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Wednesday, May 09, 2012

A.D. After Disclosure -- an unkind review


Richard Dolan’s and Bryce Zabel’s new book, pictured above, is a cornucopia of information for those of you who believe that extraterrestrial beings have crashed or visited the Earth and the U.S. government has been, not only sitting on that reality, but covering it up, even before Roswell.

The Dolan/Zabel book is lauded (on its cover) by many of ufology’s ET proponents.

The 335 page book is replete with every UFO conspiracy theory extant and then some.

MJ-12 is presented and accepted as authentic, so you get the gist of what the book entails.

Although I scanned the book, the Disclosure idea is repellent to me at a gut level.

And while the whole disclosure/ET panoply is presented with Rich Dolan’s usual élan, I just couldn’t stomach the premise or conclusions – that alien beings have been here and used or exploited by the United States government, leading to a co-operation between them and us.

Dolan and Zabel call their extraterrestrials The Others, which is a nice but loony rubric.

And the authors throw in a lot of contemporary goodies to ruminate upon: economics, political strife, comic books, Ronald McDonald, et cetera, et cetera.

If you’re a ET proponent, this book is for you. If you’re a sane, intellectual UFO hobbyist, the book will give you dyspepsia or worse.

It’s published by Career Press, Inc, {Pompton Plains, NJ] and can be located online at careerpress.com and newpagebooks.com.

It sells for $16.99 and can be found at the usual book haunts: Amazon.com, Barnes and Noble, Powell’s and other book venues.

It’s not my cup o’ tea but you ET believers will love it.

Dolan and Zabel give you everything ET and conspiratorial -- everything!

RR

21 Comments:

  • Forgive my ignorance but who is Ronald McDonald? Is he (possibly) the key to solving the whole UFO mystery for you guys?

    Might he be of help to the Euromasters in this part of the world in finally solving the Euro crisis?

    PS:
    It is time there were a few saucer crashes in Greece or Spain. Might finally shake them up a bit!

    By Blogger cda, at Wednesday, May 09, 2012  

  • CDA:

    Ronald McD is the key to the UFO mystery....a government insider I think.

    Greece is verboten for UFO visitors. The economy is too dicey.

    Spain, however, where Jose Caravaca resides, would be a good place for a UFO crash....there are some real UFO investigators there.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, May 09, 2012  

  • Historically, this book is one of the greatest dead shots Dolan could self inflict into his own foot, in one sure shot,instantly transitioning his status from a compiler of documents lauded by Vallee to a also ran comic book author. The most irksome aspect of this folly is it's masking itself as a well considered study, as if he cashed in all of his chips on a porcelain monkey. Like Roswell, this is Exhibit B in the implosion of cheese masked as fact.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, May 09, 2012  

  • Thanks.

    Your review just saved me 17 bucks and shipping. If only other writing on the UFO topic could be so valuable.

    I feel like I owe you a beer. Since I doubt you will ever collect, I really had a heck of a good day here. The offer stands...

    By Anonymous Tyler Kokjohn, at Wednesday, May 09, 2012  

  • Tyler...

    At some point I'll collect on that beer....you can count on it.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, May 09, 2012  

  • Never really known what to make of Dolan. I really enjoyed both his UFO and the National Security State books, finding them invaluable reference/overview books when I was getting into the subject, while taking his conclusions with a fairly large grain of salt. He's obviously a pretty bright guy, but it seems to me that either a) he has a pathological need to believe UFO/ government cover-up conspiracy theories, or b) he is canny enough to realize that this is the narrative that sells in the UFO world.

    By Blogger Tristan Eldritch, at Wednesday, May 09, 2012  

  • Tristan:

    Dolan's book with Zabel is fraught with details and information that will thrill the conspiracy buffs and ET believers.

    It has a lot of material that touches on the UFO phenomenon which one might find important, if they can extract it from the government-knows-all litany.

    Dolan and Zabel may know what they're writing about, but I'm not buying it.

    It's too dark and spoungy for my tastes.

    If the government is about to disclose an alien existence, the set-up seems out of tune with what's going on inside the military establishment: winding down Afghanistan, chaperoning the Secret Service, holding off Iran and North Korea, not to mention Al Qaeda.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, May 09, 2012  

  • > proponent...hobbyist

    Interesting use of terms: the first as somewhat pejorative; the second as neutral, requiring qualifiers.

    It's interesting that there are very few such terms that UFO fans don't find to be insulting.

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Thursday, May 10, 2012  

  • I knew Dolan was bad, I didn't know he was that bad. MJ-12 Yikes! Dolan is now into Steven Greer and Stanton Friedman territory, full-on UFO lobotomy from which nobody can ever return.

    Duensing makes reference (above) to the fact that Vallee once wrote a foreword to a Dolan book. Even then I thought it was a mistake of Vallee to do so, Dolan was already on paranoid and derivative ET territory, so why give the guy credibility and standing? And over time it usually gets worse. Has it ever done so in Dolan's case. Sheesh.

    Thanks for keeping us informed though Rich because I swear I can't be bothered any more to wade into that swamp myself. You do the dirty work so the rest of us don't have to!

    By Blogger Lawrence, at Thursday, May 10, 2012  

  • Lawrence:

    I am "friends" -- for now -- with Rich Dolan (at Facebook) but his latest salvo in the book is too far out there and favorable to the ET believers that it was a turn off for me.

    The PR firm that sends me such works for review wasn't particularly happy with my (non)review.

    But again, if some who are immersed in the conspiracy side of the UFO story want a one-source place for that kind of goofy rumination, this is the book for them.

    Dolan and Zabel have gathered all the crazy detritus in their pages.

    The fellows muster circumstantial evidence for their hypothesis, but it is at the fringe of the phenomenon.

    The fringe? Yes.

    UFOs are something more than government machinations but something less than what the book implies: a vanguard of alien visitors which the U.S. (and other) government(s) have known about for some time, and have been working with -- for nefarious and/or beneficial human ends.

    The authors provide a theological slant to their politically attuned premise, which is akin to Christianity's "Second Coming."

    It's too much for me, but the Friedman camp has to love the book.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, May 10, 2012  

  • > Dolan and Zabel have gathered all the crazy detritus in their pages.

    Let's hope Zabel doesn't make his Barney and Betty Hill movie.

    By Blogger Terry the Censor, at Thursday, May 10, 2012  

  • Ah, Terry....

    The guys present a well-materialed tale and book.

    But one has to accept the premise: aliens have visited and/or crashed, and the U.S. government knows this and has kept it secret; but will disclose when the time is right.

    Dolan and Zabel, like Rudiak, and a few others, are creative, One has to give them that.

    But, for me, it's just a bit too much....and when credence is given to MJ-12, well, that's it.

    (Yes, I suspect that there was or is a group in the military or government privy to things the rest are not privy to, but it's not MJ-12.)

    The fictional-like aspects of A.D. can't be ignored, but a Betty/Barney Hill tale with that same patina would be interesting; as science fiction.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, May 10, 2012  

  • Good review!

    Personally, I'm surprised and disappointed Dolan took the Kevin Randle route on Roswell.

    ~ Susan

    By Blogger Brownie, at Saturday, May 12, 2012  

  • I feel the same Susan....

    Disappointing, indeed.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, May 13, 2012  

  • Thanks. Oddly, I really enjoyed Men In Black. It was a brilliant comedic film with sharp jabs at the credulous, still, I've seen a couple of aerial things I can't explain, yet.

    I have irreconcilable differences with the 'sweetness and light" people and I don't think the US government nor a bunch of dead functionaries from my childhood years could have contained an encounter with real EXTRA-TERRESTRIALS, except, maybe, in covering up the 1952 DC flap [?] maybe..

    I'm convinced Dwight Eisenhower never laid eyes on an alien nor on a human who had laid eyes on a alien, if he had he would have told us.

    General Eisenhower was a man who could keep a secret, but didn't believe that a peacetime government had that right.

    He also believed in the American people and in truth from the government as a basic right and a necessity for democratic government. Not, sadly, something his vp agreed with.

    I think everybody needs to kiss off the "disclosure" idea, I don't see that "disclosure" happening. And, I think we need to reevaluate our lack of physical evidence in terms of simply not being able, yet, to keep up with whatever they might be.

    As I've written before, a scope-dope tracking air traffic is only as good as the frequency of the sweeps, if the craft - even if reflective - are fast enough, we won't detect them in any meaningful way.

    I realize that the technology involved in RADAR tracking is far beyond the technology we had when I was staring at a PPI scope, after that I spent some time working on main-frame computers at Hanford, WA, and I can see a lot of ways it might have gone.

    I can't get excited about quasi-supernatural beings and inter-dimensional craft, if that's what they are, we won't get it until they're ready for us to find them.

    I have the feeling that we've wrung dry the 20th century as far as making sense from the evidence is concerned, and the books now all seem to get just a bit farther from objectivity and reality as the years drift along.

    It's difficult to accept the testimony of the playground friend of the grandchild of the purported witness who was born a generation after the event being researched...

    Or maybe it's just that I'm getting old. In 1960 I could be really excited about Carlos Allende and a bunch of Deros, not to mention the Philadelphia Experiment.

    It's harder now, perhaps it's "familiarity breeds contempt" at work, but I think it's just that we rehash, masticate & regurgitate all the same stuff ad infinitum. We still aren't quick enough to catch them, we still have people who try to gain respect (or cash) by claiming the unbelievable.

    It's hard to get excited about another photograph of a nebulous light of non-descript hue bouncing around in the blackness. Adding "Wow, look at it." comments doesn't help a lot.

    And, the worst of it is that those who see the stuff have to keep trying, that bouncing stupid light that's not in the airport flight path and does stuff that the general aviation flights don't do and you're sure isn't the channel 3 news chopper, it's something... we just don't know what, and you don't know what it's going to do until it just stops, disappears.

    That's the real frustration, more stupid meaningless lights that are where there shouldn't be lights when there shouldn't be lights. And we have to watch, hoping that this time it will mean something we can understand.

    Once, many years ago, I almost killed my wife and kids and myself, something suddenly lit up off to my left above the middle of the Willamette River in the blackness of a rainy night. We were driving north on McLoughlin Blvd in SE Portland on the viaduct.
    It was the Goodyear Blimp turning on it's new signboard.

    Wow, adrenalin overdose, major shakes - fortunately I missed the curbs and the other cars.

    By Blogger Uncle Don, at Sunday, May 13, 2012  

  • A book created for a pre-built audience of true believers and regular visitors to the Dolan-Zabel blog -- it likely will bring in revenue from exactly where they expected to find it. That's its only purpose.

    By Blogger purrlgurrl, at Sunday, May 13, 2012  

  • Although we tried awfully hard to be clear, in an environment where people are dissing a book they haven't read based on the comments of one person who didn't like it, I'm not sure how to continue.

    What I would simply say is this: the point of the book was not to write another "prove UFOs are real" book but a book that simply tried to look at how a revelation of UFO reality might play out in our current political, social and economic system.

    On that level, we certainly did the best we could do. I'm proud of the book but I'm not crazy. I realize there is so much more that we don't know than what we do know on this subject.

    To set the record straight, however, we do not uncritically accept Majestic, we simply say that somebody on the inside must have formed a group to study this. We use Majestic but we also, more accurately, discuss them as the Breakaway Group (actual name unknown). We also do not say these visitors are definitively ET, therefore, we called them The Others.

    The idea was to start a discussion. I'm disappointed that the discussion has to be so negative about personalities and motives and not on the actual content of the book itself.

    Still, I pay attention to all feedback, including this and will strive to be better for it in future endeavors.

    Best regards,

    BZ

    By Anonymous Bryce Zabel, at Wednesday, May 16, 2012  

  • Bryce:

    Your book is grist for those who hope that the government will disclose, eventually.

    It's well written, that's obvious.

    For some of us, it stretches credulity, but is an hypothesis that can't be dismissed out of hand.

    That's why I took it upon myself to give it a venue here.

    I wish you and Richard the best, and one day we'll see how right you fellows have been, perhaps.

    You have fans, that's for sure.

    Thanks for your civil comments.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, May 16, 2012  

  • We just want people who see UFO/ET reality to read it as a spirited report, like the Rand Corporation with style.

    We want people who haven't made up their minds, or have made them up in another direction, to be able to read it as a fascinating "What If?"

    Appreciate your discussion here and you're welcome to explore those ideas and link to your material on the A.D. Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/AfterDisclosure

    By Anonymous Bryce Zabel, at Thursday, May 17, 2012  

  • Thanks Bryce...

    We have a rather skeptical but intelligent group of visitors here.

    I hope they take you up on your offer.

    Your contentions and Richard's deserve a sensible civilized debate.

    The book is doing well I hear, despite a few "reserved" reviews.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Thursday, May 17, 2012  

  • Guys, I was looking for support for my own somewhat negative review of Dolan and Zabel's After Disclosure Book. I am happy I found it on your site.

    Like you, I take umbrage with the uncritical use of disclsoure cult buzzwords like 'False Flag' and 'Free Energy'.

    Here's my take on it, if you are interested:

    http://aftercontact.org/2012/07/review-of-a-d-after-disclosure/

    By Anonymous Kris, at Monday, July 09, 2012  

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