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Monday, August 20, 2012
That's an interesting enough article, but surprising too. Essentially, an artist is encouraging his pareidolia and gets a long WSJ article? Still, I like the way she raises the folkloric underpinnings of how these bodies are represented. Mr Haas might approve of the new names for Mercury's craters - every one named after artists, writers and musicians.Rather than seeing parrots, elephants or mini-sasquatches, it's got to be LIFE the rest of us are waiting for. It's taken so long!For NASA, Mars remains the nearest place to go looking.
By Kandinsky, at Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Ever since 1965 when the the first Mariner flew past Mars we have been told that at last we would begin to find the truth about whether life exists, or existed, on Mars. This happened with later Mariners, the Vikings, Pathfinder, various failed 'landers',and in fact anything and everything that has been sent to Mars. Now we have it again with Curiosity.But still we don't get a definitive answer, and probably won't for decades yet. Remember all that brouhaha from NASA over that wormlike creature in a meteorite from Mars in 1996? (The meteorite was found in the Antarctic 12 years before). That particular debate has subsided but the general debate goes on and on. And yes, there are always those, like Hoagland and others, who see 'artificial constructs' on Mars. That Cydonia face is probably of the guy who built the Martian canals!
By cda, at Tuesday, August 21, 2012
I should add that the NASA reaction over that Mars meteorite gives the lie to any conspiracy ideas about ETs visiting earth (Roswell or anywhere else).We have one highly select/secret group desperately trying to keep the world from knowing about ET visits, while at the same time another official body desperate to plug the discovery of primitive life forms on another planet! Doesn't exactly make sense, does it?The (very) strange world of Ufologists again. But STF has an answer to this conundrum, you may be certain.
Fellows...NASA knows something, surely.The persistent search on Mars while eschewing moons of Jupiter and Saturn indicates, to me, that the Rocketship X-M scenario may be close to the reality.Why would NASA land in places on Mars that are barren when there are fecund places at the edge of the poles?NASA is trying to sneak up on life elements, without letting us know about it.RR
By RRRGroup, at Tuesday, August 21, 2012
The bigger mystery is why we've never returned to the Moon, the logical place from which to stage further space exploration instead of building the ISS. After all, we've already done it and have the expertise to return there.I have the sad feeling our entire space program is driven by contractor lobbyists with the goal of generating billions for their companies, not by any coherent space exploration plan. The more times we have to go back to Mars the more money the builders of these rockets and contraptions make. I suspect NASA is fine with that because this keeps a lot of its staff employed.This is the US of A. You'll never go wrong if you always follow the money.
By purrlgurrl, at Tuesday, August 21, 2012
"NASA is trying to sneak up on life elements, without letting us know about it."So you are another conspiracist, eh?Mars happens to be the nearest planet to earth with any chance of supporting life. That is why NASA is interested in it. The others are either too distant, or life is out of the question (e.g. Venus).
While PG's point about the money makes sense, her other point, CDA, about not returning to the moon also hits a nerve.Orbital satellites have been sent and are being sent to Titan, Io, and other moons which seem to be active, not dead like our moon or Mars.But Mars gave up a secret, I think, some time ago....it was either that capture of the Soviet orbiter or something spotted by one of our orbiters that we haven't been privy to.The suspicion rises from the persistence in going back to Mars and roving the terrain, over and over again.Why?RR
"The suspicion rises from the persistence in going back to Mars and roving the terrain, over and over again."Rich, how much ground had actually been covered before? I think that Curiosity is designed to increase coverage and provide more analytic capabilities than before.Concur with the others, Mars from an exploratory factor provides more bang for the bucks since it's closer. Moons of Saturn and Jupiter...years to reach. Still awaiting the fly by of the Pluto mission still years away.
By Tim Hebert, at Tuesday, August 21, 2012
I also think some of the persistence in returning to Mars is about prospecting for resources to exploit, not a search for life. If Mars gave up a secret, this is more likely the secret it revealed.And, I suspect NASA has already convinced itself (whether correctly or not) there's no life on Mars (or, at least, none that can get in our way). Any indications of past life hold no interest other than as evidence of deposits of valuable resources.
PG, you're always so sensible.Tim....a scientific sampling doesn't require a redo over and over again.NASA keeps re-sampling. Why?Keeps looking at the Mars horizon. Why?You guys are so prosaic.No sense of mystery. No sense of hidden agendas.No sense of "conspiracy" as CDA would call it.(I still think the Cydonia face was a face and later configurations were altered.)Have any of you seen the old movie, Rocketship X-M?RR
Rich, UFOs keep returning and apparently re-sampling (per a legion of witnesses) as we're now doing on Mars.Some make the case (e.g., Vallee) that since the alleged ETs keep sampling over and over, it's nonsense behavior because they should have had all the info they want/need eons ago. Yet, now we Earthlings appear headed down that same path in our own interplanetary explorations.Thoughts?
Yes, PG, the repetitive nature of the UFO landing explorations seem to be staged nonsense, or maybe are obsessional activity just like NASA's activity on Mars now, and was on the Moon in earlier years.NASA's may be explained, as you've cited, by contractor favoritism.Or it might be activity to find exotic minerals.Or it's a compulsive activity meant to offset previous failures to make the trips to Mars worthwhile.After all, that money and engineering effort may need justification of some kind, in the NASA psyche.Whatever it is, the recurring probes are redundant, which makes no rational sense to me, which allows conjecture that something is known that hasn't been shared with us.(I like to think that Mars once harbored a civilization. That X-M movie has affected me irrationally perhaps.)RR
I'd say Rocket Ship X-M is a major influence on your thinking on Mars and extraterrestrial life there. And, I suspect, Ray Bradbury ("The Martian Chronicles" with its lost civilization of golden coin-eyed Martians) has had a widespread influence on all our thinking about Mars whether or not we've actually read his book.A hundred years from now (if we make it that far), Bradbury likely will be widely acknowledged as one of the most influential authors of the 20th Century because of the societal impact of his work. Yes, mankind has dreamed of Mars for centuries, but Bradbury influenced the generations who turned landing on Mars from a dream to a reality. When the first human steps on Martian soil, a piece of that moment will be Bradbury's legacy.
And Burrough's John Carter of Mars.But, if anyone is interested, you can find Rocketship X-M on Hulu, free to watch.You'll see that it prefigured the Cydonia controversy, and provides some of us (ahem) with a mental residue that can't be removed easily.RR
This mission and others are an extension of the search for extraterrestrial life. In this case, past life. What has been gathered to date is compelling enough to suggest this was a possibility. The return to the moon was a low priority in terms of further manned flights. The issue is and was, long term effects of space travel on the physical health of the crew, hence the International Space Station..for long term habitation for this reason as well as systems testing. The geological record is what is of interest as well as a landing site whose qualities are known. This was a technically difficult enough exercise as it was. No one is going to take more risks than necessary. India is next up to land in 2013.
By Bruce Duensing, at Tuesday, August 21, 2012
I don't believe searching for ET life is necessarily the top item on NASA mission lists. Part of its raison d'etre continues to be the support of military and intelligence space-based operations (it still routinely conducts secret launches). Even our journey to the Moon was reasoned to be of the highest strategic importance because it was believed that whatever nation got there first could use it as a base to launch nuclear warheads with impunity.Nevertheless, I totally support continued space exploration. I'm just not kidding myself that it's all being done for the purposes of advancing human knowledge and searching for life elsewhere in the universe.
What does NASA know, about Mars, that we don't?Probably a good load of stuff... here are some...:1) Breathable Atmosphere?2) Ruins of Cities?3) Oceans?4) Maybe WE are the "martians" because we originally came from there a long long time ago? Probably due to some eco disaster?? (I have heard about this one a lot) It holds up very well. Loads of evidence points to it.And of course NASA totally LOVES Adobe Photoshop, When you look at their "doctored" photos.. Cranking up the red, and clone tooling over ruins or trees or oceans/Beaches etc!! They (NASA) have probably written a Photoshop plugin with the Photoshop SDK... specially for this purpose. Since they do these lies a lot. They think we are all stupid, but we are not. Some people, like me for e.g, Knows Photoshop, and how to REVERSE doctoring... I have found things in rover pics like I described above.Im not crapping... Im serious. I don't muck about when it comes to this stuff, its so important!Even with a decent 12" telescope, you can see something that looks very "EARTH-LIKE" even clouds sometimes.NASA... you DONT fool us. We are not 2 year olds.
By Simon Eskibel, at Wednesday, August 22, 2012
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