UFO Conjectures

Wednesday, March 07, 2012

The Ancient Astronaut Flaw and it’s not minor!

While I’m rather sympathetic to Ancient Astronaut theories, in their various incarnations, the hypotheses fail in one major regard…

If extraterrestrial travelers landed on Earth, millennia ago, and worked with humankind to create civilization(s) or societies and their cultural artifacts, those extraterrestrial visitors failed miserably.

No human society, alleged to have been intruded upon by galactic beings, has survived to show the competence of the advanced interplanetary “helpers.”

The Neolithics, whose paintings we’ve inserted here, didn’t last as a human outcrop. Sumerian and Egyptian cultures were gone shortly, in the context of the ages of mankind, after they were established.

Incan, Mayan, Olmec cultures are gone and they went rather fast in the scale of civilization measurement.

The Australian aborigines didn’t fare well, nor the Easter Islanders, and the Inuit’s as well.

The Dogons went nowhere, nor did the Celts or the Oriental cultures: India, China, Japan.

So what was the value provided by the Ancient Astronaut horde?

The constructions they supposedly helped with have been demolished or lie in ruins.

The “laws” they instilled – Hammurabi’s code, for example and the Ten Commandments – have been eschewed by most of mankind, in practical application.

And the Hebrews (Jews) have not fared well at all; if Yahweh was a space being who, with his minions, selected them as His chosen, they were abandoned completely.

Just as the Amerindians were deposed, and the Jews, or Dravidians, the Jains, and any other culture you can muster, the Ancient Astronauts brought nothing of permanence to Earth’s creatures, human and otherwise.

Is such failure a sign of an advanced extraterrestrial race?

The AA crowd has got to re-evaluate its criteria for space visitations, just as ufologists have to consider the non-altruistic visitations of modern UFO ETs.

Space visitors, with benefits, are pie-in-the-sky creatures -- literally, it seems….



  • Depends on what "failed miserably" means. The ETs did not come here to help us, if they came at all. They just visited us, nothing more. Perhaps they did build some of our ancient structures, but that does not mean any earthlings were about at the time, at least not in that vicinity.

    Perhaps they descended to earth, built the structures in a few days and departed as mysteriously as they came, without ever contacting us. Hence we knew nothing about it at all, due to being so 'primitive' at the time.

    By the time we humans discovered it, it was all history!

    Never mind Von Daniken. We don't need him or his ideas. Nor Graham Hancock and his ilk either.

    But it still could have happened, in a distant, very distant, timescale, say 50 to 100 thousand years ago.

    By Blogger cda, at Wednesday, March 07, 2012  

  • Your view, CDA, is not outrageous.

    But I'm tackling the AA theory, which posits that AAs came and worked with humans.

    If that's their premise, it's flawed by the results we have.

    Could such advanced creatures be so inept?


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, March 07, 2012  

  • Maybe it's an example of the observer effect - by violating the prime directive, the aliens unintentionally had a deleterious effect on the culture. (They gave them fish instead of teaching them how to fish - or better yet, allowing them to learn to fish on their own.)

    Maybe it's the societies they DIDN'T interact with that ended up flourishing!

    By Blogger Matt G. (NYC), at Wednesday, March 07, 2012  

  • If they came at all (still unproven) it likely would have been to exploit terrestrial resources of some kind.

    As during the colonial movement of the 19th century, they probably lived according to their prevailing home culture and in the style to which they were accustomed. They used the “primitive” natives to exploit the resources they came for and to wait upon them. The natives were basically treated as smart draft animals and pets.

    Of course, bits and pieces of non-native culture were absorbed by the natives from daily interaction. More advanced skills and technologies were sometimes taught so the natives could produce more for their colonial masters. But it was never the goal or intent of the colonists (except for the missionaries) to enlighten or teach.

    So I submit, if they came once or even if they came intermittently only to completely withdraw again each time, this might be one model for their interactions with humans. It would help explain why after they withdrew, for whatever unfathomable reasons, their lasting impact on human culture was negligible. Unlike the former terrestrial colonial empires created by nations and cultures still interacting with their former colonists today, the aliens retreated across space (and/or time) and ceased being an influence on human affairs.

    By Blogger purrlgurrl, at Wednesday, March 07, 2012  

  • The inconsistency seems to me to be in that in ancient times, the visits were quite open and unambiguous whereas in contemporary times we have just the opposite. It's a problem, no question about it.

    By Blogger Frank Stalter, at Wednesday, March 07, 2012  

  • Frank...

    There were no visits....or the visits were by incompetent outsiders, intrinsic to Earth a la Mac Tonnies crypto-terrestrials or deranged divinities; not advanced alien extraterrestrials.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, March 07, 2012  

  • Why do you insist the visitors were incompetent? You have no way of judging their standards, none at all. What action did they perform (or not perform) that proves their incompetence?

    Or are you saying that if the visitors were a really advanced race, both technically and morally, our world would be a far better place than it is now?

    Let's face it, we all love to assume that any alien race that takes the trouble to visit our planet, whether now or in the distant past, must be vastly morally superior and technically advanced than us. Yes the latter is true, but the former? Think of all the war, famine and strife probably going on this very moment on other worlds. Can you prove it is not? Maybe we are the 'peaceful' ones in comparison! I know it's hard to believe but can you prove otherwise?

    But whether warlike or not, this would not make them an incompetent
    race in any event.

    By Blogger cda, at Thursday, March 08, 2012  

  • As loath as I am to disagree with you CDA, the evidence is palpable.

    Using the yardsticks of common sense and moral imperatives, any sane or intelligent person would agree that any intrusion, ET, divine, or otherwise, has been inept, incompetent, or even evil.

    You're well read. You know this, surely.

    I think you, like me, are just being provocative.

    You need some mental excitement today?


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, March 08, 2012  

  • What if they came here purely to destroy the civilizations they interacted with. To push back the human race and slow their progress?

    By Blogger osteogenesis, at Thursday, March 08, 2012  

  • Osteo...

    Not an impossible scenario, but the effort(s) by "intruders" -- carpetbaggers, as it were -- were not intrinsically base just inept.

    The "help" they provided was ineffective, and impermanent.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, March 08, 2012  

  • A medieval story goes: a lowly novice's praying when the Virgin Mary appears before him.

    At exactly the same moment the bell for the lowliest job in the monastery (feeding the poor) goes.

    But when he gets back Mary's still there. "It's because you're capable of putting the hunger of others before your own 'hunger' that I appeared to you in the first place" she explains.

    My point being you may have things back to front.

    The history of 'extraterrestial visitations' (whether you style them aliens ultraterrestials pan-dimensionals pan-temporals electromagnetics jinn angels - WHATEVER!) is the history of individuals capable of turning their backs on their 'normal' beliefs (styled literally & figuratively as entering the wilderness).

    [Of course the very word MAD means changed though whether it means changed ANEW or changed BACK...].

    For instance here's Gilgamesh on the 'glory' of Uruk [from Werewolves Berserkers (& The End Of The World As We Know It)] “In my city people are dying and hearts are full of distress. People are lost - that fills me with wretched dismay. I crane my neck over the city wall: corpses in the water make the river almost overflow. That is what I see. That will happen to me too - that is the way things go” as a result of which he encounters Siduri (the barmaid between the worlds) who tells him the great secret quite nakedly: the secret to becoming like the Gods is 'Being IN Life - Not OF It' or as Jesus put it 'using your interpretative architecture (eg your eyes and ears) differently from normally and aboveall THINKing AGAIN/changing your mind' (or in the technical language of the day 'RePENTing').

    Even Malcom X only started seeing 'things' when he became capable of turning his back on criminality (even as he turned his back on racial separation after his visit to Mecca).

    Civilizations I suggest emerge from groups of others cherrypicking/reinterpreting what they like from whatever such outstandingly 'inspired' and talented individuals bring back from their trip up the mountain.

    Cults emerge from less talented individuals pretty much starting the watering down themselves.

    And I'm going to suggest it pretty much has to be that way because in isolation we become the human equivalent of stem cells whereas the larger the group the more difficult it becomes to coax us to change or allow others to change.

    [So it'd take something really mindblowing - something really MAD - to change a whole planet...].

    The downside of course is while stem cells can become any other kind of cell they can also become destructively inappropriate or even cancerous.

    By Blogger alanborky, at Thursday, March 08, 2012  

  • Alan...

    I had a discussion along your lines earlier today with Anthony Bragalia.

    And while the kinds of epiphanies you cite certainly took place and take place still, the scenarios I'm confronting, hypothetically, involve actual, physical beings, present in reality, interacting with humans but not human.

    Yes, there is a reality outside of us -- the REAL reality suggested by Plato, and others.

    That reality has nothing to do, in my observation here (above), or with what AA theorists are suggesting.

    My point, again, is that if -- IF extraterrestrial beings came to Earth in its earlier periods, those beings didn't provide a worthwhile or long-lasting legacy.

    Their impact was nil...not necessarily detrimental, just zilch, over the long haul.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, March 08, 2012  

  • If ancient aliens visited our planet,they did not come to benefit mankind but to use them to mine Earth's resources. Like any primative people would, when confronted with a more advanced race, early man worshiped and tried to emulate the visitors, who I'm sure, used it to their advantage. Once they no longer needed whatever they came for, they left and left ancient humans to fend for themselves. Thus the legend of gods and fantastic cities that we read in our myths.

    By Blogger deltadawn, at Monday, March 12, 2012  

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