UFO Conjecture(s)

Tuesday, November 27, 2012

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Jose Antonio Caravaca reminds us that some past UFO stories are close encounters, something that is rare today.

Click HERE to read a 1970 sighting that smacks, to us, of an hallucination, except for tangible impressions in the ground at the alleged landing site.

Is this account a typical Distortion event -- Senor Caravaca's theory of UFO sightings? Or is it a neuro-psychotic episode? (But what about those depressions in the soil?)

RR

12 Comments:

  • "...took a walk through the woods, in the afternoon, to find mushrooms."
    A little inadvertent humor in this, found by this aging post hippie. There is not much meat on the bone there. However, Jose might consider trying to track him down or these other alleged witnesses for an interview. The wearying issue from this and similar ones recounted by others endlessly is a lack of present day follow up The sort of loose free floating nature of these tales, with little or no background information to anchor them.
    I could type "Bob The Builder went to look for a brick and found a humanoid reptile standing in the doorway of a flying saucer holding one in his hand."
    This is not to criticism Jose, or maybe I have become too understandably cynical, but whats the point of repeating this sort of anecdotal gobbledygook? It escapes me..maybe I am thick as a brick..

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Tuesday, November 27, 2012  

  • Jose, Bruce, sees this account as one more example of his Distortion theory.

    I see it as an hallucinatory event, despite the alleged impressions in the soil.

    That's all there is to the tale, as you note.

    There is no there there.

    While such anecdotal stories are without substance, there could be a Sherlockian clue inside the witness accounts, which could be discerned by an accumulation of facets which recur.

    Jose cites similar details, which indicates a pattern of a kind.

    In Sacks' book "Hallucinations," he (Sacks) provides those recurring elements in his litany of neurological glitches.

    But such citations, Jose's and Sack's, don't take us anywhere near a "causa essentia" nor near to a purposeful reason for such machinations, whether mental or induced by an external agent, as Jose proposes.

    The mind malfunctions. Jose's external agent causes such scenarios as he recounts, like the one here.

    But what has either one to do with life and our reason for being?

    The mental flaws show that human beings are constructed flimsily.

    Jose's active agent is fictive or just insanely malicious.

    Neither helps us cope with a lousy, meaningless existence, as Sartre, Wittgenstein, Jaspers, Camus, et al. told us.

    So if there is an elusive clue or meaning in such accounts, it remains obscure and unhelpful.

    Thus, you are right -- "what's the point of repeating this sort of anecdotal gobbledygook?"

    I have no answer, except to say that it fills up blog space and excites the few who like stories that are queer and meaningless.

    The genre was curdled by Kafka, Poe, and others.

    And we continue it....senselessly.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Tuesday, November 27, 2012  

  • I think as you do, that there is the existential question buried in the tales that wag the dog. Some of these remind me of something that oozed out of the mind of Kafka. Illustrations of the lack of mindfulness in the whole. An incoherence presented to the Land Surveyor.
    I agree that there is a string that bundles this and it's plucked by the observer that it is reasonably certain he or she is out of their element, which maybe we could call mindfulness into a dream of associations where the inside is portrayed as a external event. A sleight of hand. The question becomes is this sentient or of a cellular intelligence if the root cause is external? What I have read and have experienced is that this is not sentience gone mad or even sentience. To call it external and sentient opens the doorway we have been lodged in by projection bias, anthropomorphism and a sublimated desire toward Gods, Super Creatures and the demons that are modeled on the weak links in our own psychology of territorial prerogatives which encompass deception, manipulation and and yes, distortion. To call it sentient is like holding a mirror to our own lunacies. If you want to project sentience, it is a equivalence of the intelligent development observed in a four year old's emotional quotient. And the point is it has no point despite our attempts to tag it with purpose. Yet there it is inside of us that scripted the bloody thing. We pass through environments with external hallucinations that are simulated vividly in dream cycles and this seems to have taken this state to a officially unrecognized but cogent variation of simulation that makes us chase our own shadows. I suspect these are, as you say neurological quirks and they have not been studied outside of those including myself who are incapable of untangling themselves from the lure of a superior humanoid intelligence that is so embedded in our software, we have a real challenge to dislodge it. If there should be a God comparatively, we cannot evade the fact that would be a incommensurable set of realities that would both encompass and surpass rational thought. However you could take all this as a metaphor.

    By Blogger Bruce Duensing, at Wednesday, November 28, 2012  

  • Bruce:

    I'm going to address your points in a posting upcoming, as there is, to my mind, a philosophic construct that provides a hypothetical explanation for everything we're dealing with.

    My posting stems from a Frank Stalter note at Facebook (from Space.com) about the Universe mimicking a Brain.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, November 28, 2012  

  • To say that it "smacks of an hallucination.." except for the impressions left in the ground is like saying that lead could be gold except for the fact that they have different atomic structures! Hallucinations, if that's what this episode actually is cannot, by definition, leave holes in the ground. I am willing to acknowledge that there may well be hallucinatory effects associated with actually seeing real UFOs. But UFOs that leave holes in the ground (no hoax, presumably)must be more than mere hallucinations.

    By Blogger Dominick, at Wednesday, November 28, 2012  

  • Dominick:

    If you'd get Oliver Sacks book, you will find that persons having hallucinations often supplement their visions with actions that support what they think they've seen.

    Did Jose's witness put dents in the ground?

    Do UFO abductees mar their bodies to support their alleged abductions?

    Such actions are not only plausible, but likely, as the neurological literature indicates.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, November 28, 2012  

  • I am willing to grant that what you suggest is possible. A witness to a strange event, or some imagined hallucination, could do the self-reinforcing things that you suggest. Perhaps we can even speculate that this sort of rare event may have happened, say, 30 or 40 times over the last 60 years. Rare, extremely rare, but not impossible. On the other hand, I find it just as feasible that there are, perhaps 30 or 40 instances in the last 60 years or so of individuals that have actually seen a REAL physical UFO up close and that it, not them, left some physical trace evidence behind. Actually this scenerio is far MORE feasible in my view when we add in the many thousand trace cases and radar reports from all over the world. Hallucination cases, presumably, have no such body of third-party support.

    By Blogger Dominick, at Wednesday, November 28, 2012  

  • We are not in disagreement Dominick.

    There are bona fide UFO and flying saucer reports and encounters surely.

    But they must be segregated from hallucinatory visions to get at the core of the mystery.

    But even when we have revealed what UFO sighting are authentic, what do we have?

    A chimera still.

    There has to be a methodology, besides accumulating data and anecdotes to unravel what UFOs are and have been.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, November 28, 2012  

  • It's a nice thought but I'm not sure at all that "there has to be methodology,,,to unravel what UFOs are..." I see no logical requirement for this, just wishful thinking perhaps. If 12th century man had discovered a computer chip, what methodology then, or even for 700 years, would have unraveled its meaning? On the other hand, I stay interested in data and anecdotes precisely because it may NOT take 700 years to make sense of UFO phenomena. The break-through could occur next week.

    By Blogger Dominick, at Wednesday, November 28, 2012  

  • And just what information or elements in UFO data or anecdotes will bring about the desired denouement you expect, Dominick?

    Wishful thinking isn't unique to my crowd it seems.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, November 28, 2012  

  • You ask what information or elements in UFO data might produce a breakthrough? I'll give you just one example. We get a physical trace case next week where the analysis, independently verified, shows "impossible" construction or combinations of elements or materials. Even better, the near landing and traces are filmed (accidently) by a CBS News crew and a ABC news crew at the same time. I assert that this would produce a breakthrough of sorts. It would not, of course, answer all of the questions! But notice that this could happen and that none of this requires any new methodology to solve the UFO mystery; our current methodology (logic and the scientific method) would do just fine. Do I expect this to happen as you suggest? Of course not but it could happen and I will stay interested because long-running mysteries like this are interesting (despite the crazies involved).

    By Blogger Dominick, at Wednesday, November 28, 2012  

  • While your scenario, Dominick, will not really explain UFOs or their modus, what you suggest is plausible.

    I, too, remain fixated on UFOs as the enigma intrigues.

    But I have UFOs in perspective I think, and haven't ruined my life or other lives by my personal obsession.

    However, a new method of study would be nice, as the past machinations by the UFO "notables" have been an abject failure.

    We hear that a metal remnant has come into the possession of some UFO associates, a remnant that may help your observational wish.

    Now all you need is that news crew with its cameras capturing your landed UFO.

    RR

    By Blogger RRRGroup, at Wednesday, November 28, 2012  

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