UFO Conjecture(s)

Tuesday, August 07, 2012

Son(s) of Socorro

Although some think the April 1964 Socorro UFO sighting was a hoax or a misidentified lunar test probe, other sightings of an almost identical nature seem to show that Lonnie Zamora’s observation was of something truly alien.

We’ve noted here, several times, the La Madeira sighting of April 26, 1964, a few days after Lonnie Zamora’s iconic encounter.

Then there is the July 1st 1965 Valensole, France sighting which is virtually identical to the Zamora/Socorro sighting.

Depictions of that sighting:



And here are three web-links which you might peruse to see the similarities:




What does this imply?

That police officer Lonnie Zamora saw something that had the patina of an extraterrestrial presence, a presence that appeared in La Madera, New Mexico a few days later, and also a year later in France.

But then what happened? The cover-all garbed duo seen by Monsieur Masse in Valensole and Lonnie Zamora in Socorro seem to have disappeared from the UFO landscape.

Yes, there are other sightings and encounters somewhat similar after 1964-1965, but those sightings don’t have the vibrancy or equal template of the Socorro/Valensole encounters.

Why not? Where did the two UFO beings and their egg-shaped craft go?

We have tried not to discount Lonnie Zamora’s testimony although there are elements that could use clarification; e.g. the insignia he saw and drew and what exactly did he miss when he lost his glasses as his UFO departed?

But with the La Madera and Valensole sightings, corroboration is provided.

And while proof of an extraterrestrial visitation is not forthcoming, and the sightings lack definitive resolution, the three sightings noted indicate that something bizarre and alien took place – something that provides grist for the UFO ET crowd.

N.B. Why wasn’t Officer Zamora zapped by a paralyzing ray as Monsieur Masse was? David Rudiak would show that Officer Zamora was too far away from the craft; he (Zamora) didn’t present a threatening demeanor.

Also, the UFO “beings” seem to have become more brazen in the year between the Zamora sighting and the Masse encounter. Because they had become inured to human intervention?



  • We do not know if the assumed individuals were the same individuals in both events, that is assuming they are individuals in the human biological sense, but we do have striking similarities. The question is, was the second event the result of a mold by the first?
    Was the observer in the second aware of the first, making the similarity of the second, a set piece staged by pick pocketing from the anticipation wrought by the knowledge of the first in the observer?
    We know that the images in all events bear one thing in common, they have in most cases nothing in common? Statistically, the possibility of cross influences between observers would be rare resulting in similar images. This might be a clue. Another possibility is they are the same event outside of a linear space frame ( time) and by our orientation they appear to be unconnected but provoking. Of course I think this sort of staged provocation is intentional, opportunistic that bears some resemblance to other documented PSI events. Further, I suspect these are sort of a invasion that is a evasion of itself. A series of masks without a face that are meant to be a environment for actors requiring a stage, actors who borrow a script.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Tuesday, August 07, 2012  

  • Bruce:

    You are flirting with Jose Caravaca's Distortion hypothesis.

    Monsieur Masse (the French case) didn't seem to be aware of the Socorro event, but could well have been.

    Your idea of the encounters being "outside a linear time frame" is intriguing.

    And my post, preceding this one, might allow that Socorro created an entangled sighting -- one year later, in France.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, August 07, 2012  

  • I have gone somewhat beyond Jose's distortion into the causes and nature of staged events. I nearly dropped the entire subject due to the truly entangled nature of this continuing phenomenon. I devoted a post to taking John Keel's exploratory platform into darker territory after realizing a sort of gestalt of how the pieces fit together. Our own rationality and critical thinking have been used parasitically and our involvement unwittingly or voluntarily with this feeds it. I suspect that we have been pick pocketed to create a stage or if you will, an abode for those who have none, who prefer this second hand life to annihilation. A sort of rebellion in the ranks of nature. Probably as host creatures, we are kept chasing our own vocabularies to sustain an opening that is perhaps opportunistic.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Tuesday, August 07, 2012  

  • Perhaps, Bruce, we can con Kandinsky and Jose into offering responses.

    The topic is fecund for conjecture.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, August 07, 2012  

  • Is there a detailed account of the La Madera, New Mexico sighting?

    By Blogger carddown, at Tuesday, August 07, 2012  

  • We presented the account, Carddown, earlier here.....not that long ago.

    You might check the archives for 2011 or 2012.

    And I think if you Google La Madera it should show up; add The UFO Iconoclasts and our recounting may appear.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, August 07, 2012  

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