allow us to ruminate upon it, without disparagement or criticism.

Okay, my point, without further Duensing it, is that thoughtful or creative men and women intuit a reality that transcends – Lecome du Nouy -- or sometimes supersedes – the psychological view -- our material, sensed reality.

This reality intersects with people – UFO encounters, ghostly apparitions, et cetera – and does so, not purposefully, as Caravaca or Vallee has it, but “accidentally” or inadvertently, as when some natural phenomenon adjusts one’s senses or neurological mechanisms. [Persinger]

But Nietzsche would offer that Caravaca’s and Vallee’s views can’t be dismissed out of hand.

So we are left to interject our opinions and thoughts as that is what the Ubermensch does.

RR

7 Comments:

  • Rich,
    "Nietzsche eschewed religion, science, and philosophy, itself, allowing that we (humans) have explained nothing; such phenomena (as that perceived) is as magical to us now as it was to the most primitive of our species. [Introducing Nietzsche by Gane and Chan, Totem Books, NY, 1998, Page 59]"

    Certainly, this as a capitulation of the whole, finds DR. N disillusioned. In fact, more so, a self justified pessimist.

    The real (IMO) truth here is the fact that the phenomena does in fact seem far more optimistically accessible than ever. We see inspirations for real and purposeful technical developments based on our observations of these phenomena. Frankly the magic represented by and within the phenomena at this point *is* more akin to inspiration, rather than being an impetus detracting fantasy in hindsight. In my mind, this gives the consideration great merit apart from superstition, or the resolute nature of that which has been resigned to that which is categorically indefinable.

    Patience is so underestimated. The leash is truly a bitch, but one thing is for certain, energy can neither create nor destroy itself. Seeings how we both logically possess, and are possessed by, the energy of consciousness, yet are bound within this temporal physical carcass, it's safe to state that we do indeed possess the potential to interact willfully as a multidimensional species with a composite nature. One of the finite, and one of the infinite. I think this may be the precise attraction we hold for certain denizens of that which may hypothetically constitute a natural occupancy of the opposite side of the dimensional fence. We may be very unique in this sense.

    Just because there are literally hundreds and hundreds of humanoid CE cases, does not mean that what these witnesses are experiencing are absolutely real flesh and blood beings. If the energy of consciousness were to become willfully unbound, without a leash to entrain itself environmentally, that energy could theoretically assume the appearance, possibly even the temporary experience itself, of matter.

    Nope Rich, DR. N. was just probably having a rusty day.

    By Blogger Jeff Davis, at Friday, January 27, 2012  

  • Jeff...

    You write:

    "We see inspirations for real and purposeful technical developments based on our observations of these phenomena."

    Surely you jest...

    I see no evidence of "technical developments" in any of the UFO encounters that haev been presented here or elsewhere.

    The scenarios are just crazy.

    Nietzsche was striving to create a formula that would help man become the Ubermensch -- the Superman.

    Not the "superman" that the Nazis interpreted but a man who was evolved to think clearly and without bias or ego.

    Lecomte du Nouy, whom I recommended you read, strives to make the same point, but with a theological overlay, a religious patina, as it were.

    Nietzsche is used here as a template for thought, nothing more.

    The UFO palate, as it exists, has to be cleansed.

    Thinking in the UFO community borders on insanity, and the herd (as Nietzsche would have it) has taken control of the topic, to its detriment....producing, as Nieltzsche had it, the Prostitution of the Intellect.

    If we can, in some small way, provide an island of hypothetical thought that isn't stifled by the likes of a Jerry Clark or Don Ledger, and a few others who shall remain nameless for now, we will be operating along the lines that the great Nietzsche indicated.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Friday, January 27, 2012  

  • "If we can, in some small way, provide an island of hypothetical thought that isn't stifled by the likes of a Jerry Clark or Don Ledger, and a few others who shall remain nameless for now, we will be operating along the lines that the great Nietzsche indicated."

    My reference to "technical inspirations" are based on the fact that we have witnessed the quantum likes of time travel, teleportation and nonlocality, invisibility, etc. At this point these actions have been observed only within their scientific infancy, albeit, documented scientific REALITY nonetheless.

    Are not all of these observed technical accomplishments, with respect to UFO flight performance characteristics as witnessed and attested to by MANY credible individuals over the last 20 years, not attributes all formerly only associated with science fiction, or possibly the myriad of reports documenting UFO behavior?

    No I don't jest. :-)

    In reference to your quote: I myself personally provide a most liberal helping of just what you most hope to provide here, but certainly no more, and certainly many times much less, than you, cda, Kandinsky, Bruce, Nick Redfern, Et al.

    In any scientific progressive field of learning and sincere interest, there is entailed a most necessary time for the casting off of old and tired this or that. With regard to your disdain of what despicable "road block" like mannerisms that you find so detestable from these fellows, it gives me great comfort to assure you that in my experience, none has been found here, and frankly, that's very encouraging to me.

    When one is bit by the life long UFO bug, you learn in a hurry, well, sometimes not...but most do eventually learn that if you scratch that itch too long and obsessively, you get a frustratingly raw and irritation prone sore. This "sore" can psychologically manifest itself as a personalty, philosophy, or sadly, a general perceived modus operandi.

    I'm really more of a singular entity with respect to the "gang" or "pack". The UFO subculture is an utter distraction from the issue and always has been. I take inspiration where I find it, and I do find PLENTY here. Lucky you.

    Standing on your own too feet is essential in life. Some people go from standing on their own two feet, to dancing with the stars, and don't learn to ever THINK on their feet. I can't relate to those people. My eyes are open too wide, and life's too short. I'm more so into self determined audiophile grade ufology, as opposed to transistor radio, mono ear bud grade, u-foology. Take healthy inspiration where you find it and let the dead bury the dead, that's my motto.

    By Blogger Jeff Davis, at Friday, January 27, 2012  

  • Rich,
    Completely forgot to mention,
    a hard cover copy of Lecomte du Nouy is on the way courtesy of Amazon for about 6.00. Thanks for the suggestion!

    Incidentally, much in this same vein, don't go looking for a copy of "Visitors from Lanulos", it's a sad affair and can lead to a much depressed state of self assessed financial affairs. ;-)

    By Blogger Jeff Davis, at Friday, January 27, 2012  

  • Jeff,

    I like the "let the dead bury the dead" line.

    That Jesus was so aphoristic.

    Your approach to UFOs, like Kandinsky's, is totally refreshing and without guile or self-promotion.

    You fellows make the topic interesting, continually, like it used to be.

    And I get your observation that Caravaca's UFO events seem to indicate quantum proclivities.

    That may be so, but I need something more tangible, like a ray gun or helmet (there are so many in his sightings) to show me the participants are advanced.

    As it is, they are as amorphous or ephemeral as Schrodinger's cat.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, January 28, 2012  

  • Jeff...

    I bought a slew of du Nouy's "Human Destiny" some years back to pass out to friends, and would have sent you one, had I still some left.

    (I'm now down to one copy.)

    Let me know how you find his musings.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Saturday, January 28, 2012  

  • Steve Sawyer provided a comment that we are not inputting here; not because it's a thicket of personal views we don't endorse but because Steve totally misperceived my viewpoint in the posting -- something he does now and then.

    Also, Steve introduces concepts that would better be served by his own blog, if he had one.

    I don't disagree with Caravaca or Vallee as he suggests.

    I'm merely playing devil's advocate.

    Steve and Bruce Duensing have views that are often brilliant and they wish our blog to be the forum for those views.

    Bruce tries to get us to go to his blog and Steve tries to use our soapboax.

    We prefer not to comply.

    Sorry Steve.

    You have so misunderstood my stance on the post above that it would take reams of typing to unclot your misunderstanding(s).

    I prefer to undertake other thoughtful enterprises.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, January 29, 2012  

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