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Friday, June 08, 2012
WOW!... Once more , Professor Tony Bragalia hits it OUT OF THE PARK!!!!!..AND....we all know NOW that he is the the LEADER/GENIUS/MOTHERTHING behind that sad-sack Randel's "book-sellin' " "Blog" ...
By Kurt Peters, at Saturday, June 09, 2012
Very interesting, but one thing puzzles me.Tony has reproduced the USAF letter to Moore, but not the document that Moore had in his possession that actually mentions the Blue Room.Surely that's an integral part of the story?Actually, if you look at the letter to Moore as it's reproduced, you'll see a bleed-through below it of another document with vertical lines on it.That document bleeding through is the Blue Room document Moore had (still has?). I know, because I have it too, and it's clearly the same one. I can tell easily from the vertical lines and also the handwritten things on the bottom left below the words "Freedom of Information Manager", even though it's a vague bleed through.Clearly, then, the letter to Moore that Tony reproduces was copied with the Blue Room document below it at the time, on what was presumably think paper, thus allowing for the bleed at the time of copying.Was there any specific reason this document wasn't included in the article? It would seem to me it's a major part of it all!
By Nick Redfern, at Saturday, June 09, 2012
Well as I always will, without the least amount of reserve, I applaud Anthony's amazing ability to stay focused and persevere in his mission. He's a real asset to the nuts and bolts camp.However, I would caution anyone pursuing the FOIA as a venue to uncover the "truth", that said truth can be as intentionally divisive as it is unintentionally revealing.Anthony refers to conclusive proof. Really? I would state for the unofficial record that Hynek and Vallee have most likely held and read a heck of a lot more of officialdom's secondary generated truth than most, and the remaining party would be the first to recon anything other than a resounding "I don't know" with respect for UFOs.Still in yet, I am stunned by Bragalia's unflinching efforts. I really am. MR. "Die Hard" Gibson, eat your heart out. Anthony's got you beat on your best day. Bravo!
By Jeff Davis, at Saturday, June 09, 2012
Thanks much for the kind comments.Nick, I will email you privately on that...AJB
By AJB, at Sunday, June 10, 2012
Prof. Bragalia:I can share some shocking Kenneth Arnold info with you if you'd like, sir.
By Kurt Peters, at Sunday, June 10, 2012
Hi Anthony and Nick,Care to share please! http://www.ufo.com.br/admin/arquivos/t141543856.jpgThanks,Dougie
By Chainsofthesea, at Monday, June 11, 2012
Hi Nick and Chain of the Sea-Nick, since Chain has published this, I will comment publicly rather than email you privately as mentioned in my prior post:I did not include the "bleed through" of the Blue Room document that shows through on the Air Force's reply to Moore's FOIA inquiry. Chain has now shown that "bleed through" as a full document.The document confirms that there was a Blue Room that existed from at least the mid '50s - and it is the same document to which Brian Parks refers in his 1991 FOIA to the Air Force.The document shows a title of BLUE ROOM (RADAR SCOPE.) Blue Room stored or in some way had association with a time lapse 35mm film (60 feet, about 50 seconds)that was taken of some sort of secret radar target tracking and plotting. The purpose of this is being investigated.I purposely did not include the document in the article (or in my FOIA inquiry or appeal) because I was going to keep this in my "back pocket" as "ammunition" in case by appeal fails. Then I would file a lawsuit whereby I would include the Radar Scope document and demonstrate that the Air Force did not conduct a real search relative to my FOIAs, as they would have found and presented to me the Radar Scope document - instead of lying to me that there are "no records."There is more on the reputed origin and meaning of the document that will be forthcoming.AJB
By AJB, at Monday, June 11, 2012
Wright Patterson, it is very evident that these items relate to extraterrestrial technology."A maybe or perhaps as always may be helpful than proverbially jumping the gun, again, although I enjoy your forays into theoretical potentialities involving the architecture of stitching factoids together. I suggest as a aid of perspective, your reading the late Senator Daniel Moynihan's terrific book "Secrecy" for an excellent documented look at what you are up against.I wish I had the wherewithal to unpack my library, as I recall the case of two Italian amateur radio enthusiasts who astonishingly managed to listen in ( way back when) to Russian space transmissions in the 60's and found that there were many deaths of Cosmonauts in space that were never acknowledged. The U.S would have a especially vital interest in such things by way of keeping up with the Jones, so I suspect your theoretical premise of extraterrestrial activities is correct but not in the case regarding non human beings. Why keep it a secret? Until orbital space is sufficiently commercialized, it is a territorial game likened to Well's "Wings Over The World" scenario as in "The Shape of Things to Come" Perhaps the military aspects pale in comparison to corporate control of our planets future. A true dilemma.
By Bruce Duensing, at Monday, June 11, 2012
Hi Tony,It was not my intention to reveal your hand, the document took about 20 seconds to find via a Google image search, you would hope that IF the blue room has very exotic material the keepers of the keys would strategise a way around your soon to be fobbed off FOIAs, with such information to hand. I am afraid your good work is easy to ignore because an ordinary citizen carries no weight, whilst it may not be possible to convince Bruce Duensing of your ETH, could you convince a Senator or a Member of Congress to pursue your cause? A political route might create more of a reaction than a legal one, perhaps even enough to test the ETH with a null hypothesis.Good luck,Dougie
Hi Bruce-I am a Moynihan fan and will check out his book "Secrecy."Hi Dougie-No problem. It is a publicly available document. Though the hand is revealed, it makes the point even more succinctly that the Air Force is lying when they say that they know nothing about it...AJB PS: Kurt- Feel free to share what you know about Ken Arnold...
Isn't the Blue Room just a reincarnation of Hangar 18? Surely we are not being asked to believe that there were TWO highly secret rooms for this wreckage and bodies scenario that AJB insists exist?As for pursuing it through a Senator or Congressman, is this not the very thing Goldwater tried in vain to do 50 years ago? And others since, via NICAP's efforts?The ETHers never learn, do they? NEVER.AJB is forever trying to trisect an angle. Good for you Tony. Keep at it long enough and you may one day succeed (!) (Failing which you may want to try to square the circle).
By cda, at Tuesday, June 12, 2012
Hi CDA-I am not entirely certain what amazes you about such ET debris, components and other artifacts (as well as other obtained physical evidence in the form of films, photos and radar returns)as well as bodies being stored or studied in more than one facility. To think that everything would be stored all at one time in one location shows that you do not understand basic security concepts.You never store your eggs all in one basket.AJB
By AJB, at Tuesday, June 12, 2012
CDA:As you'll know, I'm hardly the champion of crash-retrieval stories! But, I would have to say this: Everyone knows (or should!) that there is NO literal hangar at Wright-Pat with a number "18" painted on the side!H18 is basically a term created to collectvely describe various places (yes, occasionally hangars and also underground vaults) at Wright-Pat where alien artefacts are said to be held. Allegedly!So, if the stories are true, H18 is a term used by the UFO community to describe a place termed the Blue Room by the Intel community.
By Nick Redfern, at Tuesday, June 12, 2012
The question to ask, hypothetically, where would a hanger 18 be located? Patterson AFB or Wright AFB? Both were separate installations until the 1950s with Wright Field handling the test and evaluation aspects.I lived on Patterson portion of the base, 1967-1969, and recalled looking at topomaps showing Wright AFB (as still designated) still with a active runway. Now, both facilities are merged into one complex: Wright-Patterson AFB.Has Tony taken this into account? Was the old FTD located at Wright Field?Anyways, food for thought.
By Tim Hebert, at Tuesday, June 12, 2012
Hangar 18 obviously consisted of 3 huge rooms.Number one, the Blue Room, contained the actual wreckage & debris of the Roswell and Aztec ET craft.The White Room contained all the bodies, preserved in sophisticated electrical (hence white) deep freeze compartments.The Red Room contained all the documentation, many tons thereof, stamped ABOVE TOP SECRET in bright red security markings. Red, white and blue. What could be more obvious and patriotic than this?
CDA:Actually, it's called the Blue Room because it's where the ETs stash their porn.
Professor AJB,....I will try to find a back-channel to allow sharing what I know, sir.
By Kurt Peters, at Wednesday, June 13, 2012
I would like to make it clear that I am in no way associated with Mr. Bragalia, his research, his speculations, or his conclusions. Certain FOIA material was shared with researcher Grant Cameron for publication on "his" website Presidential UFO. Whatever anyone else did with that data from that point on was up to them.
By Brian Parks, at Thursday, June 14, 2012
When was the last time someone was out at the Wright Patterson AFB FOIA room?
By TSH, at Thursday, June 14, 2012
A website called "Presidential UFO"?The President does have an official plane: Air Force One. Does he also have a UFO, for use on special occasions?
By cda, at Saturday, June 16, 2012
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