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Thursday, February 09, 2012

Alien Abduction(s) of Primitive Women?

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Jose Caravaca, our Spanish colleague, conjectures that some of the images found in the rock paintings of Tassili (above/below) indicate scenes of abduction by, we assume, extraterrestrial visitors.

The paintings below, he envisions, show women being led to a "saucer" or circular craft:






This painting (below), from Tassili, is often cited by Ancient Astronaut theorists as an image of a space-helmeted alien being from outside the Earth:

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And in the yellow painting above, one sees that same "helmet" on a woman being taken somewhere.

Were the helmets needed for travel outside the Earth's atmosphere?

Were the helmets actually space helmets? Or part of primitive ritual garb?

Senor Caravaca's view is interesting, but is there another explanation for the images?

We don't find an anthropological thesis exactly.

Dr. Giorgio Gualco, in the article used by Josh Sordelet, in his posting about Tassili a few days ago, suggests that the paintings are "characterized by human figures with round heads, often bearing headdresses of horns or feathers."

Dr. Gualco is saying the depictions are caricatures of adornment, but the Tassili paintings didn't caricature the animals presented, or anything else.

The humans pictured are (artistically) stylized, but not to a degree that they are unrecognizable as human beings. The women's breasts are notable and their femininity compared to pictures of men is obvious.

So why would the painters create headdresses (helmets!) that are removed from their actuality; that is, why helmets that are "caricatured" when everything else isn't?

Jose Caravaca's keen eye may have found something -- something to support AA theory and Alien Abduction stories also.

RR

14 Comments:

  • "So why would the painters create headdresses (helmets!) that are removed from their actuality; that is, why helmets that are "caricatured" when everything else isn't?"

    The earliest religions were fertility cults based on the feminine principle as well as "moon goddesses." The earth itself and the earliest metallurgy was based on alchemical traveling "smiths" who stole from the womb of the earth and were considered magicians to be feared. The supernatural aspect of all this included "monsters" etc stealing fertility, resulting in appeasements...human sacrifices soon followed to ward off "uncontrolled" harvesting or a lack of harvest.
    I see no helmets in this of space men and if you look at an advanced race, all of this could be accomplished by other means, and then you must ask, whats the point of this hunting \ gathering? It seems supercilious and Freudian to boot. The territorial imperative of tribes has not lessened in terms of mythologies from grey aliens to "helmeted" outsiders.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Thursday, February 09, 2012  

  • What?

    That doesn't address the question.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, February 09, 2012  

  • It's pretty simple. lets try it another way. A helmet is to separate the user from the environment whether it is a bacterial threat, toxic gases, radiation etc. This presupposes the wearer is in a hostile environment chasing or gathering creatures who pose a potential threat in biological terms.
    If this is an accurate illustration where are the contamination precautions for the specimens not contaminating the space man's environment? Why aren't they bagged? It is a contradiction in methodology.
    Further, why are they holding hands playing following the leader instead of reacting to a hostile threat? Where are the warriors depicted putting up a heroic fight?
    This is more likely a fertility symbolism not a inkblot to superimpose suggestions and inferences of abductions that would require only one abduction to gain genetic material, not a group as portrayed. Bud Hopkins would love this one. Ugh..

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Thursday, February 09, 2012  

  • BTW..It did address the question, that the premise of the space men is actually a depiction of beliefs not actual events.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Thursday, February 09, 2012  

  • Bruce:

    You're arguing the AA theory not the anthropological theory.

    Who cares what the AA believers think?

    What do you think was in the mind of the Tassili painters?

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, February 09, 2012  

  • They were expressing a belief that women's fertility was supernatural in it's origin. That it was in the purview of demons or gods. Birth defects, gifted individuals were not in possession of genetics, it was bestowed by supernatural forces, inhuman or omniscient gods which these images depict.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Thursday, February 09, 2012  

  • If it's a fertility rite, Bruce, it is genteel almost.

    I don't get your contamination comment.

    The suggestion by Jose Caravaca is just that, a suggestion, as is your fertility scenario.

    I lean toward the sexual explanation myself, but that is a cop out, forced upon me by Freud's superimposition of Victorian sensibilities.

    The paintings are open to subjective interpretation as almost all art is.

    But when it comes to primitive art, we have to remember that the Freudian impositions or those of the early Church (for Renaissance art) don't apply.

    Caravaca's view intrigues, much nore than the old fertility rite idea.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, February 09, 2012  

  • Bruce:

    The cognative thinking you give to the painters astounds.

    They have developed a "theology" as it were.

    You may be right, as presumptive as your view is.

    But I wonder where you found the mind-set you ascribe to the painters...

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, February 09, 2012  

  • Your title is "Alien Abductions of Primitive Women" The depiction of the illustrations as representations of abductions, if they are what you are intrigued by, begs the question of potential contamination to both the specimens and the spacemen who gather them in a hostile environment whereas there are accounts of a lack of helmets. We are back to the Heinz 57 varieties of spacemen befuddlement, which then leads to distortion theory, which then erases the credulity of the accounts.
    As far as sexual matters in terms of fertility cults does not mean that it did not exist prior to being put into words by Freud in terms of territoriality and political, tribal behaviors. I think art is art and is no basis for evidence, simply probabilities so we agree. However in my view, it is more probable that this is an expression of belief just as alien abductions are an expression of belief. Take away belief and you have an inkblot.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Thursday, February 09, 2012  

  • Jose Caravaca has just sent some new photos of the Tassili paintings gathered by colleagues of his who were in the area, on expedition, and took the shots.

    They make his view more palatable as I see it, and I'll have a new posting, with the photos, online shortly.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, February 09, 2012  

  • There are several sources in anthropology such as Eliade or Graves or the study of animism,archeological discoveries concerning female totems, equally ritualized burials among the Neanderthal..all of which point out we have a bad habit of assuming our ancestors were ignoramuses without the same needs we have and \or foisting our bias in thinking technology use or lack of it is an arbiter of cognition.
    They based their beliefs on what they saw and they had a more centered recognition of the role of nature, worshiped it as a pantheism with "spirits involved" bad and good. They were less the drivers of their destiny compared to us. Nature was the supernatural.
    If you have watched Herzog's "Cave of Forgotten Dreams" you have a very cogent examination of cave art as representing this lost view of our ancestors. They may have not had I-Phones but they were far from bubbling simians.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Thursday, February 09, 2012  

  • I agree, generally and I'm an Eliade devotee, Bruce.

    But fine-tuning the thought processes of primitives, even with their art as a sub-text, is iffy.

    More to come...

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, February 09, 2012  

  • Interpreting the images as evidence of alien abduction is more reasonably described as anthropomorphism with a topical twist. Instead of human figures, some see aliens. Is it any different from a hard-core Christian seeing Jesus on that piece of toast instead of just a bearded man?


    'We anthropomorphize because guessing that the world is humanlike is
    a good bet. It is a bet because the world is uncertain, ambiguous, and in need of
    interpretation. It is a good bet because the most valuable interpretations usually
    are those that disclose the presence of whatever is important to us. That usually
    is other humans.' Stewart Guthrie

    Sure enough, some would argue that we can't know for certain what the ancient folk were seeking to depict. This gap can then be stuffed with whatever beliefs hold our fancy. Although I doubt it, these images might just well be accurate, eye-witness sketches of genuine abductions of women by aliens. The artist could have been hiding behind a boulder and these images are a mute testimony of their loss...so it goes.

    Or maybe some folk are projecting modern, sub-cultural concepts onto the creative activities of people whose values and beliefs we know little about?


    Guthrie quote: http://koti.welho.com/alahelm2/index_tiedostot/animism.pdf

    By Blogger Kandinsky, at Thursday, February 09, 2012  

  • Look at the legs of the "abductor" in the top picture. Looks very much , in detail, that the legs bend other than human. I've seen this before and it's every bit as intriguing to me as the helmet hypotheses. Anyone can wear some sort of helmet; but, legs just don't bend that way.
    He's not from around here.

    By Blogger roger s, at Friday, February 10, 2012  

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