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Wednesday, March 28, 2012

From our Friend Bruce Duensing...Another Roswell?


Bruce Duensing thinks this posting at The Daily Grail might interest some of our visitors/readers here:

A Second Roswell?

We thank Bruce for the heads-up and the always interesting site: The Daily Grail.

12 Comments:

  • This story doesn't really wash, does it?

    RG should have asked Irwin Fortman if he had read "The Roswell Incident" or had seen any of the follow-ups, or even seen or heard of MJ-12, since then. Also, why suddenly come out with it to a stranger 40+ years later?
    Also, it was only the first of the 4 phone calls that preceded the 'Unsolved Mysteries' program (seen by Fortman). The other 3 came afterwards.

    We would need to know a lot about Fortman's background, his military career, his psychological makeup, his UFO readings/interests, and so on. It sounds very much as though he is merely repeating the 'warnings and threats' line that is standard fare in the Roswell tale.

    Also, it is simply far too much to believe another Roswell took place at the same AF base within 5 or 6 months.

    Or (perish the thought!) is he confusing it with The Plains of San Augustin?

    Further thought: Presumably RG confided in the nephew his interest in UFOs, and maybe Roswell also, during their stay at this Buddhist monastery, else why would this nephew suddenly phone him months later to mention his uncle's experience at all? I assume the uncle felt free to speak out after 40 years, after he had heard about Marcel and others deciding to speak out about Roswell.

    That is my 'take'. What is yours?

    By Blogger cda, at Wednesday, March 28, 2012  

  • CDA:

    This is another freaky side-bar to Roswell and UFOs generally.

    There is no way that one can separate the wheat from the chaff, at this stage of the phenomenon, and by phenomenon, I'm including all the sociological elements.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, March 28, 2012  

  • Rich & The Gang,

    The validity of Fortman's declaration aside, his memory is flawed, as he was at RAAF in June & July of '47.

    Cheers,
    Frank

    By Blogger Frank Warren, at Thursday, March 29, 2012  

  • Thanks Frank, for the clarification.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, March 29, 2012  

  • Rich,

    Your welcome.

    To further clarify:

    RG wrote - But throughout our four conversations he was adamant about the fact that he shipped in to the base after July of 1947, something especially apparent in his recollections of stories he heard from other servicemen about the earlier incident.

    The records indicate he first arrived at RAAF on 1 July 46, not "47."

    Cheers,
    Frank

    By Blogger Frank Warren, at Thursday, March 29, 2012  

  • Frank is correct. We have checked and Irwin "Tiny" Fortman was there in July of '47. Fortman's recollection is for some reason flawed.

    The MP3 that I created from the aging tape cassettes of the interview makes it clear that Fortman was clear-headed, etc. And he was only in his 50s or 60s at the time of the interview...

    It is a curious thing.

    AJB

    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Thursday, March 29, 2012  

  • As Frank points out, Fortman was indeed there in July of 1947 and had arrived the year before.

    As I converted the tape cassette to MP3, I of course have heard the actual interview of Fortman by RG. Fortman was then only in his 50s or 60s- and very clear headed and articulate. I concede that he is mistaken on the date...it is curious.

    But then again, everything about Roswell is "curious."

    AJB

    By Blogger Anthony Bragalia, at Thursday, March 29, 2012  

  • Guys,

    Ooops! In my hast I misread the file. Tiny was at Lowry Field, Colorado in July '46; he arrived in Roswell December '46.

    Cheers,
    Frank

    P.S. This does not negate the "possible" validity of Fortman's declaration.

    By Blogger Frank Warren, at Thursday, March 29, 2012  

  • Frank...

    You know that haste makes waste.

    Nonetheless, thanks for the corrective.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, March 29, 2012  

  • Rich,

    In my defense, the other 9 things I was doing at the time, I got right! :>))

    When I first read RG's article, Fortman's name rang a bell . . . it turns out I did FOIA on his military records back in 2003.

    Cheers,
    Frank

    By Blogger Frank Warren, at Thursday, March 29, 2012  

  • The important thing is that you caught it, Frank.

    Me? I would have missed such a blunder, unless someone caught it for me.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, March 29, 2012  

  • I'd say it is a clear case of someone getting his dates wrong, then repeating what had read and heard about Roswell during the 1980s, NOT what he actually experienced during the late 40s, which was probably nothing at all.

    Just another anecdotal tale about a 'curious' case, with this time the added twist of the witness assuming it was a completely separate case a few months afterwards!

    And after these two truly amazing happenings at one AF base, to think that the base closed in 1967 without any kind of plaque being put up to commemorate these astonishing events.

    By Blogger cda, at Friday, March 30, 2012  

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