UFO Conjecture(s)

Sunday, May 13, 2012

Roswell’s “Flying Disk”?

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Two asides in a New Yorker article [5/14/2012, Here’s Looking at You by Nick Paumgarten, Page 48] allows for this conjecture perhaps…

“Archytas of Tarentum reputedly designed a steam powered mechanical pigeon in the fourth century B.C….

The actor Reginald Denny, a First World War ace and model-plane enthusiast, designed remote-piloted target drones for the United States Army in anticipation of the Second World War (he eventually sold the business to Northrop)…”
What if one of Denny’s “secret” remote flying drones (U.A.V.), being tested by the Army near Roswell, in 1947 crashed and was what Mac Brazel came across, which caused the Haut release of a “flying disk” capture?

The “drone” would have had secret or top secret classification, would it not, to keep the Russians from getting their hands on the thing?

And the Army would have gone out of its way to cover-up the details and the debris from the drone’s crash, wouldn’t it?

Roswell’s “Dream Team” might do well to check out the Denny drone creations and the testing protocols in place in the 1947 time-frame.

It’s an item worthy of investigation, isn’t it?



  • We have had Nick Redfern's Horten flying wing with handicapped Jap prisoners. Then we had that Auschwitz doctor Josef Mengele with his 'victims'. Now you are proposing a top secret drone plane. Somewhere in between we had John Keel's fugo balloons.

    Was it Alice (in Wonderland) who said things "get curiouser and curiouser"?

    No wonder NM is known as "The Land of Enchantment".

    By Blogger cda, at Sunday, May 13, 2012  

  • Enchantment sums it up nicely CDA...


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Sunday, May 13, 2012  

  • ....though I lean towards the Frank John Reid 'Japanese Balloon Bomb' theory, I must say I am intrigued by this new approach....

    By Blogger Kurt Peters, at Sunday, May 13, 2012  

  • Was that drone that supposedly crashed in Roswell still top secret in 1994 when Mogul explanation was given? Or maybe it was more secret than Mogul and therefore could not have been disclosed? Unlikely.

    Konrad from Poland

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Monday, May 14, 2012  

  • Variation 5.2

    It is unlikely that each branch of the military services knew what the other was up to in terms of black box projects. While we have theories such as this and the others CDA pointed out, one can imagine the humiliation and chagrin at the Roswell base if they jumped the gun as well as the shark and had to reverse their own highly premature Cold War freak out. Considering their assigned task, this would have been more than awful, What kind of backwater idiots are running the show, charged with nuclear weapons. We pause for a moment to let this sense of "oh crap" sink in as they must have felt it.
    Especially the communications officer who was given a dose of forced humility in having to pose with what was essentially a pile of rubbish physically and metaphorically.
    Sometimes, this is a impossible besmirching that cannot abide, and so to save face, the officer who was forced to pose ( after safely retiring) says, "No really, it was extraterrestrial. I was not wrong" and thus plants the seed of a wild goose chase. Its called a personal vested interest.
    Suddenly prosaic events take on a new light in this officers faux revelation, everyone wants to get on the bandwagon and those who do know full well enough time has elapsed where any old tale has a cache.
    I am the famous so and so who saw what not. I am a part of this story. Or, some half remembered incident that was prosaic is turned by memory into a vital "clue"
    And so it goes.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Monday, May 14, 2012  

  • BTW..
    If this was a very serious screw up with national egg placed on this post, do we think that no negative consequences were put in place as far as those involved in their service records as far as admonishments, etc? What of promotions after the fact? Did any one the post go up in the chain of command or were they simply "lucky" to keep the positions they held at the time?
    Not being a Roswell Pontiff, I never really thought about this aspect of it in detail. What do the service records tell us? Has any relation asked for a copy?

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Monday, May 14, 2012  

  • After reading this, I realize only I have actually studied the Roswell event:

    "Variation 5.2
    .....Especially the communications officer who was given a dose of forced humility in having to pose with what was essentially a pile of rubbish physically and metaphorically...."

    ....Marcel was NOT Haut, just as Duensing is NOT a competent Roswell evaluator..

    By Blogger Kurt Peters, at Monday, May 14, 2012  

  • Dear Kurt
    Marcel vs Haut is the essence of the demonstratively turgid and dry canal of endless parsing. I am glad I made the error. Thankfully I am not considered a certifiably competent Pontiff of Roswell detritus. I appreciate your compliment. The use of caps was a nice touch.

    What of the service records and any fallout therein?
    I noticed that question was bypassed quite blithely. BTW, how many of the hundreds of Japanese Balloon devices were mistaken as UFOs by the many who found them? One? Two? Twenty? Id like to hear more of this.

    A name screw up do to dotage and a lack of coffee does not take away the fog of feigned outrage in these turgid little constrictions of making a sows ear into a silk purse. I noticed your expertise was absent in addressing my question.
    If you are the only one who "seriously" "investigated" all the hot air trial balloons of innuendo, well, I say lovely. But that really says nothing doesn't it?

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Monday, May 14, 2012  

  • Further non competent thoughts..

    The scenario of my interchangable identity crisis fits both Haut and Marcel in terms of removing egg from both their faces in light of bending the truth to make themselves seem credible, ( was versus was not) when, in fact, just looking at what Marcel and Haut did say versus the actual record, Marcel in particular, more than bent the truth concerning his own service record. I think thats called puffing oneself up to make each appear larger than they really are, a bigger role..that serves to give them a faux credibility in their vested revisionism of what actually occurred which was a screw up.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Monday, May 14, 2012  

  • The more strained and bizarre Roswell conjectures become, the more plausible a crashed Mogul balloon appears to be as the source of the legend. The flying disk story is nothing more than a hasty, ill thought-out cover that had to be retracted because of all the potential grief it would cause. Unfortunately, the damage was already done and the badly-conceived fairy tale wasn't allowed to rest in peace. For 65 years fevered imaginations and desperate egos have been seduced by the shadows of bad fiction. Me? I now fully believe the USAF Mogul report.

    By Blogger purrlgurrl, at Monday, May 14, 2012  

  • You are not alone, PG...


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, May 14, 2012  

  • PG:

    Let us get practical and down to earth!

    The drone plane idea does not work. Reason? The said drone itself did not work, even though Hitler launched some on the UK in 1944. But the important point is that these were pilotless, known as 'doodlebugs', whereas we know the Roswell disc had pilots and occupants (maybe four or five in all).

    The true drones live on today, using sophisticated electronic power, in Afghanistan.

    By Blogger cda, at Monday, May 14, 2012  

  • Sorry, CDA...

    The drones created by Denny and developed by Northrop did work and were employed by the U.S. Army.

    I wanted Randle's "Dream Team" to deal with this, but if you persist I'll put the materials we've found online here, for your edification.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, May 14, 2012  

  • The main problem I have with this theory is it's airframe which I cannot imagine was either swept wing or saucer shaped, that would lead one to jump to characterizing it as a "saucer". It seems that the cited crash debris resembles more of a balloon carriage than a single wing prop job. Then again there are prop driven lighter than air craft with semi rigid airframes that could have been theoretically radio controlled, but I have never seen any developmental evidence of this. Rudder control etc would not have been that tough a assignment to fit. In the right weather conditions, I would think it would use less fuel that a heavier than air drone. It would have to fly above flak which at that time wouldn't have been to tough to do, considering the altitudes flown by weather balloons at that time. But again, the props would have been a dead give away. Unless, the props became separated from the wreckage by some distance. A heavier than aircraft seems unlikely to have much of a glide path but a air drone lighter than air would...

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Monday, May 14, 2012  

  • Bruce:

    That U.A.V.'s were created and used, prior to WW II and afterwards, leading to today's ubiquitous drones (the gist of the New Yorker piece) is something that should be investigated, and not just relevant to Roswell, but the whole UFO calvacade.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, May 14, 2012  

  • On lighter than air radio controlled drones..
    "The year of 1944 was somewhat uneventful. VJ-11 replaced VJ-8, and by September had a complement of 14 officers and 148 men. At this time, VJ-11 operated one JRF, 2 SNBs, one SNJ, eight TDC drones, 11 TD2C drones, and 70 S03Cs. Due to the unsatisfactory performance of the S03C Curtiss Seamew, the Navy converted many into radio-controlled drones, finding a use for the aircraft."

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Monday, May 14, 2012  

  • I agree that a drone is feasible as my brain is a bit spotty today, I should have mention that the aforementioned craft were lighter than air blimps that were radio controlled as early as the mentioned 1941 date. That could possibly account for severe weather downing one ( lightning ) as reported as well as it's natural resemblance to balloon debris, which would also possibly account for a large debris field. These had a terrible service record.One actually ran off with a crew..

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Monday, May 14, 2012  

  • Bruce...

    We have a posting on here about the possibility of a balloon mishap near Roswell in 1947.

    (I don't have time to provide the exact URL -- we're moving offices -- but the piece is a few years back.

    The NAVY was involved.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, May 14, 2012  

  • See what I mean about these things?

    They're like Red Kryptonite - every time you come into contact with some you never know what mutational effect it's going to have on you or indeed anyone else.

    And what's more they seem to retain the power to renew their mystifying affects not just for decades but for for hundreds if not thousands of years.

    Talk about your Apple(s) of Discord!

    ...though remember the ancients distinguished between two different types of Discord or Strife: the inducer of pointless mutually assured destructiveness and the opposer of resolving issues merely to settle back on our haunches.

    By Blogger alanborky, at Monday, May 14, 2012  

  • A thought that keeps rattling around my brain . . . absent all the time, resources, and words wasted on Roswell over the years, is it possible we might have developed some real answers to the UFO question by now?

    What is the siren call of Roswell? It certainly harkens us back to a 1940s-50s viewpoint on life, the world, the cosmos . . . just about everything in human experience. Is Roswell’s unalloyed devotion an overwhelming nostalgia for a simpler time when we thought we were on the brink of a limitless future and anything was possible, even spacemen crashing in the desert? Or, for some of us, is it really nostalgia for our own childhoods that took place in or around that simpler, happier (only in hindsight) era?

    Of course, events perceived through the mists of enough elapsed time have an aura of glamour and mystery that’s missing from those that took place, say, just last month. So Roswell has taken on the beguiling patina of origins, of folk tales about the ancestors. But have those who heeded its siren song turned themselves into unwitting agents of deception by misdirecting so much attention to an event of no intrinsic worth simply because they couldn't turn away from its deadly allure?

    Forgive my ramblings here . . . stuck home this evening with my thoughts and a fractured wrist.

    By Blogger purrlgurrl, at Tuesday, May 15, 2012  

  • ....the droning Duensing reminds me of the old B-29s warming up at Roswell Army Air Field.....

    ...unfortunately my old pal G.D. cannot remember this.....

    By Blogger Kurt Peters, at Tuesday, May 15, 2012  

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