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Saturday, October 20, 2012

Three related UFO sightings: 1946, 1952, 1964 – then what?

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Jerry Clark (again), along with Lucius Farish, had a piece in the Fall 1974 issue of Saga’s UFO Report: The Ghost Rockets of 1946 [Page 24 ff.]


Within the article was a story by a notable Swedish industrialist, Gosta Carlsson.

Mr. Carlsson said that on an evening in May 1946, while out walking,  he “saw a light among the trees [which he thought, at first, was a fire started by someone]. “The light was coming from an open space in the forest a short distance away.”

When [he] reached the place, [he] saw “that in farthest end of the open ground there was a disc-shaped object with a cupola. The cupola seemed to be a cabin with oval windows. Above it there was a mast, almost like the periscope of a submarine. Beneath the disc there was a big oblong fin which stretched from the center to the edge of the underside. There were also two metal landing legs. A small ladder reached to the ground from a door beside the fin.

“The object was approximately 53 feet in diameter and 13 feet from top to bottom at the middle…
There were a lot of holes around the edge of the disc, like those of a turbine, and jet beams darted from the holes, which burned the grass when the object departed. [A] light came from the mast, [which] was about 17 feet in height…three antennae were suspended from its top. Lower down something like a lampshade was hanging. It was shining with a strange purple light which covered not only the whole object but also the ground a couple of feet beyond it. The light was flowing and pulsating from the ‘lampshade’ like water from a fountain. Where the light hit the ground I could see a sparkling effect.

“On the ground, beyond the area of the light, a man in white, closely fitting overalls was standing. He seemed to be some sort of guard. He raised his hand toward me: it was a gesture that could not be misunderstood, so I stopped…He was approximately as tall as I am…but he was thinner…

"There were others like him, but the strange thing was that nobody said a word…there were three men working at the window, and two more standing alongside. There were three women as well, and one more came out of the object later. On the far side there was another guard. In all I saw 11 persons.

“They all wore short black boots and gloves, a black belt around the waist, and a transparent helmet…They were all brown-colored, as if sunburned.

“….the guard had a black box on his chest…It looked like an old black camera. He turned it toward me and I thought he was going to take a picture of me, but nothing happened…

“It seemed as if the ‘cheese-dish cover’ of light stood like a wall between us…One of the women came out of the cabin with an object in her hand. She went to the edge of the wall of light and threw the object beyond the area of light….I heard her laugh.

(Carlsson later retrieved the object and in 1971 it was examined. It was composed of silicon and its shape had been changed by the witness….into a staff.)

Carlsson left the scene but returned later to see if he object was still there. He noticed a smell like “ozone following an electrical discharge.”

He had been gone about a half hour and returned “by a different route so that he could view the object from another angle, but before he had time to make a new approach, he suddenly observed a bright red light ascending into the air. The light was streaming out of the “turbine holes” of the craft, which had risen with a whining sound above the treetops. After reaching about 1,400 to 1,600 feet it slowed down…and “wobbled.” Then the red light grew rapidly brighter and turned purple just before the object flew away at a tremendous rate of speed.” [Page 27]

Six years later, as Antony Terry reported in The Mystery of Other Worlds Revealed [1952, Fawcett Publications, Greenwich, Connecticut] and Jose Caravaca outlined in a recent post at his blog with us, 48 year-old ex-Mayor Oskar Linke, with is daughter, saw a weird contraption – “like a 50-ft warming pan without a handle, and with a 10-ft conning tower” [that] took off with a crew of two from a forest clearing in the Soviet zone [of Germany]. [Page 142, TMOWR]


Linke and his daughter were traveling home on his motorcycle which, when a tire blew, Leaving the motorcyle by a tree, they approached what they thought was a young deer about 150 yards away.

What they really saw  were two human-like figures, clothed in a kind of shimmering metallic substance; the figures bending down as if studying something on the ground.

“Worming [his] way to within 30 feet of them [and] Peering over a small ridge. [he] noticed a large object….about 40 to 50 feet across….It looked like [a] huge oval warming pan.

“There were two rows of holes along the sides, about a foot and a half apart.

“Out of the metallic object rose a black cylindrical ‘conning tower,’ about ten feet high.”


When his daughter called out to him, the figures “rushed back to the object, clambered rapidly up the side of the ‘conning tower’ and disappeared inside.”

One of the figures “appeared to be carrying a lamp on his chest. The lamp flashed on and off regularly.”

“The outer edge of the ‘warming pan,’ in which the holes were sunk, now glowed.

“The color at first seemed green, then changed to red. At the same time I heard a slight hum. As the glow and sound increased, the ‘conning tower’ [retracted] into the center of the ‘warming pan,’ and the whole object then rose slowly.

From the swirling effect of the glowing ‘exhaust’ I got the impression that the whole object was spinning like a top.

“It seemed to be resting on the cylindrical piece which had sunk through the center of the object and was now protruding from the bottom and standing on the ground.

“The ‘warming pan,’ with its glowing outside ring of flame was now some feet off the earth.”

The object emitted a whistling sound as it rose in a “horizontal position” swerving toward a nearby village, where others saw it, thinking it was a comet. [Page 143]


Herr Linke thought the object was an advanced craft from Russia.

In April 1964, Socorro, New Mexico Police Officer Lonnie Zamora saw an egg-shaped object in an arroyo, which had descended with a loud roar, and a conical shaped bluish-orange flame.

Outside the craft, he espied two pieces of white coverall clothed images, about four feet in size, which ufologists have assumed to be figures dressed in coveralls.

When the craft rose into the air, it emitted a loud noise and a blue flame.

Ronald Story, in his Encyclopedia of Extraterrestrial Encounters [New American Library, 2001] on Page 557, tells that two witnesses to the Socorro sighting – Larry Kratzner and Pail Kies – saw the Socorro craft earlier than Officer Zamora, describing  a round saucer or egg-shaped object ascending vertically (from black smoke); the object had a row of four windows with a “red Z” on its side. “…the object leveled off and disappeared in the cloud of black smoke it was producing.”

The similarities between these sightings (among others in the time-frame) include the observation of “beings in white coveralls,” the colors of the (apparent) propulsion discharges during lift-off, and the physical description of the craft itself in the Carlsson and Linke sightings. not to mention the chest apparatus in those two accounts.

But what happened to such distinct sightings? They haven’t been replicated in our time, nor have they been explained by UFO researchers, except to indicate that the Socorro sighting was an ET visitation or hoax.

Pursuing these three events, now, is futile of course, and not amenable to a forensic denouement.

Such sightings provide marmoreal rigidity as far as UFO research goes, but still fascinate those of us with an interest in ufological footnotes…

Because the reality of UFOs lies in the lost details of such accounts.



  • One could take a parallel examination of human sociology in the context of the Cold War, The Civil Rights Movement and The Anti-Vietnam War movements, all of which were strikingly pronounced and focused attention, and then ask, what happened? Yet the Cold War is now a war on terrorism, the civil rights movement is now gay rights, the anti-vietnam movement is now anti-wall street.
    Attention is dictated perhaps by focus and the focus itself changes.
    The recent global statistical instrumentation of randomisation that picked up the moment of the ignition of the burning man ( focused attention) appears to indicate much like 9\11, the death of Diana ( similar results) that the old saw that attention and information are a form of energy that can reach peaks of coherence. Does this open a path in the environment and what comes through?
    Where was Bigfoot in this era? Is this another peaking of coherence while the other fades? Does a Bigfoot or a UFO exist if there no observers? I suspect these chimeric events were opportunistic, staged by pick pocketing consciousness, and was a like many another attempt, to plant a flag among the living. I know how very strange and deviant this is from the norm of theories, and I am following the trail of other environmental factors such as magnesium..a common mineral to both haunted locations and so called "UFO" events. It seems like a contest over attention which seems to drive the peaks and valleys of coherence.Similarities that are individuated seems to be a clue.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Monday, October 22, 2012  

  • For me, Bruce, the three events, and a few more in the time frame, are either observations of real, tangible artifacts and beings or they are a confluent (albeit separated by a few years) mental aberration.

    The problem with the mental construct is that each event left palpable residue.

    So the feeling, on my part, is that something tangible was seen, with entities that followed a pattern.

    The societal upheavals you deign as significant do not apply.

    The activity and sightings noted here are separate and apart from the cultural or political framework that you find important.

    For these UFO events, the social or cultural patina, as important as they may be to human activity or evolution, are meaningless and irrelevant.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, October 22, 2012  

  • I think you fell into a categorical trap as other anomalous events do leave palatable and observable residue in physical traces such as footprints, moved objects, skin irritations similar to burns while the actors remain intangible much like these extraterrestrials. Context to my mind, cannot be separated from what is observed as an editing feature for descriptive purposes. The menu is not the meal.
    The unique feature you have done an end run around in your thinking in dualistic terms, is that this is beyond simply a question of the mind versus the body of materiality, what makes it unique is that it bridges these sensory divides by ignoring your categories as to the division between inside and outside. A unique chief feature, it's a round peg to our square holes.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Monday, October 22, 2012  

  • Bruce,

    I know you take a Platonic stance about these things: they are ensconced in deeper realities and congruent elements.

    I merely look at the observations and see them for what they are. The observers are Cartesian. What they see is what was (or is).

    There are hallucinations and coupled hallucinations, but in the Linke and Zamora cases, surely not, and since the Carlsson event mimics those, I'm guessing his observation isn't hallucinatory either.

    (And, no, I don't fall in to some errant logic or thought processes, as much as some would like to think I do.)


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, October 22, 2012  

  • BTW..
    How do you explain that sober sincere individuals inhabitants of a singular home separated by occupancy, decades apart, unknown to each other report the same detailed descriptions of the same appearance of a human figure? Does this not sound very similar to your essay? What does this indicate?
    If I said well, it's either a mental aberration or real individuals being seen playing hide and seek, would I be using the right ontology?

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Monday, October 22, 2012  

  • Ghosts are another matter, Bruce; apples and oranges.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, October 22, 2012  

  • My issue is that I suspect they are not except in your personal categorization of them, both of which grow on branches of trees, are edible, require sunlight, water and air as well as soil.
    Cartesian observers will experience their anticipations as anticipated by those rules. It depends on who is looking. The chef in his mind has a recipe, he gathers the material ingredients, goes to the kitchen and prepares them as envisioned. The issue with this is he wants a cake and ends up with a roast beef that looks like cake.
    Something has superimposed itself, and it's neither the cartesian roast beef or the cake thats at fault. It's a transcendence of categorical associations we take as the rules of semiotics.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Monday, October 22, 2012  

  • I can accept an intrusive agent, not unlike that hypothesized by Jose Caravaca, but because there are intervening geographies and times in these particular sightings, one would have to posit an agent something like God to account for the similar accoutrements of the observations.

    I prefer, again, a simpler approach: the men saw what they saw and because their observations reek of similarity, their observations are as they stated, and as real as one can accept for this existence.

    You, Bruce, seem to subscribe to other worldly manifestations, induced bv electromagnetics or agents with nefarious essences, as Madame Blavatsky suggested.

    I'm taking a more practical stance, down-to-earth stance.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, October 22, 2012  

  • Whether it is God's mirror or a piece of undigested beef or both, as I suspect, I would be the last to really know in my bewildered state. It might have something to do with dreaming I am awake, until I trip over a dog bone. Intersubjectivity, pre reflective organisation of experience or just a good sandwich will do at this point.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Monday, October 22, 2012  

  • Bruce,

    You take a quasi-mystical view, I think.

    Me? I take a Big Mac view.


    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Monday, October 22, 2012  

  • I think what's needed now is a realisation that perceptual anomalies are a much broader bandwidth of experiential observation beyond how we characterise them by type, which is largely by local orientation, meaning that one type is seen here, another there. One appears to be this, another that. Ships, cars, dead human beings, spaceships, odd extraterrestrials, cryptozoological ghosts all have common general and shared characteristics. Yet this is completely bypassed because there is belief in this or that. Sort of a unfounded faith in all as distinct genera. Distinct material by strictly appearance sake or locality. I don't think this is mystical. Do we focus on differentiation between types or do they share identifiable common characteristics? UFologists have tied themselves into knots placing their carts before the horses, without questioning the basis of their critical thinking. They may be all donkeys as far as we know. This has what has killed the subject. Somehow, all this falls into either undigested beef ( neurological) or material or benign dismissal because the former enforces the latter. Feedback.
    The silliness of all this territorial "certainty" has absolutely failed because in reality, we have absolutely no idea what we are dealing with. Why? Because we cannot observe ourselves from without placing these silly post it notes as if they were guideposts as if UFO does not suggest this or that, infer..we are trapped by our descriptors. It makes for circular whirlygigs that are entirely self referential. Ugh..mystical? I think all of UFology is mystical as it is practiced now.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Tuesday, October 23, 2012  

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