UFO Conjectures

Tuesday, February 21, 2012

A Saucer Scoop?

Copyright 2012, InterAmerica, Inc.

Joan and Ron Whritenour, of St. Petersburg, Florida, along with others, published Saucer Scoop (pictured above).

In this undated issue, from the 1960s, Volume 2, Number 5 [August], Denmark’s Willy Olsen offered a saucer sighting, in his area, by two young boys.


This is a saucer encounter with a few elements that intrigue. (No date for the encounter is given.)

A “flying saucer” was spotted by (the) two boys, flying low, over Sjellands Odde while “playing in front of a big stack of hay.”

As it was becoming dark, the boys started for home when one noticed a dark grey object in the sky.


The object was traveling slowly, and seemed about to land, as three legs “were lowered through the bottom.”


But when it got to about three feet from the ground, the legs re-entered the craft and “it speeded up.”

The object continued toward the sea, and when it got near the shore, it threw out what looked like “boxes.”

(There are current accounts of strange boxes being found on the coastal beach at Bray’s Point, Oregon.)

When the object was out to sea - over the ocean – it lowered a large hamp or box via a large cable as “big as an arm.”


Then eight little persons came out through a hole in the bottom of the craft and climbed down the cable.

The boys said the persons looked friendly and actually waved at them – remember the Papua, New Guinea sighting of Reverend Gill – and smiled.


They didn’t wave in the normal manner, the boys said, but held their palms vertically and made quick horizontal movements.

One of the eight little persons (about the size of the boys themselves) wore a blue suit and the others wore striped suits.

They all, except the person with the blue suit, had containers on their backs with tubes going to their mouths.

They also had on striped caps and they seemed to have “had lights on their shoulders” – lights that looked like electric torches with a “light in both ends of the torches.”

That’s the SS/Willy Olsen account.

A date, the age of the boys or any follow-up information would be nice to know.

But taking the sighting/encounter as true, which I do when it comes from children and contains such explicit, bizarre details – kids who are lying will not provide such imaginative detail, deriving their falsehood from mundane or prosaic aspects of their daily lives or information from media they have read or seen – one has corroborating information that the boys surely wouldn’t know: The three protruding legs from the saucer (Socorro, et cetera), the Gill aliens waving, the cable descent (from two Medieval accounts that are part of UFO lore) and, of course, the boxes found in Oregon in 2012.

The uniforms, caps, and containers on the backs of the little persons, with (breathing?) tubes going to their mouths indicate a real sighting/encounter, not encumbered by mental machinations or a Distortion patina (although I imagine Jose Caravaca could make the case).

It’s these kinds of UFO incidents that matter, like Socorro, the Utterson episode, and the 1954 Rosa Lotti-Danielli case.


The appurtenances are what defines the sighting or encounter, and would have defined UFOs, had researchers realized that it’s not the forest – the overall UFO event – but, rather, the trees – the uniforms, caps, and back containers, for instance – that, like Zamora’s insignia, would go a long was to explaining such encounters and ultimately the UFO phenomenon.

Lights in the sky and daylight sightings of metal-like craft don’t take us anywhere.


But encounters like that noted above can take us to an understanding of what UFOs are: mental aberrations, encounters with “externals” (extraterrestrial or otherwise), or something like Senor Caravaca’s distortion scenarios.

Yet, just as UFO researchers have eschewed, pretty much, the Zamora insignia, they have ignored details like those recounted above, concentrating on the patina of the vent – the ET overlay as it were.

That said, I’m of the mind that UFOs are insignificant quirks that belabor idle minds and are dismissed by normal people, who have to contend with the exigencies and vagaries of our lot in life.

But UFOs have been and are addictive for some (me included) even as they continue to prove meaningless in the great scheme of things….



  • The coincidences periodically seem to mount up in this little rock pool of 'ufology.'

    Just the other day I read this account elsewhere and only remember it for the detail of the odd waving.

    If I can recall where I read it, I'll be sure to post the source.

    By Blogger Kandinsky, at Tuesday, February 21, 2012  

  • There are no boxes on the beach in Oregon. Investigators connected to Linda Moulton Howe went to the spot and no boxes were there. The story was outed as a hoax.

    In addition, some early debris from from Japan's devastating tsunami has begun to wash up onshore in the Pacifid NW. We had some brief notices in the local papers about not touching, but rather reporting it. So, it's possible debris washed ashore in Oregon and was removed by local authorities before Howe's team got there, but I kinda doubt it.

    The major portion of the Japanese debris will hit the beaches next year. God only knows what will wash up then and what stories will be spun when it does.

    Meanwhile, just watching this story without legs about some supposed boxes on the beach in Oregon ricochet around the paranormal community, one can actually see a future Roswell-type myth in the making. No blogger seems willing to let those boxes go and the story keeps getting little embellishments based on pure speculation. Fascinating.

    By Blogger purrlgurrl, at Tuesday, February 21, 2012  

  • PG:

    You have got to shorn yourself of the habit of disregarding a story or elements of a story because you find a bit of minutia iffy or unsubstantiated.

    No boxes on the beaches of Oregon?

    Does that eliminate the story told by the Denmark boys? Does it make it false or irrelevant?

    Forget about the boxes.

    They are an unimportant ingredient.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, February 21, 2012  

  • Found it - it was in Flying Saucer Review (Vol 13 N 5; 1967) and right at the back. The incident is described as occurring on April 15 of the same year and originally appeared in a Danish newspaper called Holbæk Amts Venstreblad.

    It’s a colourful account that includes features of other reported encounters like breathing apparatus, the waving and short stature of the occupants. There was even a debris sample taken for analysis (uniquely constituted and included lime and ‘inorganic coal’). For many reasons, this kind of experience would usually fascinate me. The reason it didn’t, aside from the extensive details observed,was due to a couple of comments by the Editor, Charles Bowen.

    FSR editors tended to take a neutral view that allowed for some pretty dubious content and rarely published doubts. In these notes, Bowen didn’t raise doubts as such – he regretted that the ages of the boys were missing and that the reported ‘technical institute’ was not named.

    This put me in the view of the account being one of those where it was either anomalous (Papua New Guinea-esque) or a hoax by the press reporter or kids. Either/Or. At times there seems to be two symbiotic elements in play with all of this. We have the strange incidents and then we have the ‘cottage-industry’ of myth and folklore generators that feed off and mimic the other. They somehow validate their purported reality whilst ever being on the edge of collapse through exposure of hoaxing.

    A typical example of the myth-making is also in the FSR magazine. Olavo-Fontes writes an article about humanoids performing surgery on a girl and saving her life. The provenance? An anonymous letter from a Brazilian barrio! Who wrote it? Why did Olavo-Fontes write about it? Why would FSR publish it?

    We’re looking for ‘black swans’ in a badling of funny-shaped ducks…sigh…

    By Blogger Kandinsky, at Wednesday, February 22, 2012  

  • These two boys would be alive today. Where are they and will they come forward to confirm their story, or will they admit it was all in their imagination?

    Why has not any investigator located these two boys?

    By Blogger cda, at Wednesday, February 22, 2012  

  • Thanks, awfully much, Kandinsky.

    Your explication of the process -- the elaboration of a story that was or wasn't -- is enlightening, as usual.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, February 22, 2012  

  • Kandinsky:

    Olavo Fontes also heavily promoted the famous Trindade Island case and the Fort Itaipu 'radiation burns' case just before. In the Fort Itaipu affair his informants were anonymous and the two soldiers, who allegedly served time in hospital, were never identified.

    Had he lived, I wonder how he would have regarded the modern abduction phenomenon.

    By Blogger cda, at Wednesday, February 22, 2012  

  • I think the Dannish case mentioned is this one:

    (132) 18 January 1967 – Sjaellands Odde
    16:40. Two schoolboys named Tage (9 years) and Jesper (7 years) were playing in front of a large haystack. As it got dark they decided to return home. One of them looked up and noticed a dark grey object in the sky. He thought it was a waterspout and ran home. The other boy was less frightened and he hid in a ditch, from where he continued to observe the object. The boy said that he saw the object descend, and then it quickly slowed down, as three "legs" were lowered through the bottom of it. It looked very much as if it was going to land. When the object was about three feet above the ground the legs were pulled up again and it speeded away. The object continued towards the Kattegat (the sea) at a low altitude and when it was over the shore it released what looked like "boxes". The object then made a turn over the sea and a big box, or hamper, was lowered from the craft. It seemed to be suspended from a sort of rope or cable as thick as an arm. Judging from its movements the cable was flexible. Then eight "persons" came out through a hole in the flying object and climbed down the cable into the box. The boy thought that they were carrying "binoculars or cameras". Four of the beings waved their hands and smiled at the boy. The boy said that they did not wave their hands in the usual way, but held their palms vertically and made quick horizontal movements. As the object disappeared the boy heard a sound which he compared to the soft humming from a battery tape recorder. The boy described the eight persons as being quite small. One of them wore a blue suit and the others wore striped ones. They all wore striped caps. Except from the person in blue, they all had containers on their backs from which tubes led to their mouths. On their shoulders they had what looked like electric torches, with lights at both ends.
    The sighting came to light when the boys' mother got in touch with the Rude Skov satellite tracking station, which referrred her to the central report office of Scandinavian UFO Information. This organisation sent SUFOIs former chairman, Mr. Erling Jensen, to Sjaellands Odde to interview the boys. His report was published in the magazine of the organisation UFO-NYT.
    The FSR clipping mentions a piece of a lump of strange material found on the shore sent to a technological institute for examination. The report was to the effect that never before had the analytical chemists come across the constituent elements mixed in such a fashion; these include ime and inorganic coal.

    Sources: Ole Henningsen, EuroUFONet 13/5/06  Holbaek Amts Venstreblad, April 15th, 1967. Credit: Report from Denmark, Vol. 1, No. 3, published by NORREBRO UFO KREDS)
    “Landing reports”, MUFORG Bulletin June 1967  (Source: Holbak Amts Venstreblad, May 11th, 1967. Credit: Report from Denmark, Vol. 1, No. 3, published by NORREBRO UFO KREDS)
    “Boy reports saucer and occupants”, FSR 13:5, p. 32

    By Blogger DEII 99, at Wednesday, February 22, 2012  

  • Thanks DEII99...

    That's the case and it, at least, provides the ages of the boys, ages which preclude, in my way of thinking, an elaborate hoax or story-telling.

    It's an interesting event, one of several that UFO mavens have noted but dismissed after a short while, rather than following up.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, February 22, 2012  

  • @ CDA - Thanks for that, I didn't realise the Fort Itaipu account was that vague in provenance. The myth-making meme/gene seems present in those cases.

    @ DEII99 - That's useful information. I was considering e-mailing Mr Henningsen to see what he thought or knew about this case. He was very helpful last year when I was looking for a source for one of the Operation Mainbrace sightings. The SUFOI newsletter is usually a good read although I have to rely on Google translate to understand it.

    Rich, I've sent an e-mail so maybe Mr Henningsen will pop by and post his thoughts.

    By Blogger Kandinsky, at Wednesday, February 22, 2012  

  • Thanks, Kandinsky...

    You are a valuable resource and contact for us and others.

    It's a real pleasure to have you in our circle.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, February 22, 2012  

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